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Dean Kiely and Steve Brown at Bromley Addicks on 5 December
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Superb meeting and thanks to all for organising and the speakers for making time to come along.
Random points that came up to reflect on
- Steve B. commented that our spend was about £11m ie top 6 spend.....(I was guessing at £8m and was surprised by this high figure)
- we are carrying a lot of dead weight (my choice of words) from previous owners/recruitment with players wages still being paid to those who have moved on to other clubs. Name was mentioned.
-size of spend and performance in league table will be scrutinised, hence NJ will be under pressure
_ Steve B was clear that "booing" does not help in anyway and undermines team. Some players cannot handle it. (IMO why should they have to?)
-DeanK felt that sort of reaction may result in the dressing room closing the doors to the outside whether its ownership, or fans and using it as a motivation. He felt unaffected by negative reactions.
SB related how after a poor game and 0-4 defeat a W.Ham he had been shocked by the abuse he had got when he went to our " fans".
Discussion of star players leaving under a cloud- mainly Scott Parker and Lyle Taylor (abit). Rumour was Scott Parker left as he had a "gentleman's agreement" with club that if a top 4 side came in for him he could go. Then we were 4th and Chelsea were outside the top 4 so the club argued that they weren't a top 4 club despite the fact he was offered massively more money. So a dispute that was resolved by SP going to training and refusing to kick a ball.
In both cases SP/LT Steve B. sided with the player citing risk of injury if they played/delayed their move and life changing sums of money and career advancement. He did mention LT was contracted to play ( this is actually not a differential as SP was under contract as well). Chairman strongly disagreed with SP methods .
Audience pointed out that players are treated like commodities by a club also another audience member that once they had left it was done and dusted.
there was comment that it was sad that SP mayn't be welcome back at the club ( IMO ridiculous after this many years)
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I was involved in an assessment of a former professional footballer who had dementia, it was believed to be attributed to the heading of the ball over many decades. A charity had been set up in Doncaster to assist with ex-players and as suggested, there is very limited resources for these former legends (or otherwise) thta gave us joy through their careers. To witness a physically fit healthy manwoyh no comprehension of the world he inhabited, was very saddening, especially seeing the challenges facing his lovely family.Mendonca In Asdas said:
Some absolute horrendous stories given, by Brownie re families just after a bit of respite from dementia, from ex players that have it, really hope this initiative gets traction, and takes off.Henry Irving said:Steve spoke very well about the ex-players association and wanting to create a "hardship" fund for players or families having a hard time.
Dean isn't a fan of Harry Rednapp.1 -
I'd like to apologise for the word ridiculous in the above. It was a lazy shorthand tfor the emotional attachment fans have for a club and players compared to career aspirations and business attitude of players and clubs. Kinda fighting against the wind and tide to expect loyalty from a player.KingKinsella said:
Superb meeting and thanks to all for organising and the speakers for making time to come along.
Random points that came up to reflect on
- Steve B. commented that our spend was about £11m ie top 6 spend.....(I was guessing at £8m and was surprised by this high figure)
- we are carrying a lot of dead weight (my choice of words) from previous owners/recruitment with players wages still being paid to those who have moved on to other clubs. Name was mentioned.
-size of spend and performance in league table will be scrutinised, hence NJ will be under pressure
_ Steve B was clear that "booing" does not help in anyway and undermines team. Some players cannot handle it. (IMO why should they have to?)
-DeanK felt that sort of reaction may result in the dressing room closing the doors to the outside whether its ownership, or fans and using it as a motivation. He felt unaffected by negative reactions.
SB related how after a poor game and 0-4 defeat a W.Ham he had been shocked by the abuse he had got when he went to our " fans".
Discussion of star players leaving under a cloud- mainly Scott Parker and Lyle Taylor (abit). Rumour was Scott Parker left as he had a "gentleman's agreement" with club that if a top 4 side came in for him he could go. Then we were 4th and Chelsea were outside the top 4 so the club argued that they weren't a top 4 club despite the fact he was offered massively more money. So a dispute that was resolved by SP going to training and refusing to kick a ball.
In both cases SP/LT Steve B. sided with the player citing risk of injury if they played/delayed their move and life changing sums of money and career advancement. He did mention LT was contracted to play ( this is actually not a differential as SP was under contract as well). Chairman strongly disagreed with SP methods .
Audience pointed out that players are treated like commodities by a club also another audience member that once they had left it was done and dusted.
there was comment that it was sad that SP mayn't be welcome back at the club ( IMO ridiculous after this many years)0 -
So we mustn’t boo after witnessing crap hoofball week after week because it “undermines” the team & some players can’t handle it? FFS at least they take home a nice wage, whereas our loyal fans spend lots of money travelling round the country following the team 🤦🏻♀️ We can’t handle having had a decade of mostly dross, utter rubbish & the odd crisis, but we carry on regardless.15
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Fuck Scott Parker, only way I'd ever forgive him is if he wrote a 1000 word essay apologising and got us back to the Premier league as manager, all while booing him every game. Then and only then should he be welcome. Him leaving genuinely changed the trajectory of our club, we would have got Europe if he didn't leave imo.
I understand his point about booing, but it's also bollocks in a way. If you give players an easy ride, they'll go hiding and coast games, seen it many times here. I don't like booing or jeering players, but if it gives them a bit of motivation, so be it. I think we have been too nice for too long and players know when they sign they'll get an easy ride from us. Empty stadium, tolerant fans, no real edge to the games. I think sometimes you need to show your disappointment or complacency sets in.
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Not what either player said and the post your responding to wasn't a fair reflection of what the players said either.ParkinsonOut said:So we mustn’t boo after witnessing crap hoofball week after week because it “undermines” the team & some players can’t handle it? FFS at least they take home a nice wage, whereas our loyal fans spend lots of money travelling round the country following the team 🤦🏻♀️ We can’t handle having had a decade of mostly dross, utter rubbish & the odd crisis, but we carry on regardless.
They were asked if booing effected players and they said it did but that players had ways of coping with it. Some would shake it off, others would crumble and maybe move down the leagues while some dressing rooms would create a siege mentality.
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Most players, normally not from our youth system, would say, "sod the fans as long as I get my money every month or they pay up my contract, why should I care"2
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If the players were shocked by the booing at HT and FT on Tuesday, I'd be amazed. Indeed I'm sure a few of the players must hate the ineffective hoofball we play as well.
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We cant boo if they play badly but they can come over to the fans and do a cringeworthy celebration when we beat Orient first game of the season
Fuck that. If I can't boo I wont clap either. Can't have it both ways.3 -
Not what was said and Deano and Browny didn't play v Orient last seasongolfaddick said:We cant boo if they play badly but they can come over to the fans and do a cringeworthy celebration when we beat Orient first game of the season
Fuck that. If I can't boo I wont clap either. Can't have it both ways.2 - Sponsored links:
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They also said the fans paid their money and were entitled to their opinion/boo if they chose to.Henry Irving said:
Not what either player said and the post your responding to wasn't a fair reflection of what the players said either.ParkinsonOut said:So we mustn’t boo after witnessing crap hoofball week after week because it “undermines” the team & some players can’t handle it? FFS at least they take home a nice wage, whereas our loyal fans spend lots of money travelling round the country following the team 🤦🏻♀️ We can’t handle having had a decade of mostly dross, utter rubbish & the odd crisis, but we carry on regardless.
They were asked if booing effected players and they said it did but that players had ways of coping with it. Some would shake it off, others would crumble and maybe move down the leagues while some dressing rooms would create a siege mentality.3 -
It shows the difference between players and fans. Fans have long memories , Scott Parker wouldn't be welcomed back. Lyle Taylor will never be forgiven.7
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I'm glad I'm not the only one.Covered End said:
They also said the fans paid their money and were entitled to their opinion boo if they chose to.Henry Irving said:
Not what either player said and the post your responding to wasn't a fair reflection of what the players said either.ParkinsonOut said:So we mustn’t boo after witnessing crap hoofball week after week because it “undermines” the team & some players can’t handle it? FFS at least they take home a nice wage, whereas our loyal fans spend lots of money travelling round the country following the team 🤦🏻♀️ We can’t handle having had a decade of mostly dross, utter rubbish & the odd crisis, but we carry on regardless.
They were asked if booing effected players and they said it did but that players had ways of coping with it. Some would shake it off, others would crumble and maybe move down the leagues while some dressing rooms would create a siege mentality.
But then again we were actually at the meeting!2 -
99% of players could not give a f*** as long as their wages are paid on time. It is just a job for them.ross1 said:Most players, normally not from our youth system, would say, "sod the fans as long as I get my money every month or they pay up my contract, why should I care"1 -
Clearly we're wasting our time organising these meetings, inviting along respected old players and asking them questions when all we need to do is to get the answers is read CL.ElfsborgAddick said:
99% of players could not give a f*** as long as their wages are paid on time. It is just a job for them.ross1 said:Most players, normally not from our youth system, would say, "sod the fans as long as I get my money every month or they pay up my contract, why should I care"7 -
You should get some blue plaque style stickers made up for him.Henry Irving said:When Deano goes out on the pitch pre-game at Selhurst he asks the grounds staff why there isn't a blue plaque on the post saving "Dean Kiely saved Andy Johnson's penalty here". He then reminds them that Dennis scored at the other end.
As someone at the meeting reminded us all, that was exactly 20 years ago yesterday.
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Well it’s taken you 18 years but you’re finally learning :-)Henry Irving said:
Clearly we're wasting our time organising these meetings, inviting along respected old players and asking them questions when all we need to do is to get the answers is read CL.ElfsborgAddick said:
99% of players could not give a f*** as long as their wages are paid on time. It is just a job for them.ross1 said:Most players, normally not from our youth system, would say, "sod the fans as long as I get my money every month or they pay up my contract, why should I care"10 -
Very good evening.Henry Irving said:
Clearly we're wasting our time organising these meetings, inviting along respected old players and asking them questions when all we need to do is to get the answers is read CL.ElfsborgAddick said:
99% of players could not give a f*** as long as their wages are paid on time. It is just a job for them.ross1 said:Most players, normally not from our youth system, would say, "sod the fans as long as I get my money every month or they pay up my contract, why should I care"
Going on this thread today, my suggestion would be announce the meeting on Charlton life and leave the actual meeting in the room.
Just one of the downsides of the Internet/ social media.
Some of those at the meeting are trying to relay the meeting and those not there can take it the wrong way.3 -
As someone who is unable to attend these meetings through infirmity I really enjoy the reports from members who are able to attend.
Thank you.17 -
Not watching but it appears Browny was saying on CharltonTV how well the night went.
@killerjerrylee and I got called "sensible"!!!!1 - Sponsored links:
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My comment was a generalization, and not aimed at what is done with Bromley.Henry Irving said:
Clearly we're wasting our time organising these meetings, inviting along respected old players and asking them questions when all we need to do is to get the answers is read CL.ElfsborgAddick said:
99% of players could not give a f*** as long as their wages are paid on time. It is just a job for them.ross1 said:Most players, normally not from our youth system, would say, "sod the fans as long as I get my money every month or they pay up my contract, why should I care"
Reading back through posts you will see I am very supportive of what is done.1
