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Who will be the new Charlton coach? - p103. Nathan Jones confirmed

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  • roseandcrown
    roseandcrown Posts: 7,588
    This was obviously on the cards so you would like to think someone is lined up. Appears from the noise Jones. I would be happy with this. 
  • Jones has a 43% win ratio
    duff 42.5%
    Rowett 40%

    We need someone with these sort of ratios 

    bowyer and Powell are both less than 40%, we need better
    Not saying we should get him back but Bowyer's win rate was over 40% with us, and that's despite a season in the championship with a squad that was decimated with injuries for a while. There was a period where we were forced to play the likes of Lapslie, Dempsey, Vennings, Davison and David Davis plus we had Hemed play about 20 games and he never scored.
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,852
    edited January 2024
    Uboat said:
    Uboat said:
    I honestly think Nathan Jones would sort them out in no time. 
    Is his time at Stoke and Southampton not a red flag though? Another manager on the way down?
    He got out of his depth at Southampton, but this is a completely different scenario. This is about getting players to understand their roles and perform them competently. 

    There was little expectation at Luton and therefore a lot less pressure. At Southampton and Stoke there was massive expectation, however much deluded.

    We can only offer pressure and expectation - do you see the problem?
  • DubaiCAFC
    DubaiCAFC Posts: 2,461
    swordfish said:
    We can't afford another Duff manager 😱
    Alex Dyer was there last night apparently. Might be his number two. We could end up with a Duff appointment having Dyer consequences 😉
    Are you sure he wasn't there scouting.. Not sure we need Dyer!

    Name I would like to see, but I am not sure we could get him Lee Carsley. 
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,823
    I just want someone who looks like he gives a f**K and who can organise our (on paper) pretty decent squad now into a cohesive unit that can defend and score goals.

    I don't think it should be that difficult.

    barring 2 quality wing backs and a keeper I don't think we could expect to have much better in this league....most teams would give anything for our front 2 and Coventry + 1 or 2 others.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,206
    Feels like the worst time to want a manager. Part of me wants an unknown young coach but that feels a massive risk in a relegation fight 
  • We need to get this one bang on. I’d be happy to get a “firefighter” like Warnock or even Curbs until the end of the season and have a proper recruitment process to make sure we get the appointment 100% right. 
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,064
    bobmunro said:
    Uboat said:
    Uboat said:
    I honestly think Nathan Jones would sort them out in no time. 
    Is his time at Stoke and Southampton not a red flag though? Another manager on the way down?
    He got out of his depth at Southampton, but this is a completely different scenario. This is about getting players to understand their roles and perform them competently. 

    There was little expectation at Luton and therefore a lot less pressure. At Southampton and Stoke there was massive expectation, however much deluded.

    We can only offer pressure and expectation - do you see the problem?

    Bob you've summed it up for me , I just have too many red flags about his spells at Stoke and Southampton. Not convinced he's the right man or if he'd even be interested. 
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,129
    This was obviously on the cards so you would like to think someone is lined up. Appears from the noise Jones. I would be happy with this. 
    It depends who leaked the Nathan Jones story doesn’t it? I wouldn’t pay much attention to it if it’s Methven and Scott. They did the same with Darren Ferguson and he rejected us instantly. 
  • Has to be someone with experience in coaching 352

    Which narrows the list down to Duff.

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  • Uboat said:
    I honestly think Nathan Jones would sort them out in no time. 
    Well he didn't manage to sort them out at Stoke & Southampton. 
  • We desperately need someone who has a history of getting teams to be solid at the back.

    Our February fixtures look scary and we need to be able to steal a point or two by frustrating some of those teams.

    We're good enough going forward that moving to a defensive style won't dry up the goals completely.

    We need to come out of February having fought hard in those fixtures, with a bit of self belief and determination. Then we can be ready to dispatch of the relegation teams in March.
  • DubaiCAFC said:
    swordfish said:
    We can't afford another Duff manager 😱
    Alex Dyer was there last night apparently. Might be his number two. We could end up with a Duff appointment having Dyer consequences 😉
    Are you sure he wasn't there scouting.. Not sure we need Dyer!

    Name I would like to see, but I am not sure we could get him Lee Carsley. 
    It kind of depresses me that the people who leaked you the information that Appleton was being sacked apparently given you no hint of who they have in mind to replace him.
    I sort of hoped they are going to act swiftly and decisively to install a preferred candidate of real pedigree.
    I worry that they are just going to invite applications and hope there is someone good or, worse still, it was sack first think later
  • This has  Lee Johnson written all over it!
    1/2 the crowds then next season!
  • DubaiCAFC
    DubaiCAFC Posts: 2,461
    DubaiCAFC said:
    swordfish said:
    We can't afford another Duff manager 😱
    Alex Dyer was there last night apparently. Might be his number two. We could end up with a Duff appointment having Dyer consequences 😉
    Are you sure he wasn't there scouting.. Not sure we need Dyer!

    Name I would like to see, but I am not sure we could get him Lee Carsley. 
    It kind of depresses me that the people who leaked you the information that Appleton was being sacked apparently given you no hint of who they have in mind to replace him.
    I sort of hoped they are going to act swiftly and decisively to install a preferred candidate of real pedigree.
    I worry that they are just going to invite applications and hope there is someone good or, worse still, it was sack first think later
    They certainly have targets, the issue is are they coming..

    I heard Jones and Warnock mentioned.. No idea if they have spoken.. As I mentioned the other day, things have gone quiet.
  • Danny Addick
    Danny Addick Posts: 3,931
    MarcusH26 said:
    That’s because they messed him about and went with Apples this time around. It was close. 
  • ValleyBen
    ValleyBen Posts: 572
    For me at the very least they should include Curbs in the process of recruiting the next permanent manager. 

    He might also help us attract a higher quality of manager by selling them on the club the same way he used to players. 
  • Yann897
    Yann897 Posts: 1,530
    Has to be someone with experience in coaching 352

    Which narrows the list down to Duff.
    Or a diamond would work with the players we have.
  • bobmunro said:
    Uboat said:
    Uboat said:
    I honestly think Nathan Jones would sort them out in no time. 
    Is his time at Stoke and Southampton not a red flag though? Another manager on the way down?
    He got out of his depth at Southampton, but this is a completely different scenario. This is about getting players to understand their roles and perform them competently. 

    There was little expectation at Luton and therefore a lot less pressure. At Southampton and Stoke there was massive expectation, however much deluded.

    We can only offer pressure and expectation - do you see the problem?
    Who do you think will be up to the job, Bob?

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  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,506
    Has to be someone with experience in coaching 352

    Which narrows the list down to Duff.
    Or buy a couple of wingers. 
  • Yann897
    Yann897 Posts: 1,530
    Simonsen said:
    Has to be someone with experience in coaching 352

    Which narrows the list down to Duff.
    Or buy a couple of wingers. 
    The idea of not having wingers is to be able to get Alfie May playing in a 2.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,738
    edited January 2024
    Jones has a 43% win ratio
    duff 42.5%
    Rowett 40%

    We need someone with these sort of ratios 

    bowyer and Powell are both less than 40%, we need better
    Not saying we should get him back but Bowyer's win rate was over 40% with us, and that's despite a season in the championship with a squad that was decimated with injuries for a while. There was a period where we were forced to play the likes of Lapslie, Dempsey, Vennings, Davison and David Davis plus we had Hemed play about 20 games and he never scored.
    I think that killed the bloke and yet we only went down because of a shit referee in the Barnsley match. He had lost it at the end but there are only so many slaps in the face a man can take, and his weakness is he is a petulant cnut. But that can also be a strength and I wouldn't be averse to him having another go at it. I also recall us jumping for joy when Douchebag sold the club to ESI for a pound and seperated the assets and Bowyer bringing us back to reality in the beginning, clearly seeing through it all. 
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,973
    edited January 2024
    Duff, Duff, Duff and mentions of several Dyers, including Danny. All points to Eastenders. Ladies and Gentlemen, I can conclude only that the next manager will be Bradley Branning
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,064
    Swisdom said:
    it will not be Lee Johnson.  Him and Charlie are not on good terms

    That's a relief because I can't stand Lee Johnson 😅
  • Ain't got a clue...rather like the SMT...but get someone that can last for more than 6 months, and has some nous about them would maybe help...just feel pissed off in general with the whole bloody circus...🤡🤡🤡
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,973
    Stable, strong Charlton connections, knows the club, more animated than Apples. I nominate the statue of Sam Bartram to take over.
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,064
    I must admit I did like the idea from Dubai earlier of Lee Carsley, would be a bit of a gamble as he's not got loads of club experience but he's done an excellent job with the England U21s. 
  • DubaiCAFC said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    swordfish said:
    We can't afford another Duff manager 😱
    Alex Dyer was there last night apparently. Might be his number two. We could end up with a Duff appointment having Dyer consequences 😉
    Are you sure he wasn't there scouting.. Not sure we need Dyer!

    Name I would like to see, but I am not sure we could get him Lee Carsley. 
    It kind of depresses me that the people who leaked you the information that Appleton was being sacked apparently given you no hint of who they have in mind to replace him.
    I sort of hoped they are going to act swiftly and decisively to install a preferred candidate of real pedigree.
    I worry that they are just going to invite applications and hope there is someone good or, worse still, it was sack first think later
    They certainly have targets, the issue is are they coming..

    I heard Jones and Warnock mentioned.. No idea if they have spoken.. As I mentioned the other day, things have gone quiet.
    That’s the problem, numerous managers turned us down last time (probably more than we heard about) and we were left with Appleton. Now the job is even less appealing. The real problem here is the clowns in charge. For anyone who wanted to give Methven the benefit of doubt, despite a terrible reputation, can I ask, how’s it going? Are you now convinced he’s an amateurish chancer, or do you need more time?