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Went to Dumpton Park many moons ago.Simonsen said:This thread got me thinking; I've been dog racing at the following...
Catford
Haringey
Hackney
Aldershot
Exeter
Belle Vue
Slough
Wembley
Wimbledon
Walthamstow
Wonder if any of those still exist and host meetings?0 -
Simonsen said:This thread got me thinking; I've been dog racing at the following...
Catford
Haringey
Hackney
Aldershot
Exeter
Belle Vue
Slough
Wembley
Wimbledon
Walthamstow
Wonder if any of those still exist and host meetings?No according to this listhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Defunct_greyhound_racing_venues_in_the_United_Kingdom
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Jesus....paulbaconsarnie said:Simonsen said:This thread got me thinking; I've been dog racing at the following...
Catford
Haringey
Hackney
Aldershot
Exeter
Belle Vue
Slough
Wembley
Wimbledon
Walthamstow
Wonder if any of those still exist and host meetings?No according to this listhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Defunct_greyhound_racing_venues_in_the_United_Kingdom0 -
Went Owlerton in Sheffield a few times in the 80s when a student, was a good night.1
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My Dad used to drive up there from Ickenham for the Boxing Day morning meeting! Part of it was a Xmas social visit to big mates in Barnsley but a lot of it was for some serious action.BrentfordAddick said:Went Owlerton in Sheffield a few times in the 80s when a student, was a good night.0 -
I hope "Birchie" is reading this thread. Charlton die-hard going back to the early 80s and dog correspondent for the Racing Post.0
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Simonsen said:
Jesus....paulbaconsarnie said:Simonsen said:This thread got me thinking; I've been dog racing at the following...
Catford
Haringey
Hackney
Aldershot
Exeter
Belle Vue
Slough
Wembley
Wimbledon
Walthamstow
Wonder if any of those still exist and host meetings?No according to this listhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Defunct_greyhound_racing_venues_in_the_United_Kingdom
Prior to 1961 the only 'legal' betting was on course - horses or greyhounds accounted for 95% of all betting (how times change - with football now the overwhelming betting medium). A day at the race track was a lot more expensive and a lot less accessible than a night at the dogs, and I think I'm right in saying that in the 30s/40s/50s total spectator attendance at dog tracks was second only to football. Betting shops opening from 1961 changed the betting industry completely and if you wanted a bet on horses or dogs you could pop in to your local bookies. Attendances at both sports subsequently fell off a cliff and I'm guessing most of those dog track closures came after 1961.
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In my first job as a warehouse boy the foreman used to bet on greyhound racing and he would tell me he did ‘five and three reverse forecast doubles through the card’. An absolutely marvellous sentence that sounded both poetic and mumbo jumbo to my young ears.3
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seth plum said:In my first job as a warehouse boy the foreman used to bet on greyhound racing and he would tell me he did ‘five and three reverse forecast doubles through the card’. An absolutely marvellous sentence that sounded both poetic and mumbo jumbo to my young ears.8 races 112 bets, 10 races 180 bets.Way back when, punters in the shops used to do those for 1p (so £1.12 or £1.80 respectively). 1-2 and 6-5 were the most popular trap combinations and the first thing I would look at was how many 1-2 or 6-5 came in!3
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All true Bob, but you are forgetting that on course betting at that time was Tax free. Whereas your betting shop winnings were Taxed at 8% I think. So it was still viable to actually go to the track. After some time, on course betting was Taxed as well. The tax direct to the punter was ceased in 2001 and the Bookmakers concerned paid the tax from their profits. So pretty much the same, but collected from the bookie directly and not the punter, via the bookie to HMRC.bobmunro said:Simonsen said:
Jesus....paulbaconsarnie said:Simonsen said:This thread got me thinking; I've been dog racing at the following...
Catford
Haringey
Hackney
Aldershot
Exeter
Belle Vue
Slough
Wembley
Wimbledon
Walthamstow
Wonder if any of those still exist and host meetings?No according to this listhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Defunct_greyhound_racing_venues_in_the_United_Kingdom
Prior to 1961 the only 'legal' betting was on course - horses or greyhounds accounted for 95% of all betting (how times change - with football now the overwhelming betting medium). A day at the race track was a lot more expensive and a lot less accessible than a night at the dogs, and I think I'm right in saying that in the 30s/40s/50s total spectator attendance at dog tracks was second only to football. Betting shops opening from 1961 changed the betting industry completely and if you wanted a bet on horses or dogs you could pop in to your local bookies. Attendances at both sports subsequently fell off a cliff and I'm guessing most of those dog track closures came after 1961.
I can remember the dilemma of when to pay the tax. You could have a £1 bet and pay 8p tax on the stake so £1.08. If you won £10 you got £11 back. If you didn’t do the bet Tax paid you got £10.20p as you paid tax on the £10 winnings.It made the Bookies ring at horses and dogs a nightmare with all the odd pence calculations.0 -
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RaplhMilne said:
All true Bob, but you are forgetting that on course betting at that time was Tax free. Whereas your betting shop winnings were Taxed at 8% I think. So it was still viable to actually go to the track. After some time, on course betting was Taxed as well. The tax direct to the punter was ceased in 2001 and the Bookmakers concerned paid the tax from their profits. So pretty much the same, but collected from the bookie directly and not the punter, via the bookie to HMRC.bobmunro said:Simonsen said:
Jesus....paulbaconsarnie said:Simonsen said:This thread got me thinking; I've been dog racing at the following...
Catford
Haringey
Hackney
Aldershot
Exeter
Belle Vue
Slough
Wembley
Wimbledon
Walthamstow
Wonder if any of those still exist and host meetings?No according to this listhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Defunct_greyhound_racing_venues_in_the_United_Kingdom
Prior to 1961 the only 'legal' betting was on course - horses or greyhounds accounted for 95% of all betting (how times change - with football now the overwhelming betting medium). A day at the race track was a lot more expensive and a lot less accessible than a night at the dogs, and I think I'm right in saying that in the 30s/40s/50s total spectator attendance at dog tracks was second only to football. Betting shops opening from 1961 changed the betting industry completely and if you wanted a bet on horses or dogs you could pop in to your local bookies. Attendances at both sports subsequently fell off a cliff and I'm guessing most of those dog track closures came after 1961.
I can remember the dilemma of when to pay the tax. You could have a £1 bet and pay 8p tax on the stake so £1.08. If you won £10 you got £11 back. If you didn’t do the bet Tax paid you got £10.20p as you paid tax on the £10 winnings.It made the Bookies ring at horses and dogs a nightmare with all the odd pence calculations.Based on 10% tax, if you wanted to back a horse for £10 then there was the same return if you backed it for £9 and paid the tax on (so £9.90 total). Tax on gave you a 1% advantage so never a dilemma for me
Don't forget you paid tax on the total return not just winnings - so in your example the return would be £10.12, not £10.20.0 -
No Dumpton Park on that wiki list......just re-looked it come's under Ramsgate Stadium.Simonsen said:
Jesus....paulbaconsarnie said:Simonsen said:This thread got me thinking; I've been dog racing at the following...
Catford
Haringey
Hackney
Aldershot
Exeter
Belle Vue
Slough
Wembley
Wimbledon
Walthamstow
Wonder if any of those still exist and host meetings?No according to this listhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Defunct_greyhound_racing_venues_in_the_United_Kingdom0 -
Still have one in Hove0
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I will go, it's quite close to me0
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Yes, I don’t know why but thought only paid on the profit. The days when we all did numbers in our heads, and on course bookies gave you fractions.bobmunro said:RaplhMilne said:
All true Bob, but you are forgetting that on course betting at that time was Tax free. Whereas your betting shop winnings were Taxed at 8% I think. So it was still viable to actually go to the track. After some time, on course betting was Taxed as well. The tax direct to the punter was ceased in 2001 and the Bookmakers concerned paid the tax from their profits. So pretty much the same, but collected from the bookie directly and not the punter, via the bookie to HMRC.bobmunro said:Simonsen said:
Jesus....paulbaconsarnie said:Simonsen said:This thread got me thinking; I've been dog racing at the following...
Catford
Haringey
Hackney
Aldershot
Exeter
Belle Vue
Slough
Wembley
Wimbledon
Walthamstow
Wonder if any of those still exist and host meetings?No according to this listhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Defunct_greyhound_racing_venues_in_the_United_Kingdom
Prior to 1961 the only 'legal' betting was on course - horses or greyhounds accounted for 95% of all betting (how times change - with football now the overwhelming betting medium). A day at the race track was a lot more expensive and a lot less accessible than a night at the dogs, and I think I'm right in saying that in the 30s/40s/50s total spectator attendance at dog tracks was second only to football. Betting shops opening from 1961 changed the betting industry completely and if you wanted a bet on horses or dogs you could pop in to your local bookies. Attendances at both sports subsequently fell off a cliff and I'm guessing most of those dog track closures came after 1961.
I can remember the dilemma of when to pay the tax. You could have a £1 bet and pay 8p tax on the stake so £1.08. If you won £10 you got £11 back. If you didn’t do the bet Tax paid you got £10.20p as you paid tax on the £10 winnings.It made the Bookies ring at horses and dogs a nightmare with all the odd pence calculations.Based on 10% tax, if you wanted to back a horse for £10 then there was the same return if you backed it for £9 and paid the tax on (so £9.90 total). Tax on gave you a 1% advantage so never a dilemma for me Don't forget you paid tax on the total return not just winnings - so in your example the return would be £10.12, not £10.20.1 -
Was known as Dumpton Park, as it was right next to Dumpton Park Station. A the Stadium was Dogs and Football. Had many a night there. Including a record crowd to see Scurlouge Champ.HastingsRed said:
No Dumpton Park on that wiki list......just re-looked it come's under Ramsgate Stadium.Simonsen said:
Jesus....paulbaconsarnie said:Simonsen said:This thread got me thinking; I've been dog racing at the following...
Catford
Haringey
Hackney
Aldershot
Exeter
Belle Vue
Slough
Wembley
Wimbledon
Walthamstow
Wonder if any of those still exist and host meetings?No according to this listhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Defunct_greyhound_racing_venues_in_the_United_Kingdom0 -
RaplhMilne said:
Yes, I don’t know why but thought only paid on the profit. The days when we all did numbers in our heads, and on course bookies gave you fractions.bobmunro said:RaplhMilne said:
All true Bob, but you are forgetting that on course betting at that time was Tax free. Whereas your betting shop winnings were Taxed at 8% I think. So it was still viable to actually go to the track. After some time, on course betting was Taxed as well. The tax direct to the punter was ceased in 2001 and the Bookmakers concerned paid the tax from their profits. So pretty much the same, but collected from the bookie directly and not the punter, via the bookie to HMRC.bobmunro said:Simonsen said:
Jesus....paulbaconsarnie said:Simonsen said:This thread got me thinking; I've been dog racing at the following...
Catford
Haringey
Hackney
Aldershot
Exeter
Belle Vue
Slough
Wembley
Wimbledon
Walthamstow
Wonder if any of those still exist and host meetings?No according to this listhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Defunct_greyhound_racing_venues_in_the_United_Kingdom
Prior to 1961 the only 'legal' betting was on course - horses or greyhounds accounted for 95% of all betting (how times change - with football now the overwhelming betting medium). A day at the race track was a lot more expensive and a lot less accessible than a night at the dogs, and I think I'm right in saying that in the 30s/40s/50s total spectator attendance at dog tracks was second only to football. Betting shops opening from 1961 changed the betting industry completely and if you wanted a bet on horses or dogs you could pop in to your local bookies. Attendances at both sports subsequently fell off a cliff and I'm guessing most of those dog track closures came after 1961.
I can remember the dilemma of when to pay the tax. You could have a £1 bet and pay 8p tax on the stake so £1.08. If you won £10 you got £11 back. If you didn’t do the bet Tax paid you got £10.20p as you paid tax on the £10 winnings.It made the Bookies ring at horses and dogs a nightmare with all the odd pence calculations.Based on 10% tax, if you wanted to back a horse for £10 then there was the same return if you backed it for £9 and paid the tax on (so £9.90 total). Tax on gave you a 1% advantage so never a dilemma for me Don't forget you paid tax on the total return not just winnings - so in your example the return would be £10.12, not £10.20.Most on course bookies still give fractions if you ask - some don't, and some would not know what you were talking about!Gone are the days of a manual field book and multi-coloured numbered tickets, but the machine does have a fractions button.0 -
I've been there a few times when I was young (6-7yrs old)....family holidays to Margate, Broadstairs etc....my dad (rip) loved going to the dogs. I remember on one occasion I tripped up and grazed my leg. I was taken to the first aid place and they cleaned me up and also gave me some photos of the dogs, stadium and the pictures they take at the finish....wished I kept them now but were most likely chucked out years ago.RaplhMilne said:
Was known as Dumpton Park, as it was right next to Dumpton Park Station. A the Stadium was Dogs and Football. Had many a night there. Including a record crowd to see Scurlouge Champ.HastingsRed said:
No Dumpton Park on that wiki list......just re-looked it come's under Ramsgate Stadium.Simonsen said:
Jesus....paulbaconsarnie said:Simonsen said:This thread got me thinking; I've been dog racing at the following...
Catford
Haringey
Hackney
Aldershot
Exeter
Belle Vue
Slough
Wembley
Wimbledon
Walthamstow
Wonder if any of those still exist and host meetings?No according to this listhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Defunct_greyhound_racing_venues_in_the_United_Kingdom0 -
Last day of racing there, this Sunday0
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We're going Saturday.0
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Have great memories of going to see banger racing there in the 70's. They had a figure of 8 track so mayhem ensued. Last car able to drive won. Happy days!3
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I went to the dogs there as a kid. Now a garden centre and housing, with suitably named roads.RaplhMilne said:
Was known as Dumpton Park, as it was right next to Dumpton Park Station. A the Stadium was Dogs and Football. Had many a night there. Including a record crowd to see Scurlouge Champ.HastingsRed said:
No Dumpton Park on that wiki list......just re-looked it come's under Ramsgate Stadium.Simonsen said:
Jesus....paulbaconsarnie said:Simonsen said:This thread got me thinking; I've been dog racing at the following...
Catford
Haringey
Hackney
Aldershot
Exeter
Belle Vue
Slough
Wembley
Wimbledon
Walthamstow
Wonder if any of those still exist and host meetings?No according to this listhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Defunct_greyhound_racing_venues_in_the_United_Kingdom1 -
Remember when Luther Blissett , first walked around the San Siro after his transfer from Watford he said “ Where’s the dog track?”2
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Scurlouge Champ was an amazing dog, worth digging out the youtube vids.Airman Brown said:
I went to the dogs there as a kid. Now a garden centre and housing, with suitably named roads.RaplhMilne said:
Was known as Dumpton Park, as it was right next to Dumpton Park Station. A the Stadium was Dogs and Football. Had many a night there. Including a record crowd to see Scurlouge Champ.HastingsRed said:
No Dumpton Park on that wiki list......just re-looked it come's under Ramsgate Stadium.Simonsen said:
Jesus....paulbaconsarnie said:Simonsen said:This thread got me thinking; I've been dog racing at the following...
Catford
Haringey
Hackney
Aldershot
Exeter
Belle Vue
Slough
Wembley
Wimbledon
Walthamstow
Wonder if any of those still exist and host meetings?No according to this listhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Defunct_greyhound_racing_venues_in_the_United_Kingdom0 -
Figure of 8 destruction derby! Loved it.BoysOwn said:Have great memories of going to see banger racing there in the 70's. They had a figure of 8 track so mayhem ensued. Last car able to drive won. Happy days!1 -
Seem to remember the figure of 8 was the last race of the night, total carnage! That was probably the late 70’s for me, I went to the dogs a few times in the 80’s before they rebuilt the stadium, my total lack of winnings probably stopped me getting the taste for gambling. Mind you, I still wasted the money saved on plenty of other things.Arsenetatters said:
Figure of 8 destruction derby! Loved it.BoysOwn said:Have great memories of going to see banger racing there in the 70's. They had a figure of 8 track so mayhem ensued. Last car able to drive won. Happy days!1 -
Even if an 11th hour package comes in for it, Crayford will be closed for a few months minimum0
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So sad
Our first house was in Crayford - when the kids were little, Saturday mornings it was free entry - bar opened early doors - only did low bets on the Tote - my son’s strategy - bet on first dog to poo on parade pre race - surprisingly successful 😃
And sod off anyone coming on here and giving it the negative about Greyhound racing - down at the traps and listening to them anticipating the race - they love it - in their genes
Fantastic to watch, so fast and graceful4 -
To be honest glad to see the back of it, its cruel to make these dogs run for your entertainment. I much prefer amateur boxing where i can see two kids smack each other in to unconsciousness7
