Was hoping this wouldn’t deteriorate into a Brexit thing. If it does, it’s a pity. I was hoping that that it would lead to how this was going to be implemented and what it means for the average traveller.
Agree. And to that we don’t yet have firm plans.
They will have to think about implementation practicalities as it impacts on all sides. No pain no gain I suspect though initially.
Travelled back from Spain today via Gibraltar. When we got to the Spain/Gibraltar border there was a bit of a queue. Not really sure why this was but all of a sudden the queue started to move quite quickly. When we got inside the building all the EU passport holders were passing through to the side of the booth with just a flash of their passports, while us Brits had to queue to get our passports stamped.
When the last of the EU citizens waiting had passed through the border guard drew the retractable belt across the barrier and in a jokey way with a smile on his face said 'yes, this is because of Brexit'
It's at ports like Dover where this will have the biggest impact, as at busy times there's limited space. Eurotunnel has been installing many booths where fingerprints can be taken and your data input. The cost of this is likely to be passed onto travellers.
The EU is protecting its borders and ensuring that visitors from a third country like the UK, don't stay in the country longer than is allowed.
Travelled back from Spain today via Gibraltar. When we got to the Spain/Gibraltar border there was a bit of a queue. Not really sure why this was but all of a sudden the queue started to move quite quickly. When we got inside the building all the EU passport holders were passing through to the side of the booth with just a flash of their passports, while us Brits had to queue to get our passports stamped.
When the last of the EU citizens waiting had passed through the border guard drew the retractable belt across the barrier and in a jokey way with a smile on his face said 'yes, this is because of Brexit'
The Spanish immigration have always been twats at the border between gib and la linea. As someone who used to do that route regularly trust me, nothing to do with brexit.
Can you arrange for the EES biometrics online before you go to airport for trip, if so, how? I can envisage thousands missing their plane due to delays completing the bureaucratic box ticking.
I think that the first time you travel it will take longer as you register the required info. After that it will be more straight forward.
In Kent where the impact is likely to be greatest, there has been a lot of discussion on tv and in the media. I understand that at Dover, a device like an iPad will be passed to passengers in their vehicles, so each person can log their details.
Was hoping this wouldn’t deteriorate into a Brexit thing. If it does, it’s a pity. I was hoping that that it would lead to how this was going to be implemented and what it means for the average traveller.
Must have forgotten when you typed : I remember when you were just waived thru 🤦♂️
Travelled back from Spain today via Gibraltar. When we got to the Spain/Gibraltar border there was a bit of a queue. Not really sure why this was but all of a sudden the queue started to move quite quickly. When we got inside the building all the EU passport holders were passing through to the side of the booth with just a flash of their passports, while us Brits had to queue to get our passports stamped.
When the last of the EU citizens waiting had passed through the border guard drew the retractable belt across the barrier and in a jokey way with a smile on his face said 'yes, this is because of Brexit'
The Spanish immigration have always been twats at the border between gib and la linea. As someone who used to do that route regularly trust me, nothing to do with brexit.
It wasnt necessary for UK passport holders to get their passports stamped before we left the EU.
Travelled back from Spain today via Gibraltar. When we got to the Spain/Gibraltar border there was a bit of a queue. Not really sure why this was but all of a sudden the queue started to move quite quickly. When we got inside the building all the EU passport holders were passing through to the side of the booth with just a flash of their passports, while us Brits had to queue to get our passports stamped.
When the last of the EU citizens waiting had passed through the border guard drew the retractable belt across the barrier and in a jokey way with a smile on his face said 'yes, this is because of Brexit'
The Spanish immigration have always been twats at the border between gib and la linea. As someone who used to do that route regularly trust me, nothing to do with brexit.
Yes, I know that's been the case for years but did it not affect everyone then?
Travelled back from Spain today via Gibraltar. When we got to the Spain/Gibraltar border there was a bit of a queue. Not really sure why this was but all of a sudden the queue started to move quite quickly. When we got inside the building all the EU passport holders were passing through to the side of the booth with just a flash of their passports, while us Brits had to queue to get our passports stamped.
When the last of the EU citizens waiting had passed through the border guard drew the retractable belt across the barrier and in a jokey way with a smile on his face said 'yes, this is because of Brexit'
The Spanish immigration have always been twats at the border between gib and la linea. As someone who used to do that route regularly trust me, nothing to do with brexit.
Remember coming home from Munich once and those on the security desk made me show them what I had filmed on my camcorder. Held me back about 45 minutes. Just made the flight.
Was hoping this wouldn’t deteriorate into a Brexit thing. If it does, it’s a pity. I was hoping that that it would lead to how this was going to be implemented and what it means for the average traveller.
Must have forgotten when you typed : I remember when you were just waived thru 🤦♂️
Well that’s fairly pertinent to a discussion on new documentation and fees where none existed before. It doesn’t need to focus on the whys or wherefores. That’s now history. What I wanted to find out from my original post was how it’s going to impact travellers not why.
Travelled back from Spain today via Gibraltar. When we got to the Spain/Gibraltar border there was a bit of a queue. Not really sure why this was but all of a sudden the queue started to move quite quickly. When we got inside the building all the EU passport holders were passing through to the side of the booth with just a flash of their passports, while us Brits had to queue to get our passports stamped.
When the last of the EU citizens waiting had passed through the border guard drew the retractable belt across the barrier and in a jokey way with a smile on his face said 'yes, this is because of Brexit'
The Spanish immigration have always been twats at the border between gib and la linea. As someone who used to do that route regularly trust me, nothing to do with brexit.
Remember coming home from Munich once and those on the security desk made me show them what I had filmed on my camcorder. Held me back about 45 minutes. Just made the flight.
Sounds pretty deliberate mate. Never really had any issues with foreign immigration other than the Spanish at Gib.
Travelled back from Spain today via Gibraltar. When we got to the Spain/Gibraltar border there was a bit of a queue. Not really sure why this was but all of a sudden the queue started to move quite quickly. When we got inside the building all the EU passport holders were passing through to the side of the booth with just a flash of their passports, while us Brits had to queue to get our passports stamped.
When the last of the EU citizens waiting had passed through the border guard drew the retractable belt across the barrier and in a jokey way with a smile on his face said 'yes, this is because of Brexit'
The Spanish immigration have always been twats at the border between gib and la linea. As someone who used to do that route regularly trust me, nothing to do with brexit.
Remember coming home from Munich once and those on the security desk made me show them what I had filmed on my camcorder. Held me back about 45 minutes. Just made the flight.
Sounds pretty deliberate mate. Never really had any issues with foreign immigration other than the Spanish at Gib.
Indeed had I not charged the battery to it overnight not sure what they would have done and not sure what they were looking for..
Just had tourist crap on it they would have seen a thousand times.
Can you arrange for the EES biometrics online before you go to airport for trip, if so, how? I can envisage thousands missing their plane due to delays completing the bureaucratic box ticking.
I would imagine if you don’t have the process sorted before, the. It’s pointless going to the airport
The EES part is having your picture taken and additionally finger prints.
Photo routinely taken at Many airports already.
Don’t see how you can do your fingerprints online beforehand if it’s to be secure?
I think it’s just been reported that first time you travel within Europe when introduced there will be an additional 5 mins to get the fingerprints first recorded - at least that’s what I’ve understood.
How many people are on an average plane?
Quite a few. What’s your point?
can’t say i routinely sail through many airport passport controls currently (or before Brexit) and can often recall few staff and seemingly surly staff perusing passports slowly.
Its up to the EU as to how they will implement not the UK.
If the EU want it then it will need to be followed.
My point being that it will take an awfully long time to process UK (and other 3rd country) passengers. At least initially.
My last experience, a couple of months, ago was passing through Heraklion, Crete airport. I think they had 4 non-EU passport holder desks open at border control.
Assuming, say 180 passengers on my flight and your 5 minutes processing time, that's a total of 900 minutes in total, or 3.75 hours for each of us in the queue.
That's with just one flight landing. No idea what volume of flights pass through in July/August but I certainly won't be booking any flights until the implementation date is a lot clearer or until after it's bedded in.
Your "5 min" processing time sounds inconsequential in theory, but multiply that up by the number of passengers on a cruise for example, and that's a whole world of pain for what should be an enjoyable experience.
If this means we can get through at closer to the speeds we did pre Brexit in Germany and France (the only two countries who I have seen deliberately slow down immigration queues, Italy and Spain bar Gibraltar for example, are easy as anything, almost as if it's malicious...) then it's welcome from me. Albeit the 7 Euros and filling in an online form might break me financially and sounds like it's insanely hard
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When we got to the Spain/Gibraltar border there was a bit of a queue. Not really sure why this was but all of a sudden the queue started to move quite quickly. When we got inside the building all the EU passport holders were passing through to the side of the booth with just a flash of their passports, while us Brits had to queue to get our passports stamped.
When the last of the EU citizens waiting had passed through the border guard drew the retractable belt across the barrier and in a jokey way with a smile on his face said 'yes, this is because of Brexit'
The EU is protecting its borders and ensuring that visitors from a third country like the UK, don't stay in the country longer than is allowed.
In Kent where the impact is likely to be greatest, there has been a lot of discussion on tv and in the media. I understand that at Dover, a device like an iPad will be passed to passengers in their vehicles, so each person can log their details.
Just had tourist crap on it they would have seen a thousand times.
My last experience, a couple of months, ago was passing through Heraklion, Crete airport. I think they had 4 non-EU passport holder desks open at border control.
Assuming, say 180 passengers on my flight and your 5 minutes processing time, that's a total of 900 minutes in total, or 3.75 hours for each of us in the queue.
That's with just one flight landing. No idea what volume of flights pass through in July/August but I certainly won't be booking any flights until the implementation date is a lot clearer or until after it's bedded in.
Your "5 min" processing time sounds inconsequential in theory, but multiply that up by the number of passengers on a cruise for example, and that's a whole world of pain for what should be an enjoyable experience.
The automated eGates must completely dumfound them.
I also love the stamps in my passport!