Answering a question about it being a difficult league... "The clubs that are pulling together and know where they want to go are the ones that tend to be successful" Portsmouth last season given as an example
Bullshit Bingo - house !!!
Ipswich spent money - wisely - but plenty of it - in Premier League, from Div 3 to Prem in 2 seasons
Ipswich spent their first 12 months spending money with no plan and didn't make the playoffs...
And remind me what we did
Spent the first 12 months without a solid plan and didn't make the playoffs...
And got beat by them at their place 4 nil and then 6 nil in successive seasons - I was at both
But most importantly - last season they got promoted to Prem - we had our lowest finish in 98 years
Tell me about plans ….
Let's moan about everything shall we? "Tell me about plans" what do you think this live video is trying to do?! 🙄
Because it’s words at the moment - if you want to hang out the bunting on the back of today, you fill your boots
My first match was in 1976 - a lot of water has gone under the bridge since then - good and bad
When I see that what they say translates into a good team / promotion fodder, then I will join you
For now, I’ve seen it all before
No one is hanging out the bunting and I don't know why you think they are.
When you get to 48 years of supporting Charlton Athletic, you will understand
Wahey, the old "I'm older than you so I know more than you" trope. Bore off Grandad
I take nothing from the meeting other than they are professional polished speakers. We finished in our lowest league position in 98 years last season and that was down to them. As per usual I shall judge them on what actually happens on the pitch and not how well they come across in interviews.
Out of interest, do they get any credit for any of the good stuff, mostly off the pitch (and literally, the pitch) that they have done?
Well I was impressed with what they said and progress going on off the field. I am prepared to give them a chance and it will be easier to judge at the end of the transfer window.
I am concerned about claims made by @Lordflashheart that they were already looking to sell up. Anyone else heard this?
I think it is more likely that we need two years of funded progress to get to the championship, so I sincerely hope they afford us that.
Another thing and I'm sorry to upset the vocal minority, but 10% of the budget wasted on the Women's team ffs.
Well I was impressed with what they said and progress going on off the field. I am prepared to give them a chance and it will be easier to judge at the end of the transfer window.
I am concerned about claims made by @Lordflashheart that they were already looking to sell up. Anyone else heard this?
I think it is more likely that we need two years of funded progress to get to the championship, so I sincerely hope they afford us that.
Another thing and I'm sorry to upset the vocal minority, but 10% of the budget wasted on the Women's team ffs.
They have to invest in the women's team. That's how they got the new pitch. Diversity Engagement and Inclusion. Latest buzz words.
I'm not saying @Lordflashheart is making it up, but surely a consortium made up of a few quite rich people isn't going to make exactly the same mistakes as previous owners and buy before realising what sort of investment is needed. Surely they'd have had legal and financial advice detailing the debts and investments needed to move the club forward to a place where they can sell it to make their profit. It can't be any different from investing in any other business in that regard, can it?
I'm not saying @Lordflashheart is making it up, but surely a consortium made up of a few quite rich people isn't going to make exactly the same mistakes as previous owners and buy before realising what sort of investment is needed. Surely they'd have had legal and financial advice detailing the debts and investments needed to move the club forward to a place where they can sell it to make their profit. It can't be any different from investing in any other business in that regard, can it?
You'd hope not but there was a fear that Charlie boy had been economical with the truth about how much the budget could be cut and we'd still get promotio n.
I'm not saying @Lordflashheart is making it up, but surely a consortium made up of a few quite rich people isn't going to make exactly the same mistakes as previous owners and buy before realising what sort of investment is needed. Surely they'd have had legal and financial advice detailing the debts and investments needed to move the club forward to a place where they can sell it to make their profit. It can't be any different from investing in any other business in that regard, can it?
Remember that saying about you can’t fool all of the people all of the time? What precedes it is you can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time. Southall fooled (nearly) all of the people some of the time. Methven isn’t really beholden to all of the people, just some of them, especially if they’re billionaires.
I'm not saying @Lordflashheart is making it up, but surely a consortium made up of a few quite rich people isn't going to make exactly the same mistakes as previous owners and buy before realising what sort of investment is needed. Surely they'd have had legal and financial advice detailing the debts and investments needed to move the club forward to a place where they can sell it to make their profit. It can't be any different from investing in any other business in that regard, can it?
You'd hope not but there was a fear that Charlie boy had been economical with the truth about how much the budget could be cut and we'd still get promotio n.
Same logic should apply. Surely they'd use an independent business conveyancing firm, rather than Methven seeing his background is in marketing?
As much as I think he should be given a chance at Charlton, I wouldn't rely on just CM to give me the lowdown of a business before the multimillion pound acquisition. Don't they watch Dragon's Den???
I'm not saying @Lordflashheart is making it up, but surely a consortium made up of a few quite rich people isn't going to make exactly the same mistakes as previous owners and buy before realising what sort of investment is needed. Surely they'd have had legal and financial advice detailing the debts and investments needed to move the club forward to a place where they can sell it to make their profit. It can't be any different from investing in any other business in that regard, can it?
Remember that saying about you can’t fool all of the people all of the time? What precedes it is you can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time. Southall fooled (nearly) all of the people some of the time. Methven isn’t really beholden to all of the people, just some of them, especially if they’re billionaires.
I don't think Methven is anywhere near the same league as Southall.
Methven seems to make some people cringe and others dislike him because of his upbringing, colour of chino or his schooling. This all seems to manifest itself in the same people lumping him in with all the others. Not saying he's my first choice of person to be involved, but happy to give him and the owners a clean slate, with Jones at the help and see where it goes
It all sounds good but we’ve been tucked up so many times before it’s hard to believe any of it.
I like Gavin being in there. He feels like one of us. Charlie now being the CEO doesn’t sit hugely comfortably with me but hopefully he’s learnt from his previous experiences and doesn’t start faffing about with walk on music etc.
Ultimately it’s about winning. And we’ve got a manager who doesn’t take any crap so that’s the biggest hope. Just win lads.
This might be a low bar but after the Odious faker, chancer and tosspot that is and was Matthew Southall, this feels like a vast improvement despite our League 1 position last season.
I'm amazed that CAFC didn't drop down to League 2 (over the last few chaotic years) so hopefully the stench of Southall and Co, plus the Amateur Sandgaard family and the sleeping Landlord Roland Duchatelet and his muse Katrien Miere are History and will all end up in Room 101(Yes I know Duchatelet is still the owner of Valley and Sparrow lane)
If only the infrastructure on and off the pitch could improve in unison. Without being contenders this season the owners of the club will continue to be criticized because it is a results business on the pitch.
I'm not saying @Lordflashheart is making it up, but surely a consortium made up of a few quite rich people isn't going to make exactly the same mistakes as previous owners and buy before realising what sort of investment is needed. Surely they'd have had legal and financial advice detailing the debts and investments needed to move the club forward to a place where they can sell it to make their profit. It can't be any different from investing in any other business in that regard, can it?
Remember that saying about you can’t fool all of the people all of the time? What precedes it is you can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time. Southall fooled (nearly) all of the people some of the time. Methven isn’t really beholden to all of the people, just some of them, especially if they’re billionaires.
I don't think Methven is anywhere near the same league as Southall.
Methven seems to make some people cringe and others dislike him because of his upbringing, colour of chino or his schooling. This all seems to manifest itself in the same people lumping him in with all the others. Not saying he's my first choice of person to be involved, but happy to give him and the owners a clean slate, with Jones at the help and see where it goes
I will be very happy indeed if he delivers points and promotion.
Well I was impressed with what they said and progress going on off the field. I am prepared to give them a chance and it will be easier to judge at the end of the transfer window.
I am concerned about claims made by @Lordflashheart that they were already looking to sell up. Anyone else heard this?
I think it is more likely that we need two years of funded progress to get to the championship, so I sincerely hope they afford us that.
Another thing and I'm sorry to upset the vocal minority, but 10% of the budget wasted on the Women's team ffs.
Out of interest where do you get the 10% from. Also 10% of what? total expenditure?
Answering a question about it being a difficult league... "The clubs that are pulling together and know where they want to go are the ones that tend to be successful" Portsmouth last season given as an example
Bullshit Bingo - house !!!
Ipswich spent money - wisely - but plenty of it - in Premier League, from Div 3 to Prem in 2 seasons
Ipswich spent their first 12 months spending money with no plan and didn't make the playoffs...
And remind me what we did
Spent the first 12 months without a solid plan and didn't make the playoffs...
And got beat by them at their place 4 nil and then 6 nil in successive seasons - I was at both
But most importantly - last season they got promoted to Prem - we had our lowest finish in 98 years
Tell me about plans ….
Let's moan about everything shall we? "Tell me about plans" what do you think this live video is trying to do?! 🙄
My first match was in 1976 - a lot of water has gone under the bridge since then
Well I was impressed with what they said and progress going on off the field. I am prepared to give them a chance and it will be easier to judge at the end of the transfer window.
I am concerned about claims made by @Lordflashheart that they were already looking to sell up. Anyone else heard this?
I think it is more likely that we need two years of funded progress to get to the championship, so I sincerely hope they afford us that.
Another thing and I'm sorry to upset the vocal minority, but 10% of the budget wasted on the Women's team ffs.
I missed that part, but unless the income from the womans team is 10% (which I doubt) I agree with you (no doubt this will be shot down by the supporters of the Womans team).
The below is how it was reported by the Supporters Trust on X and how 1 supporter (not me) responded.
Well I was impressed with what they said and progress going on off the field. I am prepared to give them a chance and it will be easier to judge at the end of the transfer window.
I am concerned about claims made by @Lordflashheart that they were already looking to sell up. Anyone else heard this?
I think it is more likely that we need two years of funded progress to get to the championship, so I sincerely hope they afford us that.
Another thing and I'm sorry to upset the vocal minority, but 10% of the budget wasted on the Women's team ffs.
I missed that part, but unless the income from the womans team is 10% (which I doubt) I agree with you (no doubt this will be shot down by the supporters of the Womans team).
The below is how it was reported by the Supporters Trust on X and how 1 supporter (not me) responded.
Or the counter argument that the men's team loses 9 times what the women's team does but is far less successful so we should shut the men's team down and focus on the women.
Or both teams lose money so close both.
Neither of these are, IMHO, valid or desirable but neither team can currently exist without being bailed out by the owners. So if the owners want to lose 90% on the women's team and 10% on the women's team that is their choice. (I know 90/10 of costs may not be 90/10 of losses)
The women's team do however cost a lot less and are much nearer reaching a league where higher incomes are possible. This season they have contributed £750k to the pitch renovation through a grant that the men's team couldn't have won. The women's game is growing and attracting more interest and sponsorship and being associated with both sides will please a number of sponsors.
I think there is room for both teams and so it seems do the owners/funders.
I'm not saying @Lordflashheart is making it up, but surely a consortium made up of a few quite rich people isn't going to make exactly the same mistakes as previous owners and buy before realising what sort of investment is needed. Surely they'd have had legal and financial advice detailing the debts and investments needed to move the club forward to a place where they can sell it to make their profit. It can't be any different from investing in any other business in that regard, can it?
I take nothing from the meeting other than they are professional polished speakers. We finished in our lowest league position in 98 years last season and that was down to them. As per usual I shall judge them on what actually happens on the pitch and not how well they come across in interviews.
I take nothing from the meeting other than they are professional polished speakers. We finished in our lowest league position in 98 years last season and that was down to them. As per usual I shall judge them on what actually happens on the pitch and not how well they come across in interviews.
Out of interest, do they get any credit for any of the good stuff, mostly off the pitch (and literally, the pitch) that they have done?
I will give them some credit for getting a decent pitch laid.
But ultimately it's the quality of players that perform on the pitch that matters, not how good the pitch is.
Well I was impressed with what they said and progress going on off the field. I am prepared to give them a chance and it will be easier to judge at the end of the transfer window.
I am concerned about claims made by @Lordflashheart that they were already looking to sell up. Anyone else heard this?
I think it is more likely that we need two years of funded progress to get to the championship, so I sincerely hope they afford us that.
Another thing and I'm sorry to upset the vocal minority, but 10% of the budget wasted on the Women's team ffs.
I missed that part, but unless the income from the womans team is 10% (which I doubt) I agree with you (no doubt this will be shot down by the supporters of the Womans team).
The below is how it was reported by the Supporters Trust on X and how 1 supporter (not me) responded.
Or the counter argument that the men's team loses 9 times what the women's team does but is far less successful so we should shut the men's team down and focus on the women.
Or both teams lose money so close both.
Neither of these are, IMHO, valid or desirable but neither team can currently exist without being bailed out by the owners. So if the owners want to lose 90% on the women's team and 10% on the women's team that is their choice. (I know 90/10 of costs may not be 90/10 of losses)
The women's team do however cost a lot less and are much nearer reaching a league where higher incomes are possible. This season they have contributed £750k to the pitch renovation through a grant that the men's team couldn't have won. The women's game is growing and attracting more interest and sponsorship and being associated with both sides will please a number of sponsors.
I think there is room for both teams and so it seems do the owners/funders.
Agree with your arguments, and in 2024 we should have a Woman's Team.
What we also need for the whole club to function for the greater good is we need to be in the Championship (Men) and that for me should be where the focus should be in the short term. Until we acheive that, as so many of our previous owners have found, we will simply go nowhere
Well I was impressed with what they said and progress going on off the field. I am prepared to give them a chance and it will be easier to judge at the end of the transfer window.
I am concerned about claims made by @Lordflashheart that they were already looking to sell up. Anyone else heard this?
I think it is more likely that we need two years of funded progress to get to the championship, so I sincerely hope they afford us that.
Another thing and I'm sorry to upset the vocal minority, but 10% of the budget wasted on the Women's team ffs.
I missed that part, but unless the income from the womans team is 10% (which I doubt) I agree with you (no doubt this will be shot down by the supporters of the Womans team).
The below is how it was reported by the Supporters Trust on X and how 1 supporter (not me) responded.
Or the counter argument that the men's team loses 9 times what the women's team does but is far less successful so we should shut the men's team down and focus on the women.
Or both teams lose money so close both.
Neither of these are, IMHO, valid or desirable but neither team can currently exist without being bailed out by the owners. So if the owners want to lose 90% on the women's team and 10% on the women's team that is their choice. (I know 90/10 of costs may not be 90/10 of losses)
The women's team do however cost a lot less and are much nearer reaching a league where higher incomes are possible. This season they have contributed £750k to the pitch renovation through a grant that the men's team couldn't have won. The women's game is growing and attracting more interest and sponsorship and being associated with both sides will please a number of sponsors.
I think there is room for both teams and so it seems do the owners/funders.
Agree with your arguments, and in 2024 we should have a Woman's Team.
What we also need for the whole club to function for the greater good is we need to be in the Championship (Men) and that for me should be where the focus should be in the short term. Until we acheive that, as so many of our previous owners have found, we will simply go nowhere
Agree - the men's first team is still the main driver and indicator of success but I hope the women's first team can be part of the whole club's success alongside it.
Totally, men's team is always going to be the top priority to our core support and that's where the reciprocal ambition should be from the ownership. The Academy remains absolute key, but if it means getting players in on short term deals that will do a job to get us out of League One then will take that happily, has worked in the past. Women playing at The Valley can only boost profile and could even enhance overall budget given the men's fixture schedule, or at least offset a loss if the Cambridge game in the Arthur Daley Motors Trophy is at home for example. Though Lucy Bronze being out of contract may be a bit over ambitious for now.
"Update with regard to purchasing the Valley and Sparrows Lane?"
"Thorny topic ... we are with the fans here, we weren't the ones who separated the assets from the club ... the first thing is about security of tenure, we need to make sure Charlton can play here medium to long term ... whether that means buying or a long lease extension ... having a short term lease is a challenge because you're effectively spending money on someone else's house and they can raise the rent after you've made any improvements... ongoing talks with the landlord to ensure the Valley remains long term home of Charlton Athletic ... there have been initial conversations and it's something we will pursue with all of our mighty because we want to make sure Charlton is playing at the Valley for as long as we can"
People who argue we don’t need to worry about The Valley because the lease runs until 2035 please note. That is not a secure basis for investment in the club, which is what I have always said.
Whether it can be resolved cheaply I doubt, but it is a significant problem and will get worse as the clock runs down.
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I'm going to watch later it later but did they come across as transparent or opaque 🤔
I am concerned about claims made by @Lordflashheart that they were already looking to sell up. Anyone else heard this?
I think it is more likely that we need two years of funded progress to get to the championship, so I sincerely hope they afford us that.
Another thing and I'm sorry to upset the vocal minority, but 10% of the budget wasted on the Women's team ffs.
Apologies to Mr Short
"Even by my standards" cheek
What precedes it is you can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time.
Southall fooled (nearly) all of the people some of the time.
Methven isn’t really beholden to all of the people, just some of them, especially if they’re billionaires.
As much as I think he should be given a chance at Charlton, I wouldn't rely on just CM to give me the lowdown of a business before the multimillion pound acquisition. Don't they watch Dragon's Den???
Methven seems to make some people cringe and others dislike him because of his upbringing, colour of chino or his schooling. This all seems to manifest itself in the same people lumping him in with all the others. Not saying he's my first choice of person to be involved, but happy to give him and the owners a clean slate, with Jones at the help and see where it goes
Charlie now being the CEO doesn’t sit hugely comfortably with me but hopefully he’s learnt from his previous experiences and doesn’t start faffing about with walk on music etc.
I'm amazed that CAFC didn't drop down to League 2 (over the last few chaotic years) so hopefully the stench of Southall and Co, plus the Amateur Sandgaard family and the sleeping Landlord Roland Duchatelet and his muse Katrien Miere are History and will all end up in Room 101(Yes I know Duchatelet is still the owner of Valley and Sparrow lane)
If only the infrastructure on and off the pitch could improve in unison.
Without being contenders this season the owners of the club will continue to be criticized because it is a results business on the pitch.
Now about those solar panels...
The below is how it was reported by the Supporters Trust on X and how 1 supporter (not me) responded.
https://x.com/CAStrust/status/1806410468807885268?t=dVixwsOBb96idfLzQ9wluA&s=19
https://x.com/__reecer__/status/1806412236316926399?t=wgn8U9eIwc72Aw9w1fGq8A&s=19
https://x.com/CAStrust/status/1806413009520111667?t=S8tQWrU9EFopIiyjTfh-uA&s=19
https://x.com/__reecer__/status/1806416531225448618?t=St5uJQdX3myRTo_FjpumIw&s=19
Or both teams lose money so close both.
Neither of these are, IMHO, valid or desirable but neither team can currently exist without being bailed out by the owners. So if the owners want to lose 90% on the women's team and 10% on the women's team that is their choice. (I know 90/10 of costs may not be 90/10 of losses)
The women's team do however cost a lot less and are much nearer reaching a league where higher incomes are possible. This season they have contributed £750k to the pitch renovation through a grant that the men's team couldn't have won. The women's game is growing and attracting more interest and sponsorship and being associated with both sides will please a number of sponsors.
I think there is room for both teams and so it seems do the owners/funders.
What we also need for the whole club to function for the greater good is we need to be in the Championship (Men) and that for me should be where the focus should be in the short term. Until we acheive that, as so many of our previous owners have found, we will simply go nowhere
Whether they're any good remains to be seen.
Whether it can be resolved cheaply I doubt, but it is a significant problem and will get worse as the clock runs down.