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North Macedonia vs England - KO @ 7:45pm (C4) - Living in a Dion Dublin World!!

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  • edited November 2023
    so you can give a retroactive yellow card after VAR then

    Yes - only in instances where the yellow also comes with a penalty. Reverse of the Kane incident the other night, if that had been overturned then the yellow he got for a dive would've been rescinded.
    thanks Cal. 

    Absolute nonsense then. (not you the rules)

    can give a yellow retroactively, but can't recind a yellow that what was clearly not a dive 
  • What a shit game of football
  • edited November 2023
    Solidgone said:
    Only Folden wants to take the ball forward. The rest keep passing it backwards. 

    Its the Southgate way.  Zzz
  • It is like watching Charlton, players in the wrong positions, negative system, dogshit performances
  • How was that a high boot? Maguire ducked into it. Commentary team really letting their biases get in the way here.
  • World number 1 my arse, more like a number 2 that won't flush. Time to get Big Sam back 
  • How shit is Maguire, about as shit as the ref, awful decision complete embarrassment of an official and shows just what a joke Var is.
  • AndyG said:
    How to turn a truely golden generation into a shite squad of negativity whatever the result of any qualifiers whatever our fifa world ranking the minute we play a decent team in a game that matters Southgate will stifle any chance we have end of
    In fairness the reason we have qualified is two good wins over Italy.
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  • Valley11 said:
    Find is puzzling that some people question Southgate.
    We’ve qualified so he’s trying out the squad in a tricky away game, so he has experience in the 16 for a tournament.
    Maguire one was a pen. Second one wasn’t.
    Too many international games. 
    Any England Manager is only ever one game away from being slaughtered by "fans" its always been the way with the National Team.

    Still amuses me that Pep is one choice that the fans would love - But it took him seven years with Man City to win the Champions League (the one club Tournament that can probably be compared to International Football), thats the equivalent of the World Cup from 1998-2022.

    Imagine any England Manager being given anywhere near that long.
  • I actually think it’s been better than Friday. That first half with Kane is a totally different story.
  • aliwibble said:
    How was that a high boot? Maguire ducked into it. Commentary team really letting their biases get in the way here.
    I thought Guehi was fouled, but as you say, Maguire’s head was about knee high. He got clobbered but not a foul. 
  • AndyG said:
    How to turn a truely golden generation into a shite squad of negativity whatever the result of any qualifiers whatever our fifa world ranking the minute we play a decent team in a game that matters Southgate will stifle any chance we have end of
    In fairness the reason we have qualified is two good wins over Italy.
    But lost to them when it counted
  • AndyG said:
    How to turn a truely golden generation into a shite squad of negativity whatever the result of any qualifiers whatever our fifa world ranking the minute we play a decent team in a game that matters Southgate will stifle any chance we have end of
    In fairness the reason we have qualified is two good wins over Italy.
    They're not a decent team anymore, so doesnt count

    If England beat a team 10-1... Its because we didnt keep a clean sheet, or the fact we didnt take Kane off and give Watkins a go @ 6-0
  • AndyG said:
    AndyG said:
    How to turn a truely golden generation into a shite squad of negativity whatever the result of any qualifiers whatever our fifa world ranking the minute we play a decent team in a game that matters Southgate will stifle any chance we have end of
    In fairness the reason we have qualified is two good wins over Italy.
    But lost to them when it counted
    Ah, so winning this group doesn’t count? 
  • How bad is it when Jordan Henderson would improve our chances
  • Valley11 said:
    Find is puzzling that some people question Southgate.
    We’ve qualified so he’s trying out the squad in a tricky away game, so he has experience in the 16 for a tournament.
    Maguire one was a pen. Second one wasn’t.
    Too many international games. 
    He wont get England as a top 4 team if he picks teams like this. Experiment in friendlies against Australia all you like but not a WC qualifier. 

    Like CAFC against Cray Valley......play your best team ffs !!  1-1 at home playing Kirk. 6-1 away from home playing Alfie May.
  • AndyG said:
    How to turn a truely golden generation into a shite squad of negativity whatever the result of any qualifiers whatever our fifa world ranking the minute we play a decent team in a game that matters Southgate will stifle any chance we have end of
    I think you are massively overestimating our squad calling it a "golden generation" 

    we have two world class players and potentially two others - Trent and Sako. The rest are mid table premier league. The defence is arguably lower than that centrally.

     
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  • AndyG said:
    How to turn a truely golden generation into a shite squad of negativity whatever the result of any qualifiers whatever our fifa world ranking the minute we play a decent team in a game that matters Southgate will stifle any chance we have end of

    We were an extra time period away from a World Cup final in 2018.

    We were a penalty shoot out away from winning Euro 2020.

    We were a missed penalty away from taking the defending World champs to extra time in 2022 and who knows what would've happened after.


    Winning a major tournament is bloody hard and we don't have a god given right to walk over any other top level team at the business end of a competition - who have also earned the right to be there by being bloody good at football. The breaks haven't gone our way in the above games but that's not a reason to get rid of our most successful manager since Alf Ramsey.
    Yeah but the memories of Euro 2016 and the 2010 World Cup trump any of those performances - Even if facing Iceland in the KO Stages was harder than anything we've achieved in the Tournaments you mention, cos Southgate only gets easy draws.

    Or the fact we had Ashley Young at bloody Left-Back in 2018
  • Valley11 said:
    Find is puzzling that some people question Southgate.
    We’ve qualified so he’s trying out the squad in a tricky away game, so he has experience in the 16 for a tournament.
    Maguire one was a pen. Second one wasn’t.
    Too many international games. 
    He wont get England as a top 4 team if he picks teams like this. Experiment in friendlies against Australia all you like but not a WC qualifier. 

    Like CAFC against Cray Valley......play your best team ffs !!  1-1 at home playing Kirk. 6-1 away from home playing Alfie May.
    We're ranked 4th in the World...
  • Christ, commentators just said we’ve not done a bloody golfie since 2016…
  • Valley11 said:
    Find is puzzling that some people question Southgate.
    We’ve qualified so he’s trying out the squad in a tricky away game, so he has experience in the 16 for a tournament.
    Maguire one was a pen. Second one wasn’t.
    Too many international games. 
    He wont get England as a top 4 team if he picks teams like this. Experiment in friendlies against Australia all you like but not a WC qualifier. 

    Like CAFC against Cray Valley......play your best team ffs !!  1-1 at home playing Kirk. 6-1 away from home playing Alfie May.

    Don't want to labor on the CAFC point too much but Alfie May played about 60% of the minutes in the Cray Valley tie across the first match and the second match's first half.

    The aggregate score at that point was 2-2. The aggregate score while May was also on the pitch was 1-1.
  • edited November 2023
    AndyG said:
    😂 ok I can see I’m in the minority so won’t go on except to say any half decent manager would have a better chance of winning something with this group of players Southgate just isn’t a winner and bottles it when it’s within his grasp, nice bloke yes winner no
    Name the Manager...? - Confident too that you know the FA will hire them

    Or that they'll want the job
  • Poke the bear? Wake the beast?

    its Been more like choke the chicken so far…
  • Brilliant Saka
  • the ref is more interested in being on the telly clearly - suaving it up with his silver fox hair do 

    Bring back the baldy refs like Collina I say 
  • Fuck sake Southgate
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