As many have said the problems go deeper than the manager.
So I'd start with a new director of football/Head of Recruitment.
Someone like Phil Chapple who did the role with Powell in 2012 and was with Jones when Luton were successful.
Sure there are others who I have no knowledge of who could do a better job and bring some vision and consistency.
And we need to drop this "no EPL loans" nonsense. We can see the results of that on the pitch as other teams make good use of young talent and we don't.
A concern I have is that if the Americans have no intention of selling, do they know who to go to for good advice on new recruitment.
Yes, the SMT !!
Seriously, they have trusted Charlie and his gang but unfortunately know nothing themselves about football so would they know where to turn to next, I doubt it. Instead they may decide to cut there losses and sell to the highest bidder.
Start from the top. Get rid of Rodwell, Methven and Scott. Then employ an old head as Director of Football to choose a young man as Head Coach/Manager. (Under 40)
Some of the best managers at Charlton were at the Valley under the age of 40. Lennie, Curbs, Seed
As many have said the problems go deeper than the manager.
So I'd start with a new director of football/Head of Recruitment.
Someone like Phil Chapple who did the role with Powell in 2012 and was with Jones when Luton were successful.
Sure there are others who I have no knowledge of who could do a better job and bring some vision and consistency.
And we need to drop this "no EPL loans" nonsense. We can see the results of that on the pitch as other teams make good use of young talent and we don't.
Agree.
I feel for whoever comes in now. I was actually pleased Jones got given the job as he has had some success and initially, looked like he was getting a tune out the players.
Unfortunately, as HI points out and as Airman has mentioned, structurally, the club is f*****.
The latest SMT have procured investment from wealthy backers, but their sales pitch is going south and realistically I can see one more season after this (at best) of them funding the club. They would’ve been sold on Methven and Co’s message that the amount of funding they’ve given so far will be enough, when quite clearly, it isn’t.
That’s not to say what they have given couldn’t have been spent better, just pointing out that we now have another squad/team of players who aren’t good enough, and come the summer, we’ll be facing yet another summer of debating on here, how many we think we need (Groundhog Day for all of us again).
This remains the biggest problem, and ultimately it all leads back to RD’s purchase in 2014 and the fact he still owns the only thing of any value associated with this club. We’ve done the debate about him owning the ground to death.
Football continues to change quite rapidly with more and more money required at lower levels just to get some pretty bang average to crap players to come and play for you.
The wider game is actually in a very dangerous place imo, with what is happening at Brum, at Wrexham and the ripple effect for league one and league two teams.
Our other problem is that the DNA of what made us successful as a club has been completely destroyed. We ultimately need Charlton people in charge of the club, or at least, people that understand our heritage. That part of the club has either died or been dying out for too long.
At the moment we’re a risky sports entertainment investment for money men to throw some short term cash at, fail and then the next group comes along. It will either continue this way, or we end up a completely unattractive investment, in which case we are likely to be in for some real pain as fans that could be in the not too distant
As many have said the problems go deeper than the manager.
So I'd start with a new director of football/Head of Recruitment.
Someone like Phil Chapple who did the role with Powell in 2012 and was with Jones when Luton were successful.
Sure there are others who I have no knowledge of who could do a better job and bring some vision and consistency.
And we need to drop this "no EPL loans" nonsense. We can see the results of that on the pitch as other teams make good use of young talent and we don't.
If we want good PL loans we will need to change playing style or manager. PL clubs want their kids playing a much more modern style of football
I feel like I should make up some sort of meme to repost over and over again, because I find my self saying the same thing every six months or so: As much as I respect, love and admire them, the last thing I'd want to see is Curbs or Powell back. They are footballing heroes. I don't want that sullied when, like everyone else, we discover that they can no longer do it at this shit show of a club.
Start from the top. Get rid of Rodwell, Methven and Scott. Then employ an old head as Director of Football to choose a young man as Head Coach/Manager. (Under 40)
Some of the best managers at Charlton were at the Valley under the age of 40. Lennie, Curbs, Seed
Who gets rid of them . Aren’t they the part of the actual behind the scenes set up ?
A concern I have is that if the Americans have no intention of selling, do they know who to go to for good advice on new recruitment.
Yes, the SMT !!
Seriously, they have trusted Charlie and his gang but unfortunately know nothing themselves about football so would they know where to turn to next, I doubt it. Instead they may decide to cut there losses and sell to the highest bidder.
I think the queue for bidding might be mightily short. I also don’t think the yanks aren’t looking to sell. I suspect they’re actively looking for expert advice outside of our SMT.
Chris Powell please, proven in this divison and will united the supporters immediately behind the team. A new Manager needs to be in place ASAP so they can use the January window. Its not worked out with Jones so lets not drag it out any longer......
Start from the top. Get rid of Rodwell, Methven and Scott. Then employ an old head as Director of Football to choose a young man as Head Coach/Manager. (Under 40)
Some of the best managers at Charlton were at the Valley under the age of 40. Lennie, Curbs, Seed
Who gets rid of them . Aren’t they the part of the actual behind the scenes set up ?
The Americans give them the boot and bring in a new team, ultimately this will have to happen. How they go about it and who they bring in is another matter.
one of the reasons we are so shit is the constant sacking of managers and the reinventing of the wheel.
back not sack, improve the back room staff, improve scouting and improve budgets.
When jones joined, we were outside the relegation zone on goal difference (I think). We were at an all time low. I don’t think we will improve on that if we constantly have two managers a year.
I'd agree with you if the manager we currently had was getting us playing nice football but struggling to consistent wins. Unfortunately he is having us play worse football than Adkins and doesn't have a good win % to go with it.
He's also proven in this transfer window he hasn't got a scooby doo. Majority of the signings have been extremely underwhelming and given the chance again, he will just sign more of his mates.
I'll always back a manager who says the right things and gets us playing a positive way. This just isn't that man and never will be
We are broken in every way, but the rot starts at the top. The owners need to install a sensible SMT and then invest in a good manager and squad over time - I reckon it would then take 3-5 years to see a turnaround
Hart and Avory leaving within a few weeks of each other, their reasons may be genuine but possibly there could have been issues they disagreed with and thought they want to spend more time on the golf course.
Dave Challinor - His Stockport side had a bad day at the office vs us, but the table don't lie, and he's had them playing decent football for years. I don't think he'd leave for us, but he'd get it done I reckon.
Michael Skubula - Very decent record at Lincoln, hasn't quite got them going as much this season, but apparently he's been dealt a low hand. Hard to ignore his run of form at the back end of last season. I think with better resources he could achieve more
Darren Moore (probably no1 choice) - Very impressive record at West Brom and Doncaster all things considered. Sheffield Wednesday did a great job. Small blip at Huddersfield who were destined for relegation, and now doing a fantastic job so far this season with Port Vale. I think as a character, our fan base will warm to him a bit more. He's a man of the people type and isn't quite as cold as Appleton and Jones.
Ruben Selles - doing ridiculously well at Reading considering their circumstances. Reckon he will end up with a championship gig, looking like Hull atm, but he would get us playing attractive football.
Hart and Avory leaving within a few weeks of each other, their reasons may be genuine but possibly there could have been issues they disagreed with and thought they want to spend more time on the golf course.
Have also been wondering about this. Have either been replaced, anyone know?
What I don't want is any ex Charlton managers excluding Curbs.
Powell managed after us and did poorly. I believe the stars aligned for him here and I don't think he could replicate it again. One of my heroes and don't want to see his reputation tarnished.
Bowyer had us playing pants football by the end and had ran his race. I think if he came back we would have an initial bounce similar to us and Birmingham City, but it would ultimately fizzle out and we would be in a similar position we are now imo.
Jackson, no thanks. Top bloke, fantastic player for us, but he's making the same mistakes at Wimbledon he was making here. Similar to Nathan Jones, Jackson sets up Wimbledon in a way that gives up the lions share of possession, and doesn't take their chances to make up for it. Literally conceded a 97th minute equaliser yesterday for sitting too deep and sitting on a result. Wimbledon currently in 8th despite having a fair amount of games in hand. I just don't think that would work.
Rob Elliot on the other hand looks like he may be a decent coach. Thought Crawley played some tidy stuff and their budget is naff. Could be someone to keen an eye on. Charlton academy lad, Charlton fan, a manager we could get behind. I'd rather a punt on him than any of the 3 above.
For experimental purposes alone, I'd always like Curbs. The man has a lifetime of good credit, and I'd love to see if he's still got it.
Dave Challinor - His Stockport side had a bad day at the office vs us, but the table don't lie, and he's had them playing decent football for years. I don't think he'd leave for us, but he'd get it done I reckon.
Michael Skubula - Very decent record at Lincoln, hasn't quite got them going as much this season, but apparently he's been dealt a low hand. Hard to ignore his run of form at the back end of last season. I think with better resources he could achieve more
Darren Moore (probably no1 choice) - Very impressive record at West Brom and Doncaster all things considered. Sheffield Wednesday did a great job. Small blip at Huddersfield who were destined for relegation, and now doing a fantastic job so far this season with Port Vale. I think as a character, our fan base will warm to him a bit more. He's a man of the people type and isn't quite as cold as Appleton and Jones.
Ruben Selles - doing ridiculously well at Reading considering their circumstances. Reckon he will end up with a championship gig, looking like Hull atm, but he would get us playing attractive football.
Moore is probably the only realistic option out of those. Would be very happy with that
What I don't want is any ex Charlton managers excluding Curbs.
Powell managed after us and did poorly. I believe the stars aligned for him here and I don't think he could replicate it again. One of my heroes and don't want to see his reputation tarnished.
Bowyer had us playing pants football by the end and had ran his race. I think if he came back we would have an initial bounce similar to us and Birmingham City, but it would ultimately fizzle out and we would be in a similar position we are now imo.
Jackson, no thanks. Top bloke, fantastic player for us, but he's making the same mistakes at Wimbledon he was making here. Similar to Nathan Jones, Jackson sets up Wimbledon in a way that gives up the lions share of possession, and doesn't take their chances to make up for it. Literally conceded a 97th minute equaliser yesterday for sitting too deep and sitting on a result. Wimbledon currently in 8th despite having a fair amount of games in hand. I just don't think that would work.
Rob Elliot on the other hand looks like he may be a decent coach. Thought Crawley played some tidy stuff and their budget is naff. Could be someone to keen an eye on. Charlton academy lad, Charlton fan, a manager we could get behind. I'd rather a punt on him than any of the 3 above.
For experimental purposes alone, I'd always like Curbs. The man has a lifetime of good credit, and I'd love to see if he's still got it.
I don’t think he’d touch it with a barge pole to be honest. Does he really need the agro and stress ? Having said that, would he be interested in a short term deal if it was between that and us floundering ? Curbs was a pragmatist and would know exactly how to set us up to get the best out of what we’ve got. Whoever eventually replaces Jones has to accept that we’re a project not a quick fix. Curbs would be daft to take that on.
Dave Challinor - His Stockport side had a bad day at the office vs us, but the table don't lie, and he's had them playing decent football for years. I don't think he'd leave for us, but he'd get it done I reckon.
Michael Skubula - Very decent record at Lincoln, hasn't quite got them going as much this season, but apparently he's been dealt a low hand. Hard to ignore his run of form at the back end of last season. I think with better resources he could achieve more
Darren Moore (probably no1 choice) - Very impressive record at West Brom and Doncaster all things considered. Sheffield Wednesday did a great job. Small blip at Huddersfield who were destined for relegation, and now doing a fantastic job so far this season with Port Vale. I think as a character, our fan base will warm to him a bit more. He's a man of the people type and isn't quite as cold as Appleton and Jones.
Ruben Selles - doing ridiculously well at Reading considering their circumstances. Reckon he will end up with a championship gig, looking like Hull atm, but he would get us playing attractive football.
Moore is probably the only realistic option out of those. Would be very happy with that
Didn’t he sign a really long contract with Vale? Imagine he’ll be expensive
Dave Challinor - His Stockport side had a bad day at the office vs us, but the table don't lie, and he's had them playing decent football for years. I don't think he'd leave for us, but he'd get it done I reckon.
Michael Skubula - Very decent record at Lincoln, hasn't quite got them going as much this season, but apparently he's been dealt a low hand. Hard to ignore his run of form at the back end of last season. I think with better resources he could achieve more
Darren Moore (probably no1 choice) - Very impressive record at West Brom and Doncaster all things considered. Sheffield Wednesday did a great job. Small blip at Huddersfield who were destined for relegation, and now doing a fantastic job so far this season with Port Vale. I think as a character, our fan base will warm to him a bit more. He's a man of the people type and isn't quite as cold as Appleton and Jones.
Ruben Selles - doing ridiculously well at Reading considering their circumstances. Reckon he will end up with a championship gig, looking like Hull atm, but he would get us playing attractive football.
Moore is probably the only realistic option out of those. Would be very happy with that
Didn’t he sign a really long contract with Vale? Imagine he’ll be expensive
Depends on the contract terms. Quite possible there is some kind of buyout clause
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So I'd start with a new director of football/Head of Recruitment.
Someone like Phil Chapple who did the role with Powell in 2012 and was with Jones when Luton were successful.
Sure there are others who I have no knowledge of who could do a better job and bring some vision and consistency.
And we need to drop this "no EPL loans" nonsense. We can see the results of that on the pitch as other teams make good use of young talent and we don't.
Unfortunately, as HI points out and as Airman has mentioned, structurally, the club is f*****.
The latest SMT have procured investment from wealthy backers, but their sales pitch is going south and realistically I can see one more season after this (at best) of them funding the club. They would’ve been sold on Methven and Co’s message that the amount of funding they’ve given so far will be enough, when quite clearly, it isn’t.
That’s not to say what they have given couldn’t have been spent better, just pointing out that we now have another squad/team of players who aren’t good enough, and come the summer, we’ll be facing yet another summer of debating on here, how many we think we need (Groundhog Day for all of us again).
This remains the biggest problem, and ultimately it all leads back to RD’s purchase in 2014 and the fact he still owns the only thing of any value associated with this club. We’ve done the debate about him owning the ground to death.
Football continues to change quite rapidly with more and more money required at lower levels just to get some pretty bang average to crap players to come and play for you.
Chris Powell
Lee Bowyer
Mark Robins
Dave Challinor
Scott Lindsey
Ruben Selles
I think the queue for bidding might be mightily short. I also don’t think the yanks aren’t looking to sell. I suspect they’re actively looking for expert advice outside of our SMT.
Stick a pin in him and he'd evaporate.
The Americans give them the boot and bring in a new team, ultimately this will have to happen. How they go about it and who they bring in is another matter.
He's also proven in this transfer window he hasn't got a scooby doo. Majority of the signings have been extremely underwhelming and given the chance again, he will just sign more of his mates.
I'll always back a manager who says the right things and gets us playing a positive way. This just isn't that man and never will be
Dave Challinor - His Stockport side had a bad day at the office vs us, but the table don't lie, and he's had them playing decent football for years. I don't think he'd leave for us, but he'd get it done I reckon.
Michael Skubula - Very decent record at Lincoln, hasn't quite got them going as much this season, but apparently he's been dealt a low hand. Hard to ignore his run of form at the back end of last season. I think with better resources he could achieve more
Darren Moore (probably no1 choice) - Very impressive record at West Brom and Doncaster all things considered. Sheffield Wednesday did a great job. Small blip at Huddersfield who were destined for relegation, and now doing a fantastic job so far this season with Port Vale. I think as a character, our fan base will warm to him a bit more. He's a man of the people type and isn't quite as cold as Appleton and Jones.
Ruben Selles - doing ridiculously well at Reading considering their circumstances. Reckon he will end up with a championship gig, looking like Hull atm, but he would get us playing attractive football.
Powell managed after us and did poorly. I believe the stars aligned for him here and I don't think he could replicate it again. One of my heroes and don't want to see his reputation tarnished.
Bowyer had us playing pants football by the end and had ran his race. I think if he came back we would have an initial bounce similar to us and Birmingham City, but it would ultimately fizzle out and we would be in a similar position we are now imo.
Jackson, no thanks. Top bloke, fantastic player for us, but he's making the same mistakes at Wimbledon he was making here. Similar to Nathan Jones, Jackson sets up Wimbledon in a way that gives up the lions share of possession, and doesn't take their chances to make up for it. Literally conceded a 97th minute equaliser yesterday for sitting too deep and sitting on a result. Wimbledon currently in 8th despite having a fair amount of games in hand. I just don't think that would work.
Rob Elliot on the other hand looks like he may be a decent coach. Thought Crawley played some tidy stuff and their budget is naff. Could be someone to keen an eye on. Charlton academy lad, Charlton fan, a manager we could get behind. I'd rather a punt on him than any of the 3 above.
For experimental purposes alone, I'd always like Curbs. The man has a lifetime of good credit, and I'd love to see if he's still got it.