Having watched the 'penalty' incident again, does anyone else think that after his initial balls up,Walker pulled a bit of a flanker on the ref? If you watch it, after he kicks Lisbie in the bojangles,he steps back into the area,where Lisbie was laying,therefore giving the officials the impression the whole thing occurred inside the box =The ref gives a pen and books him rather than a red and a free kick for outside. Maybe i'm giving him too much credit🤷♂️
Think you're crediting Walker with too much brains. Ihalf expected him to go heehaw, heehaw when the ref walked up to him
Thought i probably was😂
Danny Murphy made a very simular point at half time redvalleyeast. Walker may have walked back enough for the ref to be persuaded the kick likely occurred in the box.
Having watched the 'penalty' incident again, does anyone else think that after his initial balls up,Walker pulled a bit of a flanker on the ref? If you watch it, after he kicks Lisbie in the bojangles,he steps back into the area,where Lisbie was laying,therefore giving the officials the impression the whole thing occurred inside the box =The ref gives a pen and books him rather than a red and a free kick for outside. Maybe i'm giving him too much credit🤷♂️
Whatever the decision, he was playing the ball...🤔
Wonder if Charlton will go in for Lisbie. Looks a talent, and surely he would jump at the chance?
I am amazed at how many people seem to be seriously thinking that he would be any use at our level.
Wasn't he with Watford as a youth though?
There's certainly some skill there, and he might (I think he would) be worth a trial to see what he's capable of.
He's been on the books of two academies and neither saw enough from him to keep him on. No club above the 8th tier did either.
If it wasn't for his surname I doubt anyone would have even clocked who it was that scored their penalty.
We've got enough of our own talent to nurture.
Precisely. If we (somehow) end up needing a prodigious teenage striker to step up to the mark, we already have one - Kanu. Who has been scoring at a much higher level than Lisbie Jr.
He's still young and has potential to develop surely. So far he's in the Kevin Lisbie mould and that's got him to this point. Will need to see more of him and I'm sure plenty more clubs will take a further look.
Others who stood out I think are: Ekpiteta (in the first game) Ibrahiym (notably strong in the challenge against Anderson for the goal at the Valley) Sonny Black (ex CPFC and 27 yrs old) Arthur Lee, captain, tattooed centre back- again better game at the Valley than on Wednesday night.
Wonder if Charlton will go in for Lisbie. Looks a talent, and surely he would jump at the chance?
I am amazed at how many people seem to be seriously thinking that he would be any use at our level.
Wasn't he with Watford as a youth though?
There's certainly some skill there, and he might (I think he would) be worth a trial to see what he's capable of.
He's been on the books of two academies and neither saw enough from him to keep him on. No club above the 8th tier did either.
If it wasn't for his surname I doubt anyone would have even clocked who it was that scored their penalty.
We've got enough of our own talent to nurture.
Precisely. If we (somehow) end up needing a prodigious teenage striker to step up to the mark, we already have one - Kanu. Who has been scoring at a much higher level than Lisbie Jr.
He's still young and has potential to develop surely. So far he's in the Kevin Lisbie mould and that's got him to this point. Will need to see more of him and I'm sure plenty more clubs will take a further look.
Others who stood out I think are: Ekpiteta (in the first game) Ibrahiym (notably strong in the challenge against Anderson for the goal at the Valley) Sonny Black (ex CPFC and 27 yrs old) Arthur Lee, captain, tattooed centre back- again better game at the Valley than on Wednesday night.
No. We don't. We really truly don't. He's done pretty well at a club that is way, way below our level. We don't NEED a young striker with "potential" - we already have Kanu looking good and from Appleton's comments Mbick seems to be well thought of too.
Both of which are the same age (or younger) and have probably better potential besides, given that academies have progressed both instead of letting them go, as Lisbie jr was.
If he wasn't the son of Kevin no-one would have been entertaining any concept of signing him.
I think the players were told not to over celebrate which is respectful. I wouldn't read anything more into it than that. In terms of Lisbie, he is scoring goals but in Tier 8. His next move has to be National League and get attention from there.
I think the players were told not to over celebrate which is respectful. I wouldn't read anything more into it than that. In terms of Lisbie, he is scoring goals but in Tier 8. His next move has to be National League and get attention from there.
He's already played @ National League South level with Welling.
Although wonder if he dropped down further because of his links to Cray Valley
That and someone suggested they're paying big wages for that level
Wonder if Charlton will go in for Lisbie. Looks a talent, and surely he would jump at the chance?
I am amazed at how many people seem to be seriously thinking that he would be any use at our level.
Wasn't he with Watford as a youth though?
There's certainly some skill there, and he might (I think he would) be worth a trial to see what he's capable of.
He's been on the books of two academies and neither saw enough from him to keep him on. No club above the 8th tier did either.
If it wasn't for his surname I doubt anyone would have even clocked who it was that scored their penalty.
We've got enough of our own talent to nurture.
Precisely. If we (somehow) end up needing a prodigious teenage striker to step up to the mark, we already have one - Kanu. Who has been scoring at a much higher level than Lisbie Jr.
I was thinking more that he might be worth looking at, because, in the first game in particular, he looked very useful out wide. I'm not saying sign, I'm just suggesting that a trial wouldn't hurt.
Ideally, I want our own to come through in preference to bringing any players in from elsewhere.
Wonder if Charlton will go in for Lisbie. Looks a talent, and surely he would jump at the chance?
I am amazed at how many people seem to be seriously thinking that he would be any use at our level.
Wasn't he with Watford as a youth though?
There's certainly some skill there, and he might (I think he would) be worth a trial to see what he's capable of.
He's been on the books of two academies and neither saw enough from him to keep him on. No club above the 8th tier did either.
If it wasn't for his surname I doubt anyone would have even clocked who it was that scored their penalty.
We've got enough of our own talent to nurture.
Precisely. If we (somehow) end up needing a prodigious teenage striker to step up to the mark, we already have one - Kanu. Who has been scoring at a much higher level than Lisbie Jr.
He's still young and has potential to develop surely. So far he's in the Kevin Lisbie mould and that's got him to this point. Will need to see more of him and I'm sure plenty more clubs will take a further look.
Others who stood out I think are: Ekpiteta (in the first game) Ibrahiym (notably strong in the challenge against Anderson for the goal at the Valley) Sonny Black (ex CPFC and 27 yrs old) Arthur Lee, captain, tattooed centre back- again better game at the Valley than on Wednesday night.
No. We don't. We really truly don't. He's done pretty well at a club that is way, way below our level. We don't NEED a young striker with "potential" - we already have Kanu looking good and from Appleton's comments Mbick seems to be well thought of too.
Both of which are the same age (or younger) and have probably better potential besides, given that academies have progressed both instead of letting them go, as Lisbie jr was.
If he wasn't the son of Kevin no-one would have been entertaining any concept of signing him.
For myself i look forward to another look at him. You can think and do as you wish of course newbie, as will Charlton i'm sure.
Wonder if Charlton will go in for Lisbie. Looks a talent, and surely he would jump at the chance?
I am amazed at how many people seem to be seriously thinking that he would be any use at our level.
Wasn't he with Watford as a youth though?
There's certainly some skill there, and he might (I think he would) be worth a trial to see what he's capable of.
He's been on the books of two academies and neither saw enough from him to keep him on. No club above the 8th tier did either.
If it wasn't for his surname I doubt anyone would have even clocked who it was that scored their penalty.
We've got enough of our own talent to nurture.
Precisely. If we (somehow) end up needing a prodigious teenage striker to step up to the mark, we already have one - Kanu. Who has been scoring at a much higher level than Lisbie Jr.
I was thinking more that he might be worth looking at, because, in the first game in particular, he looked very useful out wide. I'm not saying sign, I'm just suggesting that a trial wouldn't hurt.
Ideally, I want our own to come through in preference to bringing any players in from elsewhere.
Yes he looked useful... BUT in one game. The biggest game he's played in probably ever and quite probably the biggest he ever will.
But if we're giving out trials, let's give them to players who look useful at THIS level, not the Isthmian South.
He did absolutely nothing that I wouldn't be expecting one of our own academy graduates to be doing anyway.
If he got a trial it would be due to his name, NOT ability.
I'm all for looking in non League for the next big talents - other clubs at this level have had great success doing this but I didn't see a lot from Kyrell Lisbie to suggest he'd be worth a look for any other reason than who his dad is.
Calm down everybody especially @CAFCDAZ you will have blood pressure with your persecution of Corey Blackett-Taylor. He has been excellent this season even if he has gone AWOL in the last two matches which may be because he has been told to go inside when Edun overlaps and it's not quite working. CBT needs space to work in and in the 1st half the low block made this difficult.
Not quite sure with the body language of Miles Leaburn at the moment but it's the polar opposite to May and Dobson who play with a smile on their faces and enjoy every second of being a pro footballer which is a tough business with the abuse they can get online or at the ground as I heard Alfie getting some stick from a Neanderthal on BBC 2 last night.
I thought our passing was good all night but it was only effective when they tired and space became free all over the pitch as they just couldn't close down.
The second half was so one sided that if it had been boxing the referee would have stopped the contest !
Sam TBF he infuriates me with his inconsistencies, his had a good season, I wouldn't say great as he has not performed week in week out. Yesterday I cant actually remember him tracking back towards our box once, it was like he knew I was going to give him shit 😅. People always tend to defend him, yet jump on the back of the likes of Leaburn and Kirk, who I must admit has massively underperformed for us, but Jesus, he aint as bad as some make out.
Leaburn has a strike rate of 1 in 3 at 20 years old, his been played out of position more than a couple of times this season and has had a couple of shit performances, but what's CBT's excuses? His played in her preferred position all season, has been given consistent game time, freedom to attack and not defend by the looks of things, so what else can we do to see consistency with him?
I’m a big fan of CBT. He wins us games when firing, but a player like that will misfire from time to time, when circumstances aren’t right. It’s just the way it is, and it’s why he’s playing for us, not at a higher level. If he improves his consistency by 20% he’ll be gone, and we won’t be able to replace him.
agree about Miles, something defo not right with him at the moment
Think his head has been turned, personally think there is a deal in place, expect him to be off in January.
Agree with you on that.
Think I’m with Grapevine on this. Touch wood he’s right.
My take on it was he's probably not enjoying the lone striker role very much, having to deal with the attention of two centre backs who've usually got years more experience of what you can get away with in the subtle niggly fouls department, and being the "big lump in the middle" is more a role that has been thrust on him due to his physique rather than his natural game. In addition, the heavy pitch won't have helped, especially as he was probably a bit wary of turning an ankle due to his previous injuries. I'd be careful about reading too much into it.
Having watched the 'penalty' incident again, does anyone else think that after his initial balls up,Walker pulled a bit of a flanker on the ref? If you watch it, after he kicks Lisbie in the bojangles,he steps back into the area,where Lisbie was laying,therefore giving the officials the impression the whole thing occurred inside the box =The ref gives a pen and books him rather than a red and a free kick for outside. Maybe i'm giving him too much credit🤷♂️
Think you're crediting Walker with too much brains. Ihalf expected him to go heehaw, heehaw when the ref walked up to him
Come on give Walker a break, if he's not good enough blame those who brought him to the club.
Having watched the 'penalty' incident again, does anyone else think that after his initial balls up,Walker pulled a bit of a flanker on the ref? If you watch it, after he kicks Lisbie in the bojangles,he steps back into the area,where Lisbie was laying,therefore giving the officials the impression the whole thing occurred inside the box =The ref gives a pen and books him rather than a red and a free kick for outside. Maybe i'm giving him too much credit🤷♂️
Think you're crediting Walker with too much brains. Ihalf expected him to go heehaw, heehaw when the ref walked up to him
Come on give Walker a break, if he's not good enough blame those who brought him to the club.
He had little to do apart from playing it to defenders and hoofing it upfield, except for the mix penalty mix up. Hasn't inspired confidence as yet, but I seem to recall Bob Boulder having a similar calamitous mix up with a defender early on in his time at the Club, and he turned out alright in the end didn't he? 😉
Having watched the 'penalty' incident again, does anyone else think that after his initial balls up,Walker pulled a bit of a flanker on the ref? If you watch it, after he kicks Lisbie in the bojangles,he steps back into the area,where Lisbie was laying,therefore giving the officials the impression the whole thing occurred inside the box =The ref gives a pen and books him rather than a red and a free kick for outside. Maybe i'm giving him too much credit🤷♂️
Think you're crediting Walker with too much brains. Ihalf expected him to go heehaw, heehaw when the ref walked up to him
Come on give Walker a break, if he's not good enough blame those who brought him to the club.
I haven't seen enough to know if he's good enough, I was referring specifically to that "challenge" on Lisbie.
Having watched the 'penalty' incident again, does anyone else think that after his initial balls up,Walker pulled a bit of a flanker on the ref? If you watch it, after he kicks Lisbie in the bojangles,he steps back into the area,where Lisbie was laying,therefore giving the officials the impression the whole thing occurred inside the box =The ref gives a pen and books him rather than a red and a free kick for outside. Maybe i'm giving him too much credit🤷♂️
Think you're crediting Walker with too much brains. Ihalf expected him to go heehaw, heehaw when the ref walked up to him
Come on give Walker a break, if he's not good enough blame those who brought him to the club.
He had little to do apart from playing it to defenders and hoofing it upfield, except for the mix penalty mix up. Hasn't inspired confidence as yet, but I seem to recall Bob Boulder having a similar calamitous mix up with a defender early on in his time at the Club, and he turned out alright in the end didn't he? 😉
I've just watched back this game on the Telly and one thing that was really obvious, was how good Alfie May was and that we never really looked in trouble. In person it felt like they were having a bit of luck on the wings, on the box it looked like such a one sided game, which of course it was in the end.
But Alfie May, wow. Even on the right wing out of position, he was finding himself in dangerous areas constantly, had far more shots than anyone else and you can tell players are starting to recognise his runs more now. There was a time where he was offside a lot, but now players are finding him a lot more. Particularly Dobson who seems to be building an understanding with him.
Absolutely ridiculous player, as long as we keep him and get some quality in other areas of the pitch, it's inevitable we will go up in the near future.
All credit to Cray Valley. For three quarters of the two games they really gave us a match, (or matches) indeed they played far above their position in the football pyramid.
However, I have just noticed that yesterday they lost 5-1 at home to Hampton.
Signing players from 5 divisions below us? Behave! Imagine a premier league team last season going "oh that goalscoring ratio of Langstaff was good, let's sign him for our squad"
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Whatever the decision, he was playing the ball...🤔
Others who stood out I think are:
Ekpiteta (in the first game)
Ibrahiym (notably strong in the challenge against Anderson for the goal at the Valley)
Sonny Black (ex CPFC and 27 yrs old)
Arthur Lee, captain, tattooed centre back- again better game at the Valley than on Wednesday night.
Both of which are the same age (or younger) and have probably better potential besides, given that academies have progressed both instead of letting them go, as Lisbie jr was.
If he wasn't the son of Kevin no-one would have been entertaining any concept of signing him.
Although wonder if he dropped down further because of his links to Cray Valley
That and someone suggested they're paying big wages for that level
Ideally, I want our own to come through in preference to bringing any players in from elsewhere.
But if we're giving out trials, let's give them to players who look useful at THIS level, not the Isthmian South.
He did absolutely nothing that I wouldn't be expecting one of our own academy graduates to be doing anyway.
If he got a trial it would be due to his name, NOT ability.
Think I’m with Grapevine on this. Touch wood he’s right.
But Alfie May, wow. Even on the right wing out of position, he was finding himself in dangerous areas constantly, had far more shots than anyone else and you can tell players are starting to recognise his runs more now. There was a time where he was offside a lot, but now players are finding him a lot more. Particularly Dobson who seems to be building an understanding with him.
Absolutely ridiculous player, as long as we keep him and get some quality in other areas of the pitch, it's inevitable we will go up in the near future.
For three quarters of the two games they really gave us a match, (or matches)
indeed they played far above their position in the football pyramid.
However, I have just noticed that yesterday they lost 5-1 at home to Hampton.
https://www.thenonleaguefootballpaper.com/latest-news/step-2/national-league-north-and-south/national-league-south/braintree-town/488863/kyrell-lisbie-signs-for-braintree/