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January Transfer Window (rumours + actuals)
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Aaron Henry returning from a loan spell will be like a new signing.
A very bad one at that.12 -
No but equally it could be used against us if he came out and said we were looking to push the boat out in January make a few quality signings.mcgrandall said:Callumcafc said:
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.mcgrandall said:
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.NabySarr said:
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhereNabySarr said:
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first elevenShootersHillGuru said:
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.NabySarr said:Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre backI know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
It isn't an assumption, it is what NJ said, "one, maybe two" additions and reducing the size of the squad. It could all be smoke and mirrors to reduce fees, but I suspect selling clubs aren't going to be looking at our pre/post match press conferences and going Charlton don't have much to spend.I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
It’s just as equally valid an explanation as the owners / SMT having little to no ambition. Jones wouldn’t be at a League One club if he didn’t think he wasn’t going to get appropriate backing and he’s the one managing expectations!0 -
Speaking of assumptionsCallumcafc said:
No but equally it could be used against us if he came out and said we were looking to push the boat out in January make a few quality signings.mcgrandall said:Callumcafc said:
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.mcgrandall said:
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.NabySarr said:
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhereNabySarr said:
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first elevenShootersHillGuru said:
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.NabySarr said:Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre backI know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
It isn't an assumption, it is what NJ said, "one, maybe two" additions and reducing the size of the squad. It could all be smoke and mirrors to reduce fees, but I suspect selling clubs aren't going to be looking at our pre/post match press conferences and going Charlton don't have much to spend.I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
It’s just as equally valid an explanation as the owners / SMT having little to no ambition. Jones wouldn’t be at a League One club if he didn’t think he wasn’t going to get appropriate backing and he’s the one managing expectations!
. I would argue being promised and going to get are two very different things.
Equally NJ said Alan Campbell was adding some quality to the squad, he didn't exactly manage those expectations so well in the summer
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Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.Callumcafc said:
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.mcgrandall said:
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.NabySarr said:
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhereNabySarr said:
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first elevenShootersHillGuru said:
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.NabySarr said:Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre backI know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.14 -
Marcus Maddison makes a strong case for being in the best league 1 side of all time. His stats were absolutely incredible 6 seasons on the spin at Peterborough, the problem was he was an absolute bellend but he was very good for Poshredbuttle said:
Nicky Jose wasn't one of them and neither was Marcus Maddison and we ended up with both of them.Sambcafc said:
You’ve only got to read some of the horrendous takes on here to know that fans forums are not a good source of truth haha.redbuttle said:
Sorry but you need to look at their fans forumsChris_from_Sidcup said:24 goals in the last 1.5 seasons, surely he isn't that bad?The fans forums were very negative on Dobson. Just as an example.Peterborough have had some fantastic strikers over the years - so their bar is high0 -
May was the first prolific striker we signed that ended up also being prolific here, probably since BWP4
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Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.ShootersHillGuru said:
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.Callumcafc said:
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.mcgrandall said:
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.NabySarr said:
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhereNabySarr said:
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first elevenShootersHillGuru said:
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.NabySarr said:Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre backI know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.2 -
I think Aaron Henry is recovering from injury.0
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Jones walks free in the summer. He’s as yet not signed anything we’ve put in front of him. Obviously he’s keeping his options open and why shouldn’t he. There have been bids for Jones and so far they’ve been rejected which is good but if our valuation is met he’ll be gone. If you genuinely believe it was good business to lose Dobson, May and CBT then I can’t begin to bother to argue the point.Callumcafc said:
Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.ShootersHillGuru said:
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.Callumcafc said:
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.mcgrandall said:
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.NabySarr said:
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhereNabySarr said:
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first elevenShootersHillGuru said:
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.NabySarr said:Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre backI know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.5 -
He should never be near the first team again anyway. Sadly I don’t think he is more than a lower end league 2 standard player at best.seth plum said:I think Aaron Henry is recovering from injury.2 -
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As he should be if you’re running a football club sensibly. Every player has a price. If someone gives us enough money to get a decent replacement and build out other areas of the squad on top, we’ll have done good business.ShootersHillGuru said:
Jones walks free in the summer. He’s as yet not signed anything we’ve put in front of him. Obviously he’s keeping his options open and why shouldn’t he. There have been bids for Jones and so far they’ve been rejected which is good but if our valuation is met he’ll be gone. If you genuinely believe it was good business to lose Dobson, May and CBT then I can’t begin to bother to argue the point.Callumcafc said:
Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.ShootersHillGuru said:
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.Callumcafc said:
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.mcgrandall said:
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.NabySarr said:
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhereNabySarr said:
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first elevenShootersHillGuru said:
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.NabySarr said:Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre backI know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.
If he leaves on a free after two years then we’ll be in exactly the same place we were when we signed him as a free agent two years prior.
I would like him to stay but these are third tier calibre players we’re talking about - adequate replacements are ten a penny and there is always talent available that can help us push on with or without Jones, Dobson, May. We just have to uncover it before other clubs do.12 -
Yes and so was Ajose but they were both totally useless for us.Pelling1993 said:
Marcus Maddison makes a strong case for being in the best league 1 side of all time. His stats were absolutely incredible 6 seasons on the spin at Peterborough, the problem was he was an absolute bellend but he was very good for Poshredbuttle said:
Nicky Jose wasn't one of them and neither was Marcus Maddison and we ended up with both of them.Sambcafc said:
You’ve only got to read some of the horrendous takes on here to know that fans forums are not a good source of truth haha.redbuttle said:
Sorry but you need to look at their fans forumsChris_from_Sidcup said:24 goals in the last 1.5 seasons, surely he isn't that bad?The fans forums were very negative on Dobson. Just as an example.Peterborough have had some fantastic strikers over the years - so their bar is high0 -
At one extreme we sign Haaland and Vinicius Junior, and sell/release A Campbell, Edun and Ahadme, and loan out Asiimwe.mcgrandall said:Callumcafc said:
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.mcgrandall said:
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.NabySarr said:
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhereNabySarr said:
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first elevenShootersHillGuru said:
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.NabySarr said:Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre backI know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
It isn't an assumption, it is what NJ said, "one, maybe two" additions and reducing the size of the squad. It could all be smoke and mirrors to reduce fees, but I suspect selling clubs aren't going to be looking at our pre/post match press conferences and going Charlton don't have much to spend.I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
At the other extreme we sign an unfit former Luton midfielder and an unknown loan player, and sell Leaburn, Jones and Small.
NJ's comments would be true for both examples, so until we see what happens, I'm not going to get too fussed.0 -
I think that says more about the quality of the division than our squad building.Callumcafc said:
Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.ShootersHillGuru said:
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.Callumcafc said:
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.mcgrandall said:
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.NabySarr said:
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhereNabySarr said:
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first elevenShootersHillGuru said:
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.NabySarr said:Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre backI know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.
Our team should've been built around those players, instead 6-12 months after they left we're still trying to replace them.14 -
It feels like you're removing any consideration of any individual player's merits: how they fit with the club, squad, system and their teammates, by saying that as long as the club finishes a little higher, letting go of them would have been the right decision.Callumcafc said:
As he should be if you’re running a football club sensibly. Every player has a price. If someone gives us enough money to get a decent replacement and build out other areas of the squad on top, we’ll have done good business.ShootersHillGuru said:
Jones walks free in the summer. He’s as yet not signed anything we’ve put in front of him. Obviously he’s keeping his options open and why shouldn’t he. There have been bids for Jones and so far they’ve been rejected which is good but if our valuation is met he’ll be gone. If you genuinely believe it was good business to lose Dobson, May and CBT then I can’t begin to bother to argue the point.Callumcafc said:
Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.ShootersHillGuru said:
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.Callumcafc said:
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.mcgrandall said:
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.NabySarr said:
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhereNabySarr said:
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first elevenShootersHillGuru said:
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.NabySarr said:Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre backI know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.
If he leaves on a free after two years then we’ll be in exactly the same place we were when we signed him as a free agent two years prior.
I would like him to stay but these are third tier calibre players we’re talking about - adequate replacements are ten a penny and there is always talent available that can help us push on with or without Jones, Dobson, May. We just have to uncover it before other clubs do.
I'm not sure that's logical. It's treading dangerously close to Katrien's argument, about how "sacking the managers proved to be the right decision because every time we improved our ranking."
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Doesn't mean he was a bad player at Peterborough though does itredbuttle said:
Yes and so was Ajose but they were both totally useless for us.Pelling1993 said:
Marcus Maddison makes a strong case for being in the best league 1 side of all time. His stats were absolutely incredible 6 seasons on the spin at Peterborough, the problem was he was an absolute bellend but he was very good for Poshredbuttle said:
Nicky Jose wasn't one of them and neither was Marcus Maddison and we ended up with both of them.Sambcafc said:
You’ve only got to read some of the horrendous takes on here to know that fans forums are not a good source of truth haha.redbuttle said:
Sorry but you need to look at their fans forumsChris_from_Sidcup said:24 goals in the last 1.5 seasons, surely he isn't that bad?The fans forums were very negative on Dobson. Just as an example.Peterborough have had some fantastic strikers over the years - so their bar is high0 -
I like a lot of your posts @callumcafc but this isn’t one of them. We’ve proven ourselves less than competent in the transfer market and even some of the better looking signings have not worked out. Lloyd has, apparently, some of the best stats in the division although I prefer to judge him on his value to the team and that seems very obvious given how we performed with and without him.Callumcafc said:
As he should be if you’re running a football club sensibly. Every player has a price. If someone gives us enough money to get a decent replacement and build out other areas of the squad on top, we’ll have done good business.ShootersHillGuru said:
Jones walks free in the summer. He’s as yet not signed anything we’ve put in front of him. Obviously he’s keeping his options open and why shouldn’t he. There have been bids for Jones and so far they’ve been rejected which is good but if our valuation is met he’ll be gone. If you genuinely believe it was good business to lose Dobson, May and CBT then I can’t begin to bother to argue the point.Callumcafc said:
Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.ShootersHillGuru said:
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.Callumcafc said:
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.mcgrandall said:
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.NabySarr said:
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhereNabySarr said:
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first elevenShootersHillGuru said:
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.NabySarr said:Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre backI know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.
If he leaves on a free after two years then we’ll be in exactly the same place we were when we signed him as a free agent two years prior.
I would like him to stay but these are third tier calibre players we’re talking about - adequate replacements are ten a penny and there is always talent available that can help us push on with or without Jones, Dobson, May. We just have to uncover it before other clubs do.A replacement for someone who adds so much to the team needs to be more than adequate and any new signing is a huge risk and, as said, we have called tails way too many times when it fell on heads.
The same goes for Dobbo and May. One forced out by Scott and, having spoken briefly to him last season after Wycombe, the other seemingly left with little option but to go because of NJ’s view of him. Two players who’d found a home here and who dragged the rest of their teammates along with them. We rightly cut a lot of deadwood in the summer, but we also lost two players who should have been retained. Adequate replacements have, so far, been glaring by their absence.I’m not totally pessimistic. Docherty is finally starting to play as I’d hoped/expected a decent Championship midfielder would. Josh has proved a good signing (as well as Ramsey and Small seems to be getting his mojo back too). But Gas, A Campbell, Potts, Hylton have been, politely, underwhelming and Berry & Godden have shown way too little.Having talent available is easy to say, but having a player or players who just fit and obviously make the team better than the sum of their parts is just so much more difficult to replace.25 -
Hardly. He had one standout season with Swindon and then we signed him. He regressed to his poor career in the seasons previous after that.redbuttle said:
Yes and so was Ajose but they were both totally useless for us.Pelling1993 said:
Marcus Maddison makes a strong case for being in the best league 1 side of all time. His stats were absolutely incredible 6 seasons on the spin at Peterborough, the problem was he was an absolute bellend but he was very good for Poshredbuttle said:
Nicky Jose wasn't one of them and neither was Marcus Maddison and we ended up with both of them.Sambcafc said:
You’ve only got to read some of the horrendous takes on here to know that fans forums are not a good source of truth haha.redbuttle said:
Sorry but you need to look at their fans forumsChris_from_Sidcup said:24 goals in the last 1.5 seasons, surely he isn't that bad?The fans forums were very negative on Dobson. Just as an example.Peterborough have had some fantastic strikers over the years - so their bar is high0 -
This has been proven wrong time and time again. I'm not saying we can't go out there and find a gem that is better than Lloyd Jones, but we most likely won't. Even if we do, they're not ten a penny - it will cost more than it would to retain Lloyd Jones.Callumcafc said:
As he should be if you’re running a football club sensibly. Every player has a price. If someone gives us enough money to get a decent replacement and build out other areas of the squad on top, we’ll have done good business.ShootersHillGuru said:
Jones walks free in the summer. He’s as yet not signed anything we’ve put in front of him. Obviously he’s keeping his options open and why shouldn’t he. There have been bids for Jones and so far they’ve been rejected which is good but if our valuation is met he’ll be gone. If you genuinely believe it was good business to lose Dobson, May and CBT then I can’t begin to bother to argue the point.Callumcafc said:
Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.ShootersHillGuru said:
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.Callumcafc said:
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.mcgrandall said:
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.NabySarr said:
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhereNabySarr said:
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first elevenShootersHillGuru said:
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.NabySarr said:Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre backI know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.
If he leaves on a free after two years then we’ll be in exactly the same place we were when we signed him as a free agent two years prior.
I would like him to stay but these are third tier calibre players we’re talking about - adequate replacements are ten a penny and there is always talent available that can help us push on with or without Jones, Dobson, May. We just have to uncover it before other clubs do.24 -
Our transfer dealings are on the whole more bad than good
Sadly
If we looked at the list of signings made by the SMY pre Jones and post Jones would we see a significant improvement?
If we looked at the list of signings made by TS pre SMT would we see a significant improvement?
If we looked at the signings by MS and the bunch of sheisters would we see a significant improvement?
If we looked at the signings by Bowyer and Gallen backed by Driesden (ALLEGEDLY) would we see a significant improvement ?
I hazard a guess that Bowyer and Gallen are the only ones above that actually for a very long time, acquired either on loan or on permanent, decent players that improved the squad from the season before.
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I would say that since Jones there has been an improvement.supaclive said:Our transfer dealings are on the whole more bad than good
Sadly
If we looked at the list of signings made by the SMY pre Jones and post Jones would we see a significant improvement?
If we looked at the list of signings made by TS pre SMT would we see a significant improvement?
If we looked at the signings by MS and the bunch of sheisters would we see a significant improvement?
If we looked at the signings by Bowyer and Gallen backed by Driesden (ALLEGEDLY) would we see a significant improvement ?
I hazard a guess that Bowyer and Gallen are the only ones above that actually for a very long time, acquired either on loan or on permanent, decent players that improved the squad from the season before.
We have been permanently rubbish since we came back downBefore Jones, our only good signings with Andy Scott pulling the strings were Lloyd Jones and Conor Coventry. (I actually think Lloyd Jones might even have been Storrie and Holden, before Scott re-joined)
Jones immediately brought in Ramsay and Small, 2 of our better signings of recent years. And then this summer Josh Edwards, Alex Mitchell and Will Mannion are all good signings6 -
I'd struggle to name all the signings under ESI 1 probably - Andre Green,Matt Smith (Man City), David Davis and Aidan McGeady???? Was Leko in there????
Think this summer has definitely had some good signings but it's tempered by the disappointments.0 -
Ramsey, Small, Edwards, Mitchell and Mannion tickNabySarr said:
I would say that since Jones there has been an improvement.supaclive said:Our transfer dealings are on the whole more bad than good
Sadly
If we looked at the list of signings made by the SMY pre Jones and post Jones would we see a significant improvement?
If we looked at the list of signings made by TS pre SMT would we see a significant improvement?
If we looked at the signings by MS and the bunch of sheisters would we see a significant improvement?
If we looked at the signings by Bowyer and Gallen backed by Driesden (ALLEGEDLY) would we see a significant improvement ?
I hazard a guess that Bowyer and Gallen are the only ones above that actually for a very long time, acquired either on loan or on permanent, decent players that improved the squad from the season before.
We have been permanently rubbish since we came back downBefore Jones, our only good signings with Andy Scott pulling the strings were Lloyd Jones and Conor Coventry. (I actually think Lloyd Jones might even have been Storrie and Holden, before Scott re-joined)
Jones immediately brought in Ramsay and Small, 2 of our better signings of recent years. And then this summer Josh Edwards, Alex Mitchell and Will Mannion are all good signings
Campbell A, Doherty, Berry, Godden, GAS, Hylton, Potts in but CBT, Dobson, May out, I am of the opinion we are not any better this year than we were last, we just have a better manager (Jones v Valdemort) and that I'd argue our side from when Jones took over last year versus the side we've had this year and the results, we are results wise, worse....
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If we want promotion then we need to start building a squad that’s stronger after each window. Personally I think even with good recruitment and retention that’s probably three windows including this one. We have a nucleus of around five players that we should be building around. Losing two or three of these types of key players every window makes the squad building harder and longer. It’s frankly bollocks to think we can be smarter in recruiting players than other clubs. We really can’t. It’s going to take serious investment to recruit and retain and no small amount of luck also. I can see that someone like Miles is slightly different. We might be in a position to get perhaps north of three million for him and that money can really make a dent in squad building. It’s sensible footballing business for the club and Miles. The others are different because replacing them is going to cost unless we’re very lucky as much as the fee received and even then a gamble. I don’t see very much of the above in our strategy at present and unless there’s a change or phenomenal luck we’re going to be stuck in this poxy league for the foreseeable.5
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No.....But he was useless with us and that's my point.AberystwythAddick said:
Doesn't mean he was a bad player at Peterborough though does itredbuttle said:
Yes and so was Ajose but they were both totally useless for us.Pelling1993 said:
Marcus Maddison makes a strong case for being in the best league 1 side of all time. His stats were absolutely incredible 6 seasons on the spin at Peterborough, the problem was he was an absolute bellend but he was very good for Poshredbuttle said:
Nicky Jose wasn't one of them and neither was Marcus Maddison and we ended up with both of them.Sambcafc said:
You’ve only got to read some of the horrendous takes on here to know that fans forums are not a good source of truth haha.redbuttle said:
Sorry but you need to look at their fans forumsChris_from_Sidcup said:24 goals in the last 1.5 seasons, surely he isn't that bad?The fans forums were very negative on Dobson. Just as an example.Peterborough have had some fantastic strikers over the years - so their bar is high0 -
I posted similar thoughts yesterday on the "Playoffs? "thread.ShootersHillGuru said:If we want promotion then we need to start building a squad that’s stronger after each window. Personally I think even with good recruitment and retention that’s probably three windows including this one. We have a nucleus of around five players that we should be building around. Losing two or three of these types of key players every window makes the squad building harder and longer. It’s frankly bollocks to think we can be smarter in recruiting players than other clubs. We really can’t. It’s going to take serious investment to recruit and retain and no small amount of luck also. I can see that someone like Miles is slightly different. We might be in a position to get perhaps north of three million for him and that money can really make a dent in squad building. It’s sensible footballing business for the club and Miles. The others are different because replacing them is going to cost unless we’re very lucky as much as the fee received and even then a gamble. I don’t see very much of the above in our strategy at present and unless there’s a change or phenomenal luck we’re going to be stuck in this poxy league for the foreseeable.
Totally agree we have to build a squad around our key players even of it means pushing the boat out on extending their contracts.
At some point, the owners will be forced to speculate to accumulate so why not in this current window.4 -
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up.Callumcafc said:
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.ElfsborgAddick said:
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months.Bailey said:
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.ElfsborgAddick said:
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.Bailey said:
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.ElfsborgAddick said:overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play@Bailey I would say that we are not in a good position at all.
The table does not lie.
The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
I wonder if we were top would you be saying the league table is irrelevent?11 -
Southampton fans are planning for Champions League football next season 😀Covered End said:
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up.Callumcafc said:
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.ElfsborgAddick said:
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months.Bailey said:
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.ElfsborgAddick said:
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.Bailey said:
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.ElfsborgAddick said:overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play@Bailey I would say that we are not in a good position at all.
The table does not lie.
The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.5 -
No apparently mate, ranked 9th on fotmob, 1st whoscored, and I imagine probably leading the charge on LL's thread for player ratings if it's not Ramsay?TelMc32 said:
I like a lot of your posts @callumcafc but this isn’t one of them. We’ve proven ourselves less than competent in the transfer market and even some of the better looking signings have not worked out. Lloyd has, apparently, some of the best stats in the division although I prefer to judge him on his value to the team and that seems very obvious given how we performed with and without him.Callumcafc said:
As he should be if you’re running a football club sensibly. Every player has a price. If someone gives us enough money to get a decent replacement and build out other areas of the squad on top, we’ll have done good business.ShootersHillGuru said:
Jones walks free in the summer. He’s as yet not signed anything we’ve put in front of him. Obviously he’s keeping his options open and why shouldn’t he. There have been bids for Jones and so far they’ve been rejected which is good but if our valuation is met he’ll be gone. If you genuinely believe it was good business to lose Dobson, May and CBT then I can’t begin to bother to argue the point.Callumcafc said:
Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.ShootersHillGuru said:
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.Callumcafc said:
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.mcgrandall said:
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.NabySarr said:
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhereNabySarr said:
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first elevenShootersHillGuru said:
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.NabySarr said:Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre backI know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.
If he leaves on a free after two years then we’ll be in exactly the same place we were when we signed him as a free agent two years prior.
I would like him to stay but these are third tier calibre players we’re talking about - adequate replacements are ten a penny and there is always talent available that can help us push on with or without Jones, Dobson, May. We just have to uncover it before other clubs do.
Centre backs as good as Lloyd Jones don't grow on trees. If it was that simple to go and replace him, other clubs wouldn't be bothering to submit bids on a 29 year old who's a free agent in the summer, they'd just go and sign said easy players to find instead.
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ShootersHillGuru said:If we want promotion then we need to start building a squad that’s stronger after each window. Personally I think even with good recruitment and retention that’s probably three windows including this one. We have a nucleus of around five players that we should be building around. Losing two or three of these types of key players every window makes the squad building harder and longer. It’s frankly bollocks to think we can be smarter in recruiting players than other clubs. We really can’t. It’s going to take serious investment to recruit and retain and no small amount of luck also. I can see that someone like Miles is slightly different. We might be in a position to get perhaps north of three million for him and that money can really make a dent in squad building. It’s sensible footballing business for the club and Miles. The others are different because replacing them is going to cost unless we’re very lucky as much as the fee received and even then a gamble. I don’t see very much of the above in our strategy at present and unless there’s a change or phenomenal luck we’re going to be stuck in this poxy league for the foreseeable.
Trouble is you have been saying it will take 3 transfer windows for about 5 years!
In L1 it is bordering the impossible to hold on to any exceptional youth/young talent for any length of time (Beadle, Sarmiento, Ramazzani, probably Leaburn etc), and we don't seem to want to pay top L1 wages to retain our best talent (Dobson, likely L Jones and Small).
Meanwhile, each year that clicks by is as further £9M loss flushed down the toilet by our owners and a year closer to our lease ending.
If we take 3 more windows that writes this season off and next. So let's say we got up in May '27... Our owners would be down £48M by then, still not own The Valley and have just made the Championship. They better hope that they sell Leaburn and Dixon for an absolute shit tonne of money!
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