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Post-Match Thread: Charlton Athletic vs Reading | Saturday 21st October 2023 - 3pm KO

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  • aliwibble
    aliwibble Posts: 26,299
    Leuth said:
    Can we actually ban NabyWonderland from player marks? This is too much. I can't stand it 
    Trust me, if there was some way to ban certain users from specific threads only, we'd have done it AGES ago, and that'd be a long way down the list. :)
    While we're on the subject of the player marks though, @Redhenry and @wmcf123 I noticed you marked AMB somewhat lower than most other people. What was it about his performance that was causing you concern? I didn't see the game, and the TV highlights only showed a single involvement of his, which was a low save in front of the Covered End.
  • Danny Addick
    Danny Addick Posts: 3,931
    Once again I say…



    Gutted for Chucks. Even more gutted for us.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    edited October 2023
    Very good win, the last 35 minutes we were unstoppable, with TC’s introduction lifting us a level immediately after half time. Reading were kind of honest but the truth was they were lacking creativity and were ultimately a house of cards.
    If we can win against Lincoln on Tuesday then it will be a true consolidation of the current set up. Hope Chucks isn’t too bad.
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    In the last two home games, we have seen two excellent goals from outside the box from CBT and TC.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,450
    aliwibble said:
    Leuth said:
    Can we actually ban NabyWonderland from player marks? This is too much. I can't stand it 
    Trust me, if there was some way to ban certain users from specific threads only, we'd have done it AGES ago, and that'd be a long way down the list. :)
    While we're on the subject of the player marks though, @Redhenry and @wmcf123 I noticed you marked AMB somewhat lower than most other people. What was it about his performance that was causing you concern? I didn't see the game, and the TV highlights only showed a single involvement of his, which was a low save in front of the Covered End.
    AMB played well today.
  • RedArmySE7
    RedArmySE7 Posts: 5,407
    SantaClaus said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    TC and Assiimwe have to start from now on.
    They're not doing badly finishing games.
     
    Exactly this, having a strong bench is key and these boys have been changing games consistently off the bench, no reason to change it after a 4-0 win.
  • limeygent
    limeygent Posts: 3,217
    SantaClaus said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    TC and Assiimwe have to start from now on.
    They're not doing badly finishing games.
     
    I don't think I'd change a thing.
  • Major
    Major Posts: 1,027
    Fanny Fanackapan said:
    A few words from a Happy Fanny after watching our boys with the egg shaped ball fall at the final hurdle following a brave , committed performance against the Saffers. 

    Our first match for a couple of weeks & what a sweet return Home ! 

    Apart from the almost perfect 2nd half , the 4 ( yes FOUR! ) superb goals, the clean sheet & the pride at seeing every one of our lads being clapped off at the final whistle and EARNING IT, my favourite takeaway from today came from our pocket rocket.

    The sheer exuberance shown by our Alfie when he scored and when he leapt out of the tunnel , was really special & warmed my heart that a player who loved & was loved by the Cheltenham faithful just a few months ago, could show such utter, unbridled joy at playing his part in this win. Such a hard working guy who never seems to give up & I'd think his selfless work rate is respected by his team mates. I appreciate a player who wears his heart on his sleeve & who clearly shares the highs & lows with those who pay to come & watch his team. 

    So, onwards to Lincoln, on "a high" with hopes of extending the current run of success before the Trotters come to town next Saturday. Confidence must be growing in the squad although I'd think the gaffer will ensure they keep their feet well & truly on the ground. And, in addition, something on a more personal level is growing too......

    The Tingle is definitely back ! 
    And long may it continue, Fanny!  :)
  • CAFCOlly
    CAFCOlly Posts: 523
    edited October 2023
    Off_it said:
    CAFCOlly said:
    Great performance and so far it’s humble pie time for me regarding Appleton. Need to get Dobson and CBT tied up to new deals ASAP - big, big test for the new ownership. 

    I’m surprised not more has been said about Chuks. At this stage, starting the guy is negligence and if he’s out for a substantial amount of time then that falls on Appleton. Infuriating.
    "Negligence"?

    For a football manager to play a player who has been declared fit?

    The definition in your dictionary must differ from those in a normal English dictionary.
    Negligence: "failure to give enough care or attention to someone or something that you are responsible for".

    Look, the use of the word 'negligence' may be a tad extreme but in my view Appleton starting Chuks doesn't 'give enough care or attention'  to his extraordinary history of injuries, even if he was declared fit.
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  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,640
    Leuth said:
    Callumcafc said:
    He's actually great isn't he? What a smart and pleasant bloke 
    Same thing was said about Dean Holden.
  • Major
    Major Posts: 1,027
    edited October 2023
    Impossible to know the circumstances involved in the decision making.
    That includes Chucks input.
    Either way, to accuse Appleton of negligence seems a bit over the top.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,640
    Dazzler21 said:
    Only 3 teams above us have played the same amount of games. If we win both those games we're on 24 points and that's all we can hope for. I don't care other teams do this early on, so long as we keep pace for 2ppg. 

    We're currently on target for 69 points. That will take us to about 1.71 PPG or 78 PTS.
    One of our games in hand is against Derby, which we play on Feb 27th next year. The table will look a lot different by then & teams around us might have games in hand on us. 

    Get the Wigan match out of the way & by then we would have played 3 more matches. Let's see where we are on 1st Nov shall we

  • Major
    Major Posts: 1,027
    golfaddick said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Only 3 teams above us have played the same amount of games. If we win both those games we're on 24 points and that's all we can hope for. I don't care other teams do this early on, so long as we keep pace for 2ppg. 

    We're currently on target for 69 points. That will take us to about 1.71 PPG or 78 PTS.
    One of our games in hand is against Derby, which we play on Feb 27th next year. The table will look a lot different by then & teams around us might have games in hand on us. 

    Get the Wigan match out of the way & by then we would have played 3 more matches. Let's see where we are on 1st Nov shall we

    As long as we don't play Wigan on a Sunday.
    My custard might get cold.
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,118
    golfaddick said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Only 3 teams above us have played the same amount of games. If we win both those games we're on 24 points and that's all we can hope for. I don't care other teams do this early on, so long as we keep pace for 2ppg. 

    We're currently on target for 69 points. That will take us to about 1.71 PPG or 78 PTS.
    One of our games in hand is against Derby, which we play on Feb 27th next year. The table will look a lot different by then & teams around us might have games in hand on us. 

    Get the Wigan match out of the way & by then we would have played 3 more matches. Let's see where we are on 1st Nov shall we

    Which will be my first game since 2014. So excited.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,783
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,179
    golfaddick said:
    Leuth said:
    Callumcafc said:
    He's actually great isn't he? What a smart and pleasant bloke 
    Same thing was said about Dean Holden.
    Agree it is still too early to declare Appleton the saviour. We’re still in new manager bounce territory and the true test of a manager is how the handle a bad run or loss of form. Can they arrest a slump or does the ship just slowly keep on sinking? It’s what gave Curbs such longevity because he could consistently “stop the rot”. 

    What I will say for Appleton though, if we’re comparing him to Holden, is that he is much more convincing when talking about tactics and how individual players can improve. Holden talked very well about personality and the emotional side of the game but he never convinced that he could regularly set up a side in a way that might out think and opposing manager. 
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,827
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    aliwibble said:
    Leuth said:
    Can we actually ban NabyWonderland from player marks? This is too much. I can't stand it 
    Trust me, if there was some way to ban certain users from specific threads only, we'd have done it AGES ago, and that'd be a long way down the list. :)
    While we're on the subject of the player marks though, @Redhenry and @wmcf123 I noticed you marked AMB somewhat lower than most other people. What was it about his performance that was causing you concern? I didn't see the game, and the TV highlights only showed a single involvement of his, which was a low save in front of the Covered End.
    AMB played well today.
    I don’t like the coming for crosses and getting nowhere near it approach.  He was fine on his line . 
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,155
    Highlights of before the second half 
    the return of the pigeons, like Reading , in good numbers too
    and the old fella who hit the cross bar none in 20+ attempts and 2 now in 4 , brilliant to see , well done him .
    the best one though was bumping in to Morts before kick off , calling him god and telling him like a small child he was my favourite ever playing and shaking his hand , I’ve not washed it since .

    second half after the initial continuation of nothing football was a complete joy to behold and  worth the wanky 1hr 40 min drive there .
    TC’s pure strike was beautiful to say the least and CBT just gets better and better with selfless play , broken for us and Chuks, good to see Hector looking on it throughout 

    most of its been said so some alternatives , please can we not set Dobbo up for a shot from a free kick , he’s had his one miracle strike this season .
    Reading support was amazing considering how utterly shit they are is that 7 out of 7 losses now for them away from home .
    Who was the baby celebration for that Alfie did ?

    Let’s get 4 points from these next two games minimum and let’s see how well we can perform against Bolton and then we can start firing up the promotion bandwagon , hopefully 
  • CL_Phantom
    CL_Phantom Posts: 5,519
    Great result and performance in the end, have learned to put games out of sight when we know we can. 

    First half really was that bad, an utter dull fest with no quality and a real lack of drive, Reading had the better chances and didn't look as bad as their stats had shown, the forward coach that molded Simon church's career lives on. 

    Second half, and the first 10 were much of the same with the Reading  kids looking to grab a much needed away win, but, then, we scored. After the Aneke opener it was one way traffic with 3 more well worked goals from us.

    Changing the right side for a second half shake up is looking like an Appleton tactic, with introducing both Asiimwe and TC together. 

    Shout-out to their Abbey, the young centre back, excellent show from him and will most definitely be moving up the food chain in January. TBF to Reading the youngsters gave a good game of it especially considering their age, inexperience and general issues surrounding the club.

    But, it's 4 goals and 3 points to us and we continue looking up!
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  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,471
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpndBRYnBxg
  • Raith_C_Chattonell
    Raith_C_Chattonell Posts: 5,684
    Not just Reading players suffering from a lack of confidence it seems.  From https://hobnob.royals.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=190826

    A visit to Charlton next to provide the comedy this weekend. EIGHTEEN games since the last away win and still sporting one of the last remaining 100% records left in the league of ZERO points on the road this season and only TWO to show from the last eighteen league games that the club have turned up for, so it'll soon be one year without an away win on the league.

    I'd feel sorry for them, but still too busy keeping an eye on our own recovery.
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,235
    Flat first half which continued into the 2nd stanza until Aneke’s goal. Excellent going forward after that and punished a Reading side whose confidence flooded out of their bones.

    Plenty of goals at home, and now need to show that away from home starting at Lincoln

    7 unbeaten now in the league since Holden’s departure 
  • addick_for_life
    addick_for_life Posts: 251
    Readings number 32 is one of the best centre half’s I have seen at the Valley over the last few years and he is only 20 - got to be worth a bid by us - especially if Reading look like they are going down 
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,233
    Firstly, well done the Covered End upper for calling out the terrorist supporter who shouted out during the minutes silence. They was another such moron in the East Stand.

    On to the game.

    Two teams playing poorly in the first half.  

    Reading happy to sit deep and rely on set pieces which nearly worked for them.  

    Our clean sheet was welcome but we still looked vulnerable at corners.  Maybe expecting the opposition to have zero chances is unrealistic but if Reading forwards could finish they might not be 2nd bottom. Then again their problems are deeper than just scoring goals 

    Once Aneke scored it just felt the extra space would mean more chances for us and so it was.

    Game over at 2 - 0 but how nice to cruise to 3 then 4 - 0 rather than be biting our nails at 2 - 1 as traditionally it has been for many years.

    So much quality and attacking options from the bench, less so in defence but Hector is improving (only got rolled once to allow a good chance which was fluffed) and won a lot in the air, Jones solid, Thomas too. AMB made one good early save low down but had little else to test him bar some high crosses he lost.  He did make some strong punched clearances and seems more willing to come for the ball.

    Four strikers scored. Feel sorry for Tedic as not a winger but Campbell (did I mention I and friends sponsor his shirt? Maybe CL could revive its shirt sponsorships) is the real deal and brings pace, passing and now power finishing.

    Interesting that C Campbell and Abankwah are not featuring. I wonder if their loans can be cancelled by us in January and if so will they be? 

    Same question regarding Tadic but I guess that will depend on Aneke's fitness and Kanu.  Cherry on the cake to hear as we left the ground that he'd scored four.

    But tough run of games coming up and those  players currently on the fringes could be vital with the Saturday/Tuesday schedule.

    Now at better than two points per game under Appleton and top half of the table, albeit on goal difference. We're not in the play-offs but they are now at least in sight.

    LLLBH
  • redbuttle
    redbuttle Posts: 1,983
    Danny Addick said:
    Once again I say…



    Gutted for Chucks. Even more gutted for us.
    Sorry for Chuks and just a little comment to the idiots behind us moaning about him always being injured. Just remember. If he didn't have injury problems he wouldn't be playing for us.
  • agim
    agim Posts: 1,135
    How nice is it going into a game knowing we're going to score goals? I've no doubt we will concede a few along the way but MA has turned us into a exciting attacking team. 

    CBT is in the form of his career, May is the natural goalscorer we've been missing since Taylor and Aneke is championship quality if it wasn't for his injuries. Tupac needs a run in the team after yesterday's cameo and Leaburn needs to start ahead of Aneke purely because of fitness concerns. 

    Dobbo and Watson hold the team together in the middle of the park and I was pleasantly surprised to see Fraser doing the dirty work I didn't think he was capable of when he came on

    I still think Ness should be in the team ahead of Hector but that's personal preference and I can see why he's playing Thomas at left back because CBT doesn't defend we need someone solid there. 

    A shout out to Reading's number 32 the centre back. Strong, fast, great in the challenge and most importantly left footed. He won't be playing in this league for long
  • redbuttle
    redbuttle Posts: 1,983
    PragueAddick said:
    I’m really disappointed by the criticism here of MA re both Chuks and Tedic. Maybe I’m influenced by Curbs and Brownie, but they do have some advantages over the critics on here…

    Players need and want to play. Strikers need to score goals. There were a few people on here in recent months suggesting Chuks was an exception. I would say that his performance and demeanour since he reappeared shows that was a load of bollocks. He also looked better physically balanced than when he tried to return a year ago. But surely the aim is to get a player to the point where he believes he can do the full 90, otherwise he will become a passenger in his own head. At some point, if it all goes well when he comes on second half, you have to start him. Especially when he needs a goal to get that other monkey off his back.

    Then there’s Tedic. People are forgetting that they tried to get him in earlier for Holden, when we had the unsustainable situation of only having Alfie May and Dan Kanu. City for whatever reason held off. Then we got him, and in a situation no one dared hope for, both Miles and Chuks got themselves back into contention. In the meantime Tedic shows an excellent work ethic and an intelligence that shows his football pedigree. TC, people forget, had also been injured, and MA rightly worries about the team being too young. It seems to me that in those circs it’s understandable what he has tried with Tedic and Tedic deserves some credit for giving it his best shot. It’s nothing to do with City demanding this and that although they wont be impressed if he never gets more than 10 mins at the end of a game. MA knows thst he will need him. Alfie will pick up another ludicrous yellow card for “looking at the ref in a funny way” or some such new nonsense, Chuks will be out for a few weeks, and some other no-mark is going to try and break Miles leg. Tedic will get his chance, and MA needs him match-sharp and feeling psrt of the squad. Tedic is a good footballer with a good attitude. Give both him and MA a break, will ya?
    Excellent post. Spot on.
  • Sillybilly
    Sillybilly Posts: 9,236
    Excruciating first half.  Highlight was my old golfing buddy Hoppo winning the crossbar challenge. Lovely guy. Don’t tell him that we were betting on him landing on his arse will you.  Well done buddy. I know you’ll read this!  

    Some great stuff in the second half albeit in the face of a complete collapse by Reading. On this showing our demise over the last 15 years could be a blip compared to their potential tumble down the leagues. Some obvious conclusions:

    1.  Appleton has got us organised but he needs to start with his best side and improve the first half showings.

    2.  Tedic is not a winger. 

    3.  Chuks is an impact sub not a starter and will break regularly. Treat accordingly. Leaving the injury aside he was rubbish yesterday apart from the goal (which I could have finished from there on one leg). As a sub he is brilliant. Feel for him. 

    4.  The player formerly known as Lackend-Product is turning into a proper weapon. I worry for us if he’s injured as so much of our attacking play depends on him. although young TC is bubbling nicely  as an alternative attacking outlet. 

    5.  Can someone please get on to Castore and get gorgeous George a pair of shorter shorts as this continuously hitching his sorts up his thighs is getting silly (otherwise keep doing what you’re doing mate). 

    6.  I’m not a fan of either of our keepers but AMB kept us in it for a while. All saves we’d expect him to make but he made them. 

    7.  The side that pissed this league a decade ago had two excellent full backs who could both maraud forward. This side doesn’t. TT tried hard yesterday although his distribution was terrible. TW showed some improvement but, given his start, it was hard not to. Young Nathan shows a lot of promise but I think this is a weakness that will cost us this season. 

    Onwards and upwards though. It’s beginning to feel like a group we can really get behind. 

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