352 would suit Alfie, and it would suit Hector as it would give him far more licence to bring the ball out.
Wouldn't suit CBT though and that was the problem once Leaburn got injured we had nobody to hold the ball up alongside May. We also had no wing backs early on.
Don't worry - we won't have to worry about a 352 not suiting CBT for much longer.
I know everyone is fuming, but can I remind you all we’re only 3 pts off Lincoln in 9th with 2 games in hand, and 3 clear of Port Vale in 15th having played the same amount of games. When you zoom out and look at 9-15th in the table, there’s reason to be cautiously optimistic
I know everyone is fuming, but can I remind you all we’re only 3 pts off Lincoln in 9th with 2 games in hand, and 3 clear of Port Vale in 15th having played the same amount of games. When you zoom out and look at 9-15th in the table, there’s reason to be cautiously optimistic
Sorry mate, games in hand mean diddly squat to Charlton.
Love your glass half full reasoning though, wish I could like as well!
What really annoyed me today was the fact that I normally watch expecting us to concede late on because the opposition have something and are threatening. Burton had absolutely f… all yet they still managed to score a last gasp goal. We are just so weak it is painful.
Another tough watch but I thought we would see the game out. Their goal was very frustrating to watch. We had enough players in the box to defend but none was nowhere near up to doing the job.
Burton were quite possibly the worst team I’ve seen in years but we never looked like taking them out of the game. Hopefully we can get some better players in next month and we will see and implement.
I must say, this all seems very knee jerk. We are definitely on track to secure league 1 status for 5 seasons in a row.
We edged the possession and shots taken, we also had more fans than Burton.
Our defense is absolutely fantastic, 3 clean sheets in 21 league games because they're so overconfident and giving the other lads a chance to shine, so keep giving away goals for a laugh. (We have one of the best centre backs in EFL so makes sense.)
We have the most dangerous striker in league 1 playing out wide in his natural habitat.
The list goes on. Only 2 losses in 15 games, wow. Tremendous, fortress Valley. We were also unlucky again ffs! Conceded so late.
Anyway guys I think we should be more positive, Christmas on the horizon, January window coming up and I'm sure we will sign the best players in the league.
Finally, have some patience in Appleton. Captain charisma is the man to take us forwards. Not many managers can get us playing such good football that the Valley is stunned into silence for 90 minutes.
Like many others, called 1-1 at half time. No urgency and little movement. Was so flat it felt like a training match at times.
433 doesn't seem to be working for us, the midfield 3 lack dynamism and our goal threat is stuck on the wing. Need to go 2 up top for while and maybe switch to a back 3.
Oddly, whilst Dobson has been one of our few standout performers, we need someone in the middle that can control the tempo and he tends to slow things down a lot at times. Fraser and Campbell aren't doing enough for me either.
If we go 2 up top then CBT probably moves to the bench allowing us to play Edun and Asiimwe as wingbacks.
The shopping list for January requires at least 1 CB, 1 CM and 1 ST that are better than what we have. I do not hold out much hope other than a few speculative punts.
I've still got the fucking hump over today's performance. But I've been warned not to use the c word to describe how I feel. So as I don't want to upset the mods I shall just call the team Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasakers
I was the only one in my row, the stewards thought it would be fun to use it as a thoroughfare, 3 times they want to get past me, on the third time I told them to go back and walk through the stand, they wouldn’t be doing it it I wasn’t the only one. Didn’t let them through. 🤬
Lovely pic of my son's, standing in front of the stairs. I was in the lower today with some friends. View wasn't any better from down there.
And that's me sitting down next to them, hood up and feeling really p****d off
I must say, this all seems very knee jerk. We are definitely on track to secure league 1 status for 5 seasons in a row.
We edged the possession and shots taken, we also had more fans than Burton.
Our defense is absolutely fantastic, 3 clean sheets in 21 league games because they're so overconfident and giving the other lads a chance to shine.
We have the most dangerous striker in league 1 playing out wide in his natural habitat.
The list goes on. Only 2 losses in 15 games, wow. Tremendous, fortress Valley. We were also unlucky again ffs! Conceded so late.
Anyway guys I think we should be more positive, Christmas on the horizon, January window coming up and I'm sure we will sign the best players in the league.
Finally, have some patience in Appleton. Captain charisma is the man to take us forwards. Not many managers can get us playing such good football that the Valley is stunned into silence for 90 minutes.
Alfie as the right attacker/winger is fine if he cuts in all the time, and spends most of the match in the box RECEIVING crosses. After all Mo Salah plays in the same position on paper.
Instead so often he ended up out wide today, well away from the goal. Indeed, instead of Watson providing the width from RB, ludicrously he often ended up more central than May.
A real boon for those only interested in the team for when they get to call them "gutless" or whatever. A great day for them.
Sorry, calling out fans is a nonsense. There is not a single fan who think this is a great day. Sure some are more pessimistic/glass half full but no.one.on here wants Charlton to lose.
I see lots of posters who go to games, pumping their money into the club and totally fed up with another pathetic season, a poor team, a poor manager and a dreadful result (again) against a dreadful opposition (again).
As Ohhahh regularly points out this is pretty much our worst running league performance ever at the same time our rivals are outperforming. It is hardly surprising fans are fed up.
Well said, I would probably feel less bothered about yet another pathetic display if my average match day spend was less then a tenner watching in my cozy living room on the sofa with a cold beer.
I will be there on boxing day, going again but not going to apologise for my opinion that we have a squad of weak bottlers and maybe a manager who cannot see his own tactical failings.
My match day spend is less than a tenner and I can’t attend due to a combination of distance and disability. But I have to tell you I am still bloody fuming with the best of you at the state of the decline of our beloved club.
The board need to invest in the team, we can't keep sacking managers. They need to stop making promises and let their actions do the talking.
Wouldn't want Applelton to be in charge should we get better players. We'd buy an AM and he'd play them at left back. Playing May wide right is football crime
At about 70 minutes I looked at my phone and said to my wife ’that’ll finish 1-1 then’ No surprise there then. Now time to get back to enjoy the approaching Christmas because Charlton is the gift that doesn’t give anymore.
A dire and dispiriting performance in the second half, when we invited a very mediocre Burton side on to us, with inevitable results given our inability to keep a clean sheet.
With a few honourable exceptions, the team lacks personality, drive, leadership and commitment and the play-offs are now a total pipe dream. The prospects of any meaningful investment in January grow ever more remote.
We have heard far too many platitudes from Andy Scott and Appleton, two men whose primary concern is to hang onto their jobs for as long as possible. Quite understandable but is there anyone within the ownership or senior management team who gives a toss about the medium (let along long term) future of this football club ?
1-0 leads (or even 2-0 leads, as Cambridge showed) are not enough for this current crop. The fear of losing overwrote any desire to win and, yet again, we drop more points. Playoff contention already was close to realistically gone, and now feels close to mathematically gone - even with amazing recruitment in January, I don't see this bunch going to go on a crazy 7 or 8 game winning streak to pull us into a fight for 6th.
Blame goes in every direction today - the recruitment, the players and the coaching. Too many of the summer signings are just very average (or worse) footballers. Many of them are not good enough or fundamentally square pegs, but many don't give anywhere near enough effort. Even when you have a couple playing like it's their last game, the dead weight drags everything down. Recruit for one system and then flip to another when you fire and hire another manager. MA should be accountable, but as others have said, even the best managers in the world would still find this a tough gig with the players at their disposal. We saw the poor side of CBT and no-one could engineer any kind of composure in the final third.
The turning point today, for me, felt like the Fraser substitution and (despite not really being a Fraser fan) this was when it felt like we lost shape and this is not the first time I've disagreed with a substitution like this. I think MA took his eyes off our highly tenuous lead and had one eye on the next game. As I said to fellow ST sufferers, we needed at least a second. We lacked quality, belief and resilience - and yet again, punished at the death by another poor L1 side that we should have put to bed. We are where we are and will be fighting the glorious battle for 8-10th again.
I love this club, but f*** me games like this hurt.
I said to my son at 80 minutes. " This is Charlton , we can and probably will still throw this away despite how awful Burton was. I was right.
We've got to stop playing May out wide . He's not a winger. Play him in the number 10 role behind or alongside Kanu. I thought Edun and Jones were excellent but the rest were meh .
Piss poor atmosphere and the crowds are going to get smaller and smaller with results like this . Why make the effort when the players don't ? Might as well watch it at home.
On another note I've never seen an away team with less fans . They must have come in one car. I include non league teams that have played at The Valley.
We could make excuses for Garner and Holden as they were rookie managers who weren't fully supported by the board in the transfer windows. Appleton however is an experienced lower league manager - yet can't get a tune out of a group of players who decent if not great. His formation and team choice is baffling, his style of play is non-existent, he's failed to even get the basics right when it comes to defending set pieces and seeing a game out and is incapable of getting the team to build on a lead, close other teams down and play on the front foot with energy and commitment. He stands on the touchline motionlessness and that lack of passion is reflected in our dire slow ponderous play. I wasn't happy when we appointed him and have no faith in him getting us above mid table even if has a couple of windows.
We’re more likely to be in a relegation battle than a playoffs battle, on current form.
We’re a different team without Chuks, sadly. Unless there are some quality signings in the pipeline the season’s over. In fact, cancel that, the season’s over either way. And who wants to sign for a club eleven or twelve points outside the playoffs? 🙁
Do you ever think that is/was a possibility ? Just more Andy Scott Bullshit
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Love your glass half full reasoning though, wish I could like as well!
Grim game and entirely predictable ending.
Another drab season and expecting another drab transfer window coming up.
Empty in the ground today n'all.
We edged the possession and shots taken, we also had more fans than Burton.
Our defense is absolutely fantastic, 3 clean sheets in 21 league games because they're so overconfident and giving the other lads a chance to shine, so keep giving away goals for a laugh. (We have one of the best centre backs in EFL so makes sense.)
We have the most dangerous striker in league 1 playing out wide in his natural habitat.
The list goes on. Only 2 losses in 15 games, wow. Tremendous, fortress Valley. We were also unlucky again ffs! Conceded so late.
Anyway guys I think we should be more positive, Christmas on the horizon, January window coming up and I'm sure we will sign the best players in the league.
Finally, have some patience in Appleton. Captain charisma is the man to take us forwards. Not many managers can get us playing such good football that the Valley is stunned into silence for 90 minutes.
Roll on Orient! Come on you Reds!
433 doesn't seem to be working for us, the midfield 3 lack dynamism and our goal threat is stuck on the wing. Need to go 2 up top for while and maybe switch to a back 3.
Oddly, whilst Dobson has been one of our few standout performers, we need someone in the middle that can control the tempo and he tends to slow things down a lot at times. Fraser and Campbell aren't doing enough for me either.
If we go 2 up top then CBT probably moves to the bench allowing us to play Edun and Asiimwe as wingbacks.
The shopping list for January requires at least 1 CB, 1 CM and 1 ST that are better than what we have. I do not hold out much hope other than a few speculative punts.
over today's performance.
But I've been warned not to use the c word to describe how I feel.
So as I don't want to upset the mods I shall just call the team
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasakers
Instead so often he ended up out wide today, well away from the goal. Indeed, instead of Watson providing the width from RB, ludicrously he often ended up more central than May.
No surprise there then.
Now time to get back to enjoy the approaching Christmas because Charlton is the gift that doesn’t give anymore.
Blame goes in every direction today - the recruitment, the players and the coaching. Too many of the summer signings are just very average (or worse) footballers. Many of them are not good enough or fundamentally square pegs, but many don't give anywhere near enough effort. Even when you have a couple playing like it's their last game, the dead weight drags everything down. Recruit for one system and then flip to another when you fire and hire another manager. MA should be accountable, but as others have said, even the best managers in the world would still find this a tough gig with the players at their disposal. We saw the poor side of CBT and no-one could engineer any kind of composure in the final third.
The turning point today, for me, felt like the Fraser substitution and (despite not really being a Fraser fan) this was when it felt like we lost shape and this is not the first time I've disagreed with a substitution like this. I think MA took his eyes off our highly tenuous lead and had one eye on the next game. As I said to fellow ST sufferers, we needed at least a second. We lacked quality, belief and resilience - and yet again, punished at the death by another poor L1 side that we should have put to bed. We are where we are and will be fighting the glorious battle for 8-10th again.
I love this club, but f*** me games like this hurt.
I said to my son at 80 minutes. " This is Charlton , we can and probably will still throw this away despite how awful Burton was. I was right.
We've got to stop playing May out wide . He's not a winger. Play him in the number 10 role behind or alongside Kanu. I thought Edun and Jones were excellent but the rest were meh .
Piss poor atmosphere and the crowds are going to get smaller and smaller with results like this . Why make the effort when the players don't ? Might as well watch it at home.
On another note I've never seen an away team with less fans . They must have come in one car. I include non league teams that have played at The Valley.