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Charlton Banksy, on Westmoor St *very new
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Criminal damage :-)guinnessaddick said:To be fair, drawings on a wall is the oldest form of art.
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Quite a few people have significantly increased their bank accounts as a result of a Banksy being painted on their property.valleynick66 said:
Until it’s on your property or all over your immediate neighbourhood then you might see it differently.Off_it said:
Why? Why does art have to be stuck away in a gallery to get "recognition"? And recognition from who?SporadicAddick said:I hate graffiti. It's the scourge of every town and city in the UK and why people accept it, and even celebrate it, is beyond me.
At its heart, it's criminal damage. It creates an environment in which low level crime is perceived as being tolerated, and acts as a gateway to higher levels.
It looks shit. Why is "Banksy's art" any different from the ineligible scrawls on walls, railway embankments, bridges and buildings that we see everywhere? That shouldn't be tolerated, and neither should "Banksy".
If you want to produce art, do what thousands of other artists do - produce it and put it in a gallery.
TBH, the argument against graffiti is strong, but that doesn't mean that what is clearly recognised widely to be art should be classed as graffiti solely because of its location and medium.
In fairness, as well, in a number of major cities (thinking mostly US cities and Berlin) there are clear examples of what was originally considered to be graffiti morphing into art, just as the Banksy phenomenon has done in the UK (and elsewhere). The cases are vanishingly rare, however, where it happens on private property, it's mostly in public areas on public property (such as mass transit and the Berlin Wall).2 -
Yeah graffiti and street Art are 2 completely different things.2
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What about people who have had their property damaged because people have tagged over the top so now just have ugly graffiti or people have stolen it leaving damage to their propertyNornIrishAddick said:
Quite a few people have significantly increased their bank accounts as a result of a Banksy being painted on their property.valleynick66 said:
Until it’s on your property or all over your immediate neighbourhood then you might see it differently.Off_it said:
Why? Why does art have to be stuck away in a gallery to get "recognition"? And recognition from who?SporadicAddick said:I hate graffiti. It's the scourge of every town and city in the UK and why people accept it, and even celebrate it, is beyond me.
At its heart, it's criminal damage. It creates an environment in which low level crime is perceived as being tolerated, and acts as a gateway to higher levels.
It looks shit. Why is "Banksy's art" any different from the ineligible scrawls on walls, railway embankments, bridges and buildings that we see everywhere? That shouldn't be tolerated, and neither should "Banksy".
If you want to produce art, do what thousands of other artists do - produce it and put it in a gallery.
TBH, the argument against graffiti is strong, but that doesn't mean that what is clearly recognised widely to be art should be classed as graffiti solely because of its location and medium.
In fairness, as well, in a number of major cities (thinking mostly US cities and Berlin) there are clear examples of what was originally considered to be graffiti morphing into art, just as the Banksy phenomenon has done in the UK (and elsewhere). The cases are vanishingly rare, however, where it happens on private property, it's mostly in public areas on public property (such as mass transit and the Berlin Wall).0 -
I was always surprised when I went over to Europe the amount of graffiti there was compared to London. Some of it looked ok more street art than graffiti but there was also a lot especially tags are on the most part horrendous.0
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A genuine Bonksy...🤦♂️shine166 said:On Westmoor Street, announced 20 mins ago
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Someone has stolen it already.
Or has it been moved due to the new parking restrictions on match days?
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Awww no rhino cock!guinnessaddick said:Someone has stolen it already.
Or has it been moved due to the new parking restrictions on match days?
Good photo op though, some people go to pisa and take photos like they’re holding the tower up, come to Charlton and pretend to get bummed by a rhino24 -
Well , he is a horny bastard.cafcdave123 said:
Awww no rhino cock!guinnessaddick said:Someone has stolen it already.
Or has it been moved due to the new parking restrictions on match days?
Good photo op though, some people go to pisa and take photos like they’re holding the tower up, come to Charlton and pretend to get bummed by a rhino2 -
On your knees, hands behind your head. Dare youcafcdave123 said:
Awww no rhino cock!guinnessaddick said:Someone has stolen it already.
Or has it been moved due to the new parking restrictions on match days?
Good photo op though, some people go to pisa and take photos like they’re holding the tower up, come to Charlton and pretend to get bummed by a rhino4 - Sponsored links:
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Why have they put ET and his mates in a skirt?guinnessaddick said:To be fair, drawings on a wall is the oldest form of art.
Bloody woke cavemen!1 -
RMS saw an opportunity. I wonder who removed the car?
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Question is, was the car already there, or was it part of the "installation"?0
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I've been having visions of Banksy a southeast Londoner getting fed up of that bloody abandoned micra he passes on his walk to the station every day. He spends his miserable time on an overcrowded, sweaty southeastern train queuing to get into London Bridge plotting how he can make something of it. In a fit of rage after a shit day in the office he slashes the back tyres and throws a discarded traffic cone at it. And in that moment his inspiration comes to him!Off_it said:Question is, was the car already there, or was it part of the "installation"?
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Couldn't see the car on Google maps. There are however a row of RMS lorries parked along that stretch and impossible to see if the car is there then (2024 street view apparently).0
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I’m sure he’ll never have heard that suggestion before.golfaddick said:Love it.
If someone called Banksy (who doesn't like to identity himself) can graffiti a wall why can't someone else doodle over it.
Banksy mate.....if you want your art to be appreciated then paint it on a canvas & frame it. If not, be prepared for the consequences.0 -
Interesting how banksy's work opens up the argument about private property, whether it means a property is defaced or damaged by graffiti or who owns the wall on which the work appears - and consequently who thinks they have a right to either be offended or claim it as theirs.0
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So the Peckham wolf was painted on a satellite dish but that was part of the installation so no-one could claim it as stolen when it was lifted from the roof, if reports and street view is to be believed. Possibly the only offence commuted was trespass, not theft nor criminal damage.
Compare this to the road sign that was stolen in Southwark- the council instructed the police (?), and arrests were made. Public property defaced and stolen had different consequences.
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The one in Cheltenham got complicated 10 years ago where spies were painted on a party wall. I don't know the outcome but the person who thought they were the owner of the wall started removal then seemingly had to stop when challenged.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/entertainment-arts-28462835
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Council removed car because someone had already put graffiti in white paint on the painting. They did say they were going to cover it up to stop more vandalism0
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@shine166 have you got a piece of Banksy’s art? And has he got a piece of yours?
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Dunno about the King's new clothes, Charlie is usually in a fairly tidy looking suit unless he's on some wind blasted celtic hillside when he'll sport a Barbour, nobody seems to comment on whether he's been out in this, that or another whistle before. Unlike all his female rellys who get the nth degree over every inch of their clobber, must be tiresome.Raith_C_Chattonell said:I wonder if it's a case of the Kings new clothes sometimes.
This is 'must have' stencil art work which people buy primarily to sell at a profit
The balloon girl was purchased at auction for £1,042,000, moments later it partially shredded, but the buyer decided to keep it anyway. She re-titled the work as 'Love is in the bin', re-auctioned it and got 18.5 million pounds.
Robbie Williams is said to be a big fan of Banksy, but despite this he sold two of his pieces for seven million - who wouldn't be a fan at that amount of profit?
It was always the Emperor's new clothes that everybody thought they had to agree to like, for fear of something or other.
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They have now covered it with a bit of plastic. Had a security guard there.0
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Probably wasn’t even ULEZ compliant 😆😉Off_it said:Question is, was the car already there, or was it part of the "installation"?1 -
I do, I very much doubt that 😆. Admittedly I am a bit of a fan boy, been to all the big shows over the years, Palestine hotel etc. Prints and paintings go to VIPs/long standing collectors now days but for £1000 you can get an entry level piece on the secondary market.AFKABartram said:@shine166 have you got a piece of Banksy’s art? And has he got a piece of yours?1 -
How much is your banksy worth and where do you live?shine166 said:
I do, I very much doubt that 😆. Admittedly I am a bit of a fan boy, been to all the big shows over the years, Palestine hotel etc. Prints and paintings go to VIPs/long standing collectors now days but for £1000 you can get an entry level piece on the secondary market.AFKABartram said:@shine166 have you got a piece of Banksy’s art? And has he got a piece of yours?4 -
Valentines Day Mascara was painted using an already dumped fridge in Margate, suspect the car may well have been similarly already there.Off_it said:Question is, was the car already there, or was it part of the "installation"?0 -
I think it was part of the installation, it looked as if the rear suspension had been adjusted to make it appear as if then Rhino was on top...valleynick66 said:
Probably wasn’t even ULEZ compliant 😆😉Off_it said:Question is, was the car already there, or was it part of the "installation"?0
