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Stupidity Pt2
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His research was pretty comprehensive. Have you listened?Gribbo said:
Is Syed the official arbiter on this then?seth plum said:
I think what you’re describing used to be called ‘political correctness’ or ‘political correctness gone mad’.Gribbo said:I thought the word "woke" was originally intended to label people who got offended by words like "manhole" or "man size" tissues, and has then evolved from there.
The original meaning of the word ‘woke’ is covered in the podcasts I mentioned above.0 -
Like, the dictionary?seth plum said:
Yes language is a fluid thing. Does that also indicate that any word can mean anything an individual chooses it to mean, or does the validity of a word need some kind of agreement between those who share a common language?Off_it said:
Interesting that you mention the "origins" of words there. Because language is a fluid thing that is constantly evolving and the use and meaning of words can change over time and mean different things in different contexts - sometimes used completely validly in a context opposite to their original meaning. "Sick" is a good example of this in recent times.seth plum said:
No. I listened to the BBC podcast series created by Matthew Syed that investigated the origins of the word.addick19 said:
Are you serious? Or are you another who sees racism everywhere? God help us all.seth plum said:To be woke is to be prepared to stand up to racism.
Have you heard it by any chance?
"C*nt" is also a word that has different meanings depending on context.
But you know all that really.
If a word means everything, then it hardly means anything.
But you know all that really.2 -
A dictionary is a good starting point.
I don’t think you will find the adjective defined as objecting to man sized tissues.0 -
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I cannot see anything remotely woke, or PC (other culture war terms are, I'm sure, available) - it's just good old plain bloody common sense.Those guidelines that Mrs Stupid referred to are there for two main reasons - it protects the pupils (and I understand from the OP that the he was still a pupil, hence the reference to 'if they met the next day ...') from the potential of the teacher abusing his/her position of trust and/or power, and it also protects the teacher from the potential of a false allegation.If common sense is now 'woke' then we are all fucked.20
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Of course it doesn't. "Woke" means anti-racist and nothing else. Some bloke who listened to a podcast said so.bobmunro said:I cannot see anything remotely woke, or PC (other culture war terms are, I'm sure, available) - it's just good old plain bloody common sense.Those guidelines that Mrs Stupid referred to are there for two main reasons - it protects the pupils (and I understand from the OP that the he was still a pupil, hence the reference to 'if they met the next day ...') from the potential of the teacher abusing his/her position of trust and/or power, and it also protects the teacher from the potential of a false allegation.If common sense is now 'woke' then we are all fucked.10 -
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I would say that the main reason that 'woke' has become a pejorative word is that it generally represents the opposite of common sense.
I have a friend whom I consider intelligent, but who also said recently that he believes that it is possible for someone to be 'born in the wrong body'. Not the odd individual, but scaled up, potentially millions of human beings (not least because he was told by an 'expert' that this could represent anything up to 10-15% of the population; as evidenced by the student number at his HE institution). I asked him to rationally and logically interrogate this by e.g asking where all the individuals of our own (middle aged) generation were to which this presumably also applied, such as those who we attended school with - if this was the case; as statistically there would be many. Strangely, neither of us could think of a single example. Not one.
I struggled to have intellectual respect for him after that, although I understand that due to his position and the organisation that he worked in, as well as the bien-pensant middle class strata to which he belongs, that he simply had to 'believe' this or he risked professional and in some cases, social suicide. So, in this respect at least, he is acting logically.
I still found it a tad depressing, though. This is the correct 'belief' to have for those of a woke persuasion, but it is also a completely illogical case of magical thinking and delusion. Common sense, my arse!
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But strangely enough it's only people on the right who talk about woke so who's the boring ones?soapy_jones said:
AND bore the arse off of everyone...seth plum said:To be woke is to be prepared to stand up to racism.
There is stuff you just ain't allowed to do, I would be more worried that the educator in question, didn't realise he would kop shit for it!1 -
Plum is on the right?Bedsaddick said:
But strangely enough it's only people on the right who talk about woke so who's the boring ones?soapy_jones said:
AND bore the arse off of everyone...seth plum said:To be woke is to be prepared to stand up to racism.
There is stuff you just ain't allowed to do, I would be more worried that the educator in question, didn't realise he would kop shit for it!2 -
*THEY institutionbigstemarra said:I would say that the main reason that 'woke' has become a pejorative word is that it generally represents the opposite of common sense.
I have a friend whom I consider intelligent, but who also said recently that he believes that it is possible for someone to be 'born in the wrong body'. Not the odd individual, but scaled up, potentially millions of human beings (not least because he was told by an 'expert' that this could represent anything up to 10-15% of the population; as evidenced by the student number at his HE institution). I asked him to rationally and logically interrogate this by e.g asking where all the individuals of our own (middle aged) generation were to which this presumably also applied, such as those who we attended school with - if this was the case; as statistically there would be many. Strangely, neither of us could think of a single example. Not one.
I struggled to have intellectual respect for him after that, although I understand that due to his position and the organisation that he worked in, as well as the bien-pensant middle class strata to which he belongs, that he simply had to 'believe' this or he risked professional and in some cases, social suicide. So, in this respect at least, he is acting logically.
I still found it a tad depressing, though. This is the correct 'belief' to have for those of a woke persuasion, but it is also a completely illogical case of magical thinking and delusion. Common sense, my arse!7 -
Fair enough; my mistake.
I shall consider myself even more cancelled than normal and report for sensitivity training and re-education on Monday morning!1 -
I've got a plum on the right and leftSporadicAddick said:
Plum is on the right?Bedsaddick said:
But strangely enough it's only people on the right who talk about woke so who's the boring ones?soapy_jones said:
AND bore the arse off of everyone...seth plum said:To be woke is to be prepared to stand up to racism.
There is stuff you just ain't allowed to do, I would be more worried that the educator in question, didn't realise he would kop shit for it!4 -
.....one's lower than tother though3
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No but he wasn’t the first to mention woke . @R0TW did in the original thread title but he changed it . Seth was just explaining what it is to be woke. I don’t always agree with him but I do with him on this . Why woke is seen as an insult is beyond me .SporadicAddick said:
Plum is on the right?Bedsaddick said:
But strangely enough it's only people on the right who talk about woke so who's the boring ones?soapy_jones said:
AND bore the arse off of everyone...seth plum said:To be woke is to be prepared to stand up to racism.
There is stuff you just ain't allowed to do, I would be more worried that the educator in question, didn't realise he would kop shit for it!7 -
Anyone else from Chis and Sid in the 80s remember the maths teacher Mr Hankinson? Really nice bloke. Did an A level revision session on a pub bench in Shoreham.1
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See above. When it becomes akin to a religious belief requiring total, unquestioning adherence to utter nonsense on pain of excommunication (which it has), then it needs to be reasoned and ridiculed out of existence.Bedsaddick said:
No but he wasn’t the first to mention woke . @R0TW did in the original thread title but he changed it . Seth was just explaining what it is to be woke. I don’t always agree with him but I do with him on this . Why woke is seen as an insult is beyond me .SporadicAddick said:
Plum is on the right?Bedsaddick said:
But strangely enough it's only people on the right who talk about woke so who's the boring ones?soapy_jones said:
AND bore the arse off of everyone...seth plum said:To be woke is to be prepared to stand up to racism.
There is stuff you just ain't allowed to do, I would be more worried that the educator in question, didn't realise he would kop shit for it!
MLK made sense intellectually, empirically and morally. 'Woke' post-modernists attempting to 'update' his beliefs are intellectually, empirically and morally deficient. They have brought the contempt upon themselves.4 -
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Somebody needs to decide if 18 is adulthood or not.You can fight in a war etc, but don’t you dare go for a celebration drink with you tutor.2
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That’s not woke . That’s extremism but somehow the word woke fits some people’s agenda.bigstemarra said:
See above. When it becomes akin to a religious belief requiring total, unquestioning adherence to utter nonsense on pain of excommunication (which it has), then it needs to be reasoned and ridiculed out of existence.Bedsaddick said:
No but he wasn’t the first to mention woke . @R0TW did in the original thread title but he changed it . Seth was just explaining what it is to be woke. I don’t always agree with him but I do with him on this . Why woke is seen as an insult is beyond me .SporadicAddick said:
Plum is on the right?Bedsaddick said:
But strangely enough it's only people on the right who talk about woke so who's the boring ones?soapy_jones said:
AND bore the arse off of everyone...seth plum said:To be woke is to be prepared to stand up to racism.
There is stuff you just ain't allowed to do, I would be more worried that the educator in question, didn't realise he would kop shit for it!
MLK made sense intellectually, empirically and morally. 'Woke' post-modernists attempting to 'update' his beliefs are intellectually, empirically and morally deficient. They have brought the contempt upon themselves.4 -
Just to clarify a few points.
My son and his class have officially left school.
The IB results were issued two weeks ago on line.
He smashed it getting 5 x 7s, and one 6.
The important 7 was maths which has now got him a place at LSE.
The maths teacher knew how much it meant to his class, and the whole class agreed to meet in the pub on the main road that does pizzas (Rose & Crown). Nothing too sinister. The agreement was a couple of hours as a simple congratulation gathering.
They are all 18 years old and no doubt recently voted in the elections.
I think they should be capable of making a decision of this nature without putting their excellent teachers career in jeopardy.
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Blimey, what would they have made of us back in about 1978. We went on a geography field trip to Penzance, a mixed group of boys and girls. Stayed in the geography teachers parents B&B, had a drink each night, one boy broke an arm or leg can't remember which climbing a drainpipe to get into his girlfriend's room. It was a right old laugh. Suppose these days we wouldn't have made it out through the school gates.2
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Agree entirely.R0TW said:Just to clarify a few points.
My son and his class have officially left school.
The IB results were issued two weeks ago on line.
He smashed it getting 5 x 7s, and one 6.
The important 7 was maths which has now got him a place at LSE.
The maths teacher knew how much it meant to his class, and the whole class agreed to meet in the pub on the main road that does pizzas (Rose & Crown). Nothing too sinister. The agreement was a couple of hours as a simple congratulation gathering.
They are all 18 years old and no doubt recently voted in the elections.
I think they should be capable of making a decision of this nature without putting their excellent teachers career in jeopardy.1 -
Absolutely no one left or right ever got offended by those words or ever wanted those terms banned . It’s the likes of The Daily Mail and The Sun that got offended on behalf of the idiots who read their rags and can’t work out for themselves that its utter nonsense.Gribbo said:I thought the word "woke" was originally intended to label people who got offended by words like "manhole" or "man size" tissues, and has then evolved from there.10 -
The kind of response I would expect from someone who has carved out a lucrative career from HR.bobmunro said:I cannot see anything remotely woke, or PC (other culture war terms are, I'm sure, available) - it's just good old plain bloody common sense.Those guidelines that Mrs Stupid referred to are there for two main reasons - it protects the pupils (and I understand from the OP that the he was still a pupil, hence the reference to 'if they met the next day ...') from the potential of the teacher abusing his/her position of trust and/or power, and it also protects the teacher from the potential of a false allegation.If common sense is now 'woke' then we are all fucked.3 -
I think that pretty irrelevant and whether it was a conspiracy dreamed up by the Mail or Sun (I've never read either), or not, the point still stands.Bedsaddick said:
Absolutely no one left or right ever got offended by those words or ever wanted those terms banned . It’s the likes of The Daily Mail and The Sun that got offended on behalf of the idiots who read their rags and can’t work out for themselves that its utter nonsense.Gribbo said:I thought the word "woke" was originally intended to label people who got offended by words like "manhole" or "man size" tissues, and has then evolved from there.
Nb - I weren't saying I agree with it, or ever went for it0
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