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  • I haven't "conveniently" left out anything. But we always seem to be looking for excuses when we don't bat well. Gower has just pointed out that, all bar Duckett, played the wrong shots to the wrong ball.

    So, once and for all, I will ask you and the others saying that this pitch is unfair. Do we or do we not have a massive advantage in winning the toss if this wicket is as bad as we are saying?
    At the very least you’re using a false equivalence to further your argument. 

    Of course both teams play on the same pitch and the toss can go either way, I’d be making the same points if Pakistan were in exactly the same predicament as England. It just makes for poor cricket in my opinion. 
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  • This. 
    Answer theses questions Golfie -

    (1) Do we or do we not have a massive advantage in winning the toss if this wicket is as bad as we are saying?

    (2) Could five of our six dismissals been avoided? 
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    fenaddick said:
    At the very least you’re using a false equivalence to further your argument. 

    Of course both teams play on the same pitch and the toss can go either way, I’d be making the same points if Pakistan were in exactly the same predicament as England. It just makes for poor cricket in my opinion. 
    But losing the toss is the very thing that people were saying was the reason that we lost the last Test! How many of the six batsmen that were dismissed played the wrong shot. Both Atherton and Gower say all but Duckett.
  • But losing the toss is the very thing that people were saying was the reason that we lost the last Test! How many of the six batsmen that were dismissed played the wrong shot. Both Atherton and Gower say all but five. 
    I’m not talking about the last test! And you can still play the wrong shot on a rubbish wicket, the two aren’t mutually exclusive. 

    We’re never going to agree on this one which is totally ok. Rather than clog the thread up let’s agree to disagree and hope that Smith, Atkinson and Ahmed can add a decent number of runs to the total! 
  • fenaddick said:
    I’m not talking about the last test! And you can still play the wrong shot on a rubbish wicket, the two aren’t mutually exclusive. 

    We’re never going to agree on this one which is totally ok. Rather than clog the thread up let’s agree to disagree and hope that Smith, Atkinson and Ahmed can add a decent number of runs to the total! 
    We can agree on that. Duckett and Crawley put on 56. Smith and Atkinson have put on 40 to date. This isn't the minefield that some think it is.
  • 158-6 (47) at drinks
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    There has been a conscious decision not to play the sweep shot. That has helped. In reply to Rameez saying that the pitch seems to have "calmed down a bit", Nasser says that these two have just applied themselves and played with a straight bat. Crawley and Stokes were out driving at balls that weren't there, Root went back to one he shouldn't have done to and both Pope and Brook were out sweeping and just missing the ball. 
  • Nasser "England realised at lunch this wasn't a 100-5 pitch. You just have to apply yourself. There are no demons in this wicket. You can bat on it".
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  • 50 partnership between Smith and Atkinson
  • Excellent and chanceless 50* (94)

    183-6 (55)
  • Realistically no way Smith should be batting so low. Would imagine whenever Stokes/Root hang up the bat (hopefully a while away) he’ll shoot up the order
  • Atherton: "have conditions changed? I don't think so. It's just these two that have played them better". Our shot selection has been much better. These two have earned the right to take the game to Pakistan by batting together for over 20 overs. 

    207-6 (57)
  • this wicket turning into a road - getting better and better.
    too much advantage batting 4th on this track

    need a fair contest between bat and ball
  • fenaddick said:
    Realistically no way Smith should be batting so low. Would imagine whenever Stokes/Root hang up the bat (hopefully a while away) he’ll shoot up the order
    He could certainly bat in the top 4 but probably shouldn't if he has the gloves especially under the McCullum regime where he could regularly be keeping for two days plus at any one time. 5 with the gloves would probably be optimum. I don't think that it's a coincidence that Smith's best innings to date has come when he is fresh and clear in mind. 
  • 100 partnership up 
  • MrOneLung said:
    this wicket turning into a road - getting better and better.
    too much advantage batting 4th on this track

    need a fair contest between bat and ball
    I'm more concerned that the likes of Canters and Blackpool won't let us forget who these two play for!
  • Can’t argue with that one being a poor shot!
  • Atkinson's one mistake - Noman holds the ball back and he is through with the shot too early and is caught and bowled for 39 (71)

    225-7 (59.4) 
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  • I'm more concerned that the likes of Canters and Blackpool won't let us forget who these two play for!
    Always rely on the Surrey boys. 

    Maybe not Pope 🙂
    See what I mean!!!!
  • Answer theses questions Golfie -

    (1) Do we or do we not have a massive advantage in winning the toss if this wicket is as bad as we are saying?

    (2) Could five of our six dismissals been avoided? 
    1) on a pitch like this I dont think there is any advantage in winning the toss. With bad batting we could have been 150 all out. Pakistan get 350 and dont need to bat again. 

    2) I haven't seen any of put dismissals si cant comment. Just from what I read on the BBC live commentary it seems we were getting out LBW to balls keeping low, which us not good in the first 2 sessions of a Test match.

    But it all seems to have flattened out & there are no demons. Just bad batting from the top order.
  • Feel sorry for Smith. Applied himself so well until that final shot where he was trying to play it more square than the previous ones he had hit for 6 and ended up just hitting it straight up and caught by the keeper. Superb 91 (119).

    243-8
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    1) on a pitch like this I dont think there is any advantage in winning the toss. With bad batting we could have been 150 all out. Pakistan get 350 and dont need to bat again. 

    2) I haven't seen any of put dismissals si cant comment. Just from what I read on the BBC live commentary it seems we were getting out LBW to balls keeping low, which us not good in the first 2 sessions of a Test match.

    But it all seems to have flattened out & there are no demons. Just bad batting from the top order.
    It hasn't flattened out. Bad batting as you say. We just stopped playing cross batted shots and picked our battles better. We were 56-0, then lost 6 wickets for 62. We lost 18 wickets for 162 in the last Test. Again because we didn't apply ourselves.
  • See what I mean!!!!
    3 soft dismissal for the Surrey boys though 😉 

    Good knock from Smith, shame he couldn’t hold back a bit but hard to criticise really 
  • 244-8 (63) at tea
  • Dont think I've seen this in years......if ever.

    In the India v NZ Test 61 overs were bowled by tea.

    In this Test match 63 overs were bowled by tea.

    Is this a record  ??
  • 244-8 (63) at tea
    From being 118 for 6 that's a pretty good recovery on this wicket 
  • Dont think I've seen this in years......if ever.

    In the India v NZ Test 61 overs were bowled by tea.

    In this Test match 63 overs were bowled by tea.

    Is this a record  ??
    On the second day of the Lord’s Test of 1946, India and England bowled 161 overs. 


    In the Lord's Test 100 years ago, England made 200 in the first season of the second day. In that session, South Africa bowled 57 overs. 
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