P.S. I am unimpressed by Nathan Jones getting bookings on the sidelines.
Funny, not you personally Seth, but just adding to your post, I rather like Jones and the way he acts on the touchline, the passion and intensity he shows does sometimes boil over, and if you have a silly ref, like we have had in the last couple of games, then he leaves himself open to bookings... Thing is, would rather him than the motionless Appleton, with his hands in his pockets looking uninterested totally...🤷♂️
I agree, but I don't see why it has to be a binary choice. I'd prefer some middle line where we have a manager that shows an appropriate amount of interest and passion without costing the club money and becoming a distraction. That said, with some of the dreadful football dished up this season we do sometimes need a distraction.
Ah...perfection it is then Stig, thing is we ain't in the market for such, and Jones in his manic state is better than a motionless inarticulate thing on the touchline...so "Carry on Jones" imo
P.S. I am unimpressed by Nathan Jones getting bookings on the sidelines.
Funny, not you personally Seth, but just adding to your post, I rather like Jones and the way he acts on the touchline, the passion and intensity he shows does sometimes boil over, and if you have a silly ref, like we have had in the last couple of games, then he leaves himself open to bookings... Thing is, would rather him than the motionless Appleton, with his hands in his pockets looking uninterested totally...🤷♂️
When Jones gets suspended or whatever we don’t lose a playing option. However I believe his rather cavalier attitude to getting booked (or sent off) is a bad example to the players, and if they get enough bookings or sendings off we lose them on the pitch. If Jones expects players to be on point and in control when playing, then he ought to show a greater degree of control when managing. It is rather sweet and refreshing when Jones (an articulate and intelligent man in my view) admits to the stress and getting wound up by the job and that he has passion, but he simply needs to deal with that in a way that doesn’t set a poor example to the players, because it harms us.
P.S. I am unimpressed by Nathan Jones getting bookings on the sidelines.
Funny, not you personally Seth, but just adding to your post, I rather like Jones and the way he acts on the touchline, the passion and intensity he shows does sometimes boil over, and if you have a silly ref, like we have had in the last couple of games, then he leaves himself open to bookings... Thing is, would rather him than the motionless Appleton, with his hands in his pockets looking uninterested totally...🤷♂️
When Jones gets suspended or whatever we don’t lose a playing option. However I believe his rather cavalier attitude to getting booked (or sent off) is a bad example to the players, and if they get enough bookings or sendings off we lose them on the pitch. If Jones expects players to be on point and in control when playing, then he ought to show a greater degree of control when managing. It is rather sweet and refreshing when Jones (an articulate and intelligent man in my view) admits to the stress and getting wound up by the job and that he has passion, but he simply needs to deal with that in a way that doesn’t set a poor example to the players, because it harms us.
I don't think NJ is the problem, It's the PGMOL's ridiculous approach to cut down on managers shouting from the sidelines. Who is that approach serving? They might say the referee, but if you mic'd up the ref, you'd hear 20 players calling him an "effing dickhead" all game and going unpunished, yet the manager gets booked for complaining about a foul.
P.S. I am unimpressed by Nathan Jones getting bookings on the sidelines.
Funny, not you personally Seth, but just adding to your post, I rather like Jones and the way he acts on the touchline, the passion and intensity he shows does sometimes boil over, and if you have a silly ref, like we have had in the last couple of games, then he leaves himself open to bookings... Thing is, would rather him than the motionless Appleton, with his hands in his pockets looking uninterested totally...🤷♂️
When Jones gets suspended or whatever we don’t lose a playing option. However I believe his rather cavalier attitude to getting booked (or sent off) is a bad example to the players, and if they get enough bookings or sendings off we lose them on the pitch. If Jones expects players to be on point and in control when playing, then he ought to show a greater degree of control when managing. It is rather sweet and refreshing when Jones (an articulate and intelligent man in my view) admits to the stress and getting wound up by the job and that he has passion, but he simply needs to deal with that in a way that doesn’t set a poor example to the players, because it harms us.
I don't think NJ is the problem, It's the PGMOL's ridiculous approach to cut down on managers shouting from the sidelines. Who is that approach serving? They might say the referee, but if you mic'd up the ref, you'd hear 20 players calling him an "effing dickhead" all game and not going punished, yet the manager gets booked for complaining about a foul.
I don’t disagree. Yet the rules and protocols are there, and whilst they exist Nathan Jones should try harder to not fall foul of them.
NJ is deluded if he truly thinks we start games on the front foot with aggression. We are painfully slow and passive, like we are holding out to go in even at half time then hoping for a break to go our way in the second half.
Stop hoofing the ball long, give it away less. Job done for you there Nath. Gillesphey's pass completion must be very low, slightly improved by Leaburn getting his head on most balls forward.
nice idea, but our midfield incapable of keeping the ball. So what happens is the defenders pass the ball to midfield only for it to come back straight away, they then pass it side ways or back to the keeper as our defenders not good with ball at their feet and so it hit long at some point to get it away from danger.
Why was Small marking a six foot three defender right in front of goal? OK if he is beyond far post where he only has to back in and put him off, but one of our 3 CBs or Miles should have been on him.
Yes, he's not the finished article yet, but I was impressed with Miles' attitude yesterday. He was the one trying to pump the away fans up, and the player getting stick from the home fans.
obviously the sending off changed the game in Hudds favour, beaten at the end by yet another long range scoring strike .. t b h I am at a loss to understand why we are so poor with a squad as decent as most in this division, it MUST be down to the manager's inability to properly select, motivate and organise the squad
These are the players that have played for us and since moved on from the 20/21 season up until this season
Gunter - retired
Purrington - Exeter
Oshilaja - Mansfield
Famewo - Sheff Wed
Pearce - retired
Williams - Gillingham
JFC - Stevenage
Bonne - Southend
Stockley - Port Vale
Gilbey - MK Dons
Shinnie - Livingston
Amos - Port Vale
Washington - Derby
Pratley - Orient
Matthews - free agent
Bogle - Crewe
Doughty - Luton
Matt Smith - Wigan
Albie Morgan - Blackpool
Oztumer - Magusa Turk Gucu
Maddison - in prison
Ian Maatsen - Villa
Levitt - Hibs
Inniss - Forest Green
Davison - Tranmere
Watson - retired
Miller - Hull
Smyth - QPR
Schwartz - Fredericia
Harness - MK Dons
Lapslie - Gillingham
Wiredu - Fleetwood
MacGillivray - MK Dons
Dobson - Wrexham
Jayisemi - Orient
Nile John - Fierense
Lavelle - Carlisle
Elliott Lee - Wrexham
Leko - MK Dons
Castillo - RKC Waalwijk
Kirk - Barrow
Fraser - Dundee
Arter - Precison (in the UAE)
CBT - Derby
Souare - Ebbsfleet
Clare - Orient
Chin - Farnborough
Vennings - Braintree
Dempsey - Ayr Utd
Burstow - Hull
Elerewe - Bromley
Wollacott - Crawley
Sessegnon - Wigan
Terrell Thomas - Carlisle
O’Connell - Wrexham
Hector - free agent
McGrandles - Lincoln
Kilkenny - Swindon
Kane - Ebbsfleet
Rak Saki - Sheff Utd
Egbo - Col Utd
Payne - Col Utd
Penney - Rochdale
Clayden - Boreham Wood
Henry - Rochdale
Viggars - Buxton
Camara- Crawley
Abankwah - Udinese
Wickham - free agent
Ladapo - Huddersfield
Isted - Burton
Louie Watson - Luton
Chem Campbell - Reading
Tedic - Cukariki
Bakinson - Wycombe
Fiorini - Stockport
LuaLua- Hartlepool
The reason I post this, is that although the odd one or two may have found themselves playing at a higher level or in a team above us in this division, I think it speaks volumes about the level of crap and mediocrity we have endured for a good 5 years now.
Excluding loans, just look at where a lot of those players have ended up, League two or below. At the time, we gave far too many of these players too much grace, when in reality the majority were and have been dross.
For too long we’ve been served up crap footballers, playing crap football (slowly), and it’s only our own delusional hope that we allow ourselves to think that the likes of Adhame will ‘come good’ or ‘push on’
Very few have come good or pushed on since signing for us in the last 5 years, and I imagine when the current crop of players have moved on in the next 2-3 years, they’ll also be able to find their way to the likes of Gillingham, MK Dons and other staple League 2 teams
These are the players that have played for us and since moved on from the 20/21 season up until this season
Gunter - retired
Purrington - Exeter
Oshilaja - Mansfield
Famewo - Sheff Wed
Pearce - retired
Williams - Gillingham
JFC - Stevenage
Bonne - Southend
Stockley - Port Vale
Gilbey - MK Dons
Shinnie - Livingston
Amos - Port Vale
Washington - Derby
Pratley - Orient
Matthews - free agent
Bogle - Crewe
Doughty - Luton
Matt Smith - Wigan
Albie Morgan - Blackpool
Oztumer - Magusa Turk Gucu
Maddison - in prison
Ian Maatsen - Villa
Levitt - Hibs
Inniss - Forest Green
Davison - Tranmere
Watson - retired
Miller - Hull
Smyth - QPR
Schwartz - Fredericia
Harness - MK Dons
Lapslie - Gillingham
Wiredu - Fleetwood
MacGillivray - MK Dons
Dobson - Wrexham
Jayisemi - Orient
Nile John - Fierense
Lavelle - Carlisle
Elliott Lee - Wrexham
Leko - MK Dons
Castillo - RKC Waalwijk
Kirk - Barrow
Fraser - Dundee
Arter - Precison (in the UAE)
CBT - Derby
Souare - Ebbsfleet
Clare - Orient
Chin - Farnborough
Vennings - Braintree
Dempsey - Ayr Utd
Burstow - Hull
Elerewe - Bromley
Wollacott - Crawley
Sessegnon - Wigan
Terrell Thomas - Carlisle
O’Connell - Wrexham
Hector - free agent
McGrandles - Lincoln
Kilkenny - Swindon
Kane - Ebbsfleet
Rak Saki - Sheff Utd
Egbo - Col Utd
Payne - Col Utd
Penney - Rochdale
Clayden - Boreham Wood
Henry - Rochdale
Viggars - Buxton
Camara- Crawley
Abankwah - Udinese
Wickham - free agent
Ladapo - Huddersfield
Isted - Burton
Louie Watson - Luton
Chem Campbell - Reading
Tedic - Cukariki
Bakinson - Wycombe
Fiorini - Stockport
LuaLua- Hartlepool
The reason I post this, is that although the odd one or two may have found themselves playing at a higher level or in a team above us in this division, I think it speaks volumes about the level of crap and mediocrity we have endured for a good 5 years now.
Excluding loans, just look at where a lot of those players have ended up, League two or below. At the time, we gave far too many of these players too much grace, when in reality the majority were and have been dross.
For too long we’ve been served up crap footballers, playing crap football (slowly), and it’s only our own delusional hope that we allow ourselves to think that the likes of Adhame will ‘come good’ or ‘push on’
Very few have come good or pushed on since signing for us in the last 5 years, and I imagine when the current crop of players have moved on in the next 2-3 years, they’ll also be able to find their way to the likes of Gillingham, MK Dons and other staple League 2 teams
Another slightly worrying statistic is regarding our kids that are moving on to bigger and better things
Aribo was probably the last and that was 6-7 seasons ago. And from the current crop I've seen,that don't look like changing anytime soon.
For a club that prides itself on its academy conveyor belt, the numbers really aren't very good.
Yes, he's not the finished article yet, but I was impressed with Miles' attitude yesterday. He was the one trying to pump the away fans up, and the player getting stick from the home fans.
A leader on the pitch, for someone still only 20.
Was great to see him battling away, and the maturity to not react when their defenders were pushing him about. Shame his header didn't go in, a great cross in and he got around the defender well. Looking sharper each game, no doubt he will start slotting then away regularly soon. We need him to.
These are the players that have played for us and since moved on from the 20/21 season up until this season
Gunter - retired
Purrington - Exeter
Oshilaja - Mansfield
Famewo - Sheff Wed
Pearce - retired
Williams - Gillingham
JFC - Stevenage
Bonne - Southend
Stockley - Port Vale
Gilbey - MK Dons
Shinnie - Livingston
Amos - Port Vale
Washington - Derby
Pratley - Orient
Matthews - free agent
Bogle - Crewe
Doughty - Luton
Matt Smith - Wigan
Albie Morgan - Blackpool
Oztumer - Magusa Turk Gucu
Maddison - in prison
Ian Maatsen - Villa
Levitt - Hibs
Inniss - Forest Green
Davison - Tranmere
Watson - retired
Miller - Hull
Smyth - QPR
Schwartz - Fredericia
Harness - MK Dons
Lapslie - Gillingham
Wiredu - Fleetwood
MacGillivray - MK Dons
Dobson - Wrexham
Jayisemi - Orient
Nile John - Fierense
Lavelle - Carlisle
Elliott Lee - Wrexham
Leko - MK Dons
Castillo - RKC Waalwijk
Kirk - Barrow
Fraser - Dundee
Arter - Precison (in the UAE)
CBT - Derby
Souare - Ebbsfleet
Clare - Orient
Chin - Farnborough
Vennings - Braintree
Dempsey - Ayr Utd
Burstow - Hull
Elerewe - Bromley
Wollacott - Crawley
Sessegnon - Wigan
Terrell Thomas - Carlisle
O’Connell - Wrexham
Hector - free agent
McGrandles - Lincoln
Kilkenny - Swindon
Kane - Ebbsfleet
Rak Saki - Sheff Utd
Egbo - Col Utd
Payne - Col Utd
Penney - Rochdale
Clayden - Boreham Wood
Henry - Rochdale
Viggars - Buxton
Camara- Crawley
Abankwah - Udinese
Wickham - free agent
Ladapo - Huddersfield
Isted - Burton
Louie Watson - Luton
Chem Campbell - Reading
Tedic - Cukariki
Bakinson - Wycombe
Fiorini - Stockport
LuaLua- Hartlepool
The reason I post this, is that although the odd one or two may have found themselves playing at a higher level or in a team above us in this division, I think it speaks volumes about the level of crap and mediocrity we have endured for a good 5 years now.
Excluding loans, just look at where a lot of those players have ended up, League two or below. At the time, we gave far too many of these players too much grace, when in reality the majority were and have been dross.
For too long we’ve been served up crap footballers, playing crap football (slowly), and it’s only our own delusional hope that we allow ourselves to think that the likes of Adhame will ‘come good’ or ‘push on’
Very few have come good or pushed on since signing for us in the last 5 years, and I imagine when the current crop of players have moved on in the next 2-3 years, they’ll also be able to find their way to the likes of Gillingham, MK Dons and other staple League 2 teams
Another slightly worrying statistic is regarding our kids that are moving on to bigger and better things
Aribo was probably the last and that was 6-7 seasons ago. And from the current crop I've seen,that don't look like changing anytime soon.
For a club that prides itself on its academy conveyor belt, the numbers really aren't very good.
Yes. And I think we’re always very kind to the youth. Not that they shouldn’t be given a chance and they are at a very fragile stage of their career, but the Aaron Henry’s, the Richard Chin’s etc have all been touted, but they’re going on to have careers in non league football. I suppose Burstow, Doughty and Leaburn have/may go on to perform at Champ level, hard to say now.
P.S. I am unimpressed by Nathan Jones getting bookings on the sidelines.
Funny, not you personally Seth, but just adding to your post, I rather like Jones and the way he acts on the touchline, the passion and intensity he shows does sometimes boil over, and if you have a silly ref, like we have had in the last couple of games, then he leaves himself open to bookings... Thing is, would rather him than the motionless Appleton, with his hands in his pockets looking uninterested totally...🤷♂️
When Jones gets suspended or whatever we don’t lose a playing option. However I believe his rather cavalier attitude to getting booked (or sent off) is a bad example to the players, and if they get enough bookings or sendings off we lose them on the pitch. If Jones expects players to be on point and in control when playing, then he ought to show a greater degree of control when managing. It is rather sweet and refreshing when Jones (an articulate and intelligent man in my view) admits to the stress and getting wound up by the job and that he has passion, but he simply needs to deal with that in a way that doesn’t set a poor example to the players, because it harms us.
I don't think NJ is the problem, It's the PGMOL's ridiculous approach to cut down on managers shouting from the sidelines. Who is that approach serving? They might say the referee, but if you mic'd up the ref, you'd hear 20 players calling him an "effing dickhead" all game and not going punished, yet the manager gets booked for complaining about a foul.
I don’t disagree. Yet the rules and protocols are there, and whilst they exist Nathan Jones should try harder to not fall foul of them.
Back in the day there wasn't a "technical area". Managers mostly sat in the dug out & hollered instructions. Don Revie or Brian Clough didn't seem to have a problem with this.
Loved NJ passion at first ,especially after Apples 1000 yrs stare ,and I wonder if he has lost the dressing room given the lack of a coherent style of play.
If I knew the answer I would be organising training and sitting in the dugout on a Saturday.
But I find it hard to keep going back to watch lacklustre football , but I will because that’s what I can contribute towards the team.
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However I believe his rather cavalier attitude to getting booked (or sent off) is a bad example to the players, and if they get enough bookings or sendings off we lose them on the pitch.
If Jones expects players to be on point and in control when playing, then he ought to show a greater degree of control when managing.
It is rather sweet and refreshing when Jones (an articulate and intelligent man in my view) admits to the stress and getting wound up by the job and that he has passion, but he simply needs to deal with that in a way that doesn’t set a poor example to the players, because it harms us.
Yet the rules and protocols are there, and whilst they exist Nathan Jones should try harder to not fall foul of them.
A leader on the pitch, for someone still only 20.
Gunter - retired
Purrington - Exeter
Oshilaja - Mansfield
Famewo - Sheff Wed
Pearce - retired
Williams - Gillingham
JFC - Stevenage
Bonne - Southend
Stockley - Port Vale
Gilbey - MK Dons
Shinnie - Livingston
Amos - Port Vale
Washington - Derby
Pratley - Orient
Matthews - free agent
Bogle - Crewe
Doughty - Luton
Matt Smith - Wigan
Albie Morgan - Blackpool
Oztumer - Magusa Turk Gucu
Maddison - in prison
Ian Maatsen - Villa
Levitt - Hibs
Inniss - Forest Green
Davison - Tranmere
Watson - retired
Miller - Hull
Smyth - QPR
Schwartz - Fredericia
Harness - MK Dons
Lapslie - Gillingham
Wiredu - Fleetwood
MacGillivray - MK Dons
Dobson - Wrexham
Jayisemi - Orient
Nile John - Fierense
Lavelle - Carlisle
Elliott Lee - Wrexham
Leko - MK Dons
Castillo - RKC Waalwijk
Kirk - Barrow
Fraser - Dundee
Arter - Precison (in the UAE)
CBT - Derby
Souare - Ebbsfleet
Clare - Orient
Chin - Farnborough
Vennings - Braintree
Dempsey - Ayr Utd
Burstow - Hull
Elerewe - Bromley
Wollacott - Crawley
Sessegnon - Wigan
Terrell Thomas - Carlisle
O’Connell - Wrexham
Hector - free agent
McGrandles - Lincoln
Kilkenny - Swindon
Kane - Ebbsfleet
Rak Saki - Sheff Utd
Egbo - Col Utd
Payne - Col Utd
Penney - Rochdale
Clayden - Boreham Wood
Henry - Rochdale
Viggars - Buxton
Camara- Crawley
Abankwah - Udinese
Wickham - free agent
Ladapo - Huddersfield
Isted - Burton
Louie Watson - Luton
Chem Campbell - Reading
Tedic - Cukariki
Bakinson - Wycombe
Fiorini - Stockport
LuaLua- Hartlepool
The reason I post this, is that although the odd one or two may have found themselves playing at a higher level or in a team above us in this division, I think it speaks volumes about the level of crap and mediocrity we have endured for a good 5 years now.
Excluding loans, just look at where a lot of those players have ended up, League two or below. At the time, we gave far too many of these players too much grace, when in reality the majority were and have been dross.
For too long we’ve been served up crap footballers, playing crap football (slowly), and it’s only our own delusional hope that we allow ourselves to think that the likes of Adhame will ‘come good’ or ‘push on’
Very few have come good or pushed on since signing for us in the last 5 years, and I imagine when the current crop of players have moved on in the next 2-3 years, they’ll also be able to find their way to the likes of Gillingham, MK Dons and other staple League 2 teams
Exhausted with the excuses for mediocrity, but also the rationalising of terrible decisions by the club
Ffs
G: Petheridge?
B: Too old.
G: Taplow?
B: Too dead.