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  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,837
    arny23394 said:
    DennisBooth said:
    If Cook is a Test bowler I am a nuclear scientist. Pace at 77MPH. Not going to trouble good Test match batsmen.  Bashir is looking threatening.
    If Stokes thinks he is good enough that will do me. Don’t you just love amateur experts.
    I refuse to believe Stokes really wanted him over Potts . 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,022
    Bashir does bowl wicket taking deliveries. But he also bowls a lot of loose stuff, and you fear that better batsmen will milk him.

    That he took 6 wickets doesn't say much about the seam attack though. 
  • arny23394
    arny23394 Posts: 1,200
    wmcf123 said:
    arny23394 said:
    DennisBooth said:
    If Cook is a Test bowler I am a nuclear scientist. Pace at 77MPH. Not going to trouble good Test match batsmen.  Bashir is looking threatening.
    If Stokes thinks he is good enough that will do me. Don’t you just love amateur experts.
    I refuse to believe Stokes really wanted him over Potts . 
    I was just copying his response to me saying Bashir isn’t good enough. 
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,120
    killerandflash said:
    Bashir does bowl wicket taking deliveries. But he also bowls a lot of loose stuff, and you fear that better batsmen will milk him.

    That he took 6 wickets doesn't say much about the seam attack though. 

    This is my worry with him against India and especially Australia, there's some excellent attacking batsman in both sides that will relish some of what Bashir serves up. 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,734
    Bashir can bowl some absolute pearlers, he just needs to get more consistent. Can’t do that without playing matches though 
  • DennisBooth
    DennisBooth Posts: 146

    MarcusH26 said:
    killerandflash said:
    Bashir does bowl wicket taking deliveries. But he also bowls a lot of loose stuff, and you fear that better batsmen will milk him.

    That he took 6 wickets doesn't say much about the seam attack though. 

    This is my worry with him against India and especially Australia, there's some excellent attacking batsman in both sides that will relish some of what Bashir serves up. 
    He has got the ability to get batsmen out. Every spinner will bowl a loose ball. His height on hard pitches will be an advantage as he will get some bounce. He delivers the ball with a lot of overspin which makes the ball dip. 
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,837
    arny23394 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    arny23394 said:
    DennisBooth said:
    If Cook is a Test bowler I am a nuclear scientist. Pace at 77MPH. Not going to trouble good Test match batsmen.  Bashir is looking threatening.
    If Stokes thinks he is good enough that will do me. Don’t you just love amateur experts.
    I refuse to believe Stokes really wanted him over Potts . 
    I was just copying his response to me saying Bashir isn’t good enough. 
    I don’t think Bashir nor Cook should start the Ashes .  Bashir has talent - not sure how that should be enhanced best .  
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,879
    Winners from that Test: Crawley, Pope, Bashir, Woakes, Potts and Carse.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,930
    edited May 28
    Harry Brook has just announced in a news conference the XI for tomorrow's ODI against the Windies with Jamie Smith the new partner for Duckett. Buttler is back with the gloves. Long batting line up but I do fear for our spin options beyond Rashid:

    Duckett
    Smith
    Root 
    Brook (C)
    Buttler (WK)
    Bethell
    Jacks
    Overton
    Carse
    Rashid
    Mahmood


  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,022
    Atkinson injured, so the seam ranks are a bit thin too.

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  • CHG
    CHG Posts: 4,533
    killerandflash said:
    Atkinson injured, so the seam ranks are a bit thin too.
    Bloody hell, yes, 3 seamers. Brooks might have to wobble a few down. 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,402
    Callumcafc said:
    Winners from that Test: Crawley, Pope, Bashir, Woakes, Potts and Carse.
    And Ethan Bamber, who might be a bet to usurp Cook in the 'have a look at a slower seamer' stakes 
  • L0rd_M0ntagu3
    L0rd_M0ntagu3 Posts: 329
    Addick Addict said:
    Harry Brook has just announced in a news conference the XI for tomorrow's ODI against the Windies with Jamie Smith the new partner for Duckett. Buttler is back with the gloves. Long batting line up but I do fear for our spin options beyond Rashid:

    Duckett
    Smith
    Root 
    Brook (C)
    Buttler (WK)
    Bethell
    Jacks
    Overton
    Carse
    Rashid
    Mahmood


    I do not understand how Overton gets into the side, and I don’t think Rashid will be around for the next World Cup, should be blooding a new spinner 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,930
    edited May 28
    L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:
    Addick Addict said:
    Harry Brook has just announced in a news conference the XI for tomorrow's ODI against the Windies with Jamie Smith the new partner for Duckett. Buttler is back with the gloves. Long batting line up but I do fear for our spin options beyond Rashid:

    Duckett
    Smith
    Root 
    Brook (C)
    Buttler (WK)
    Bethell
    Jacks
    Overton
    Carse
    Rashid
    Mahmood


    I do not understand how Overton gets into the side, and I don’t think Rashid will be around for the next World Cup, should be blooding a new spinner 
    I suspect that we will probably see the Rehan and/or Farhan Ahmed given an opportunity in the not too distant future. Being an offie, Farhan is the one with more control and probably the better of the two even though he is only just 17 though Rehan is a more "like for like" replacement for Rashid give he is a leggie. 
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,837
    L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:
    Addick Addict said:
    Harry Brook has just announced in a news conference the XI for tomorrow's ODI against the Windies with Jamie Smith the new partner for Duckett. Buttler is back with the gloves. Long batting line up but I do fear for our spin options beyond Rashid:

    Duckett
    Smith
    Root 
    Brook (C)
    Buttler (WK)
    Bethell
    Jacks
    Overton
    Carse
    Rashid
    Mahmood


    I do not understand how Overton gets into the side, and I don’t think Rashid will be around for the next World Cup, should be blooding a new spinner 
    I guess the likes of Curran have had a lot of chances .  I don’t think there are a lot of really good seamers around . 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,022
    Addick Addict said:
    L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:
    Addick Addict said:
    Harry Brook has just announced in a news conference the XI for tomorrow's ODI against the Windies with Jamie Smith the new partner for Duckett. Buttler is back with the gloves. Long batting line up but I do fear for our spin options beyond Rashid:

    Duckett
    Smith
    Root 
    Brook (C)
    Buttler (WK)
    Bethell
    Jacks
    Overton
    Carse
    Rashid
    Mahmood


    I do not understand how Overton gets into the side, and I don’t think Rashid will be around for the next World Cup, should be blooding a new spinner 
    I suspect that we will probably see the Rehan and/or Farhan Ahmed given an opportunity in the not too distant future. Being an offie, Farhan is the one with more control and probably the better of the two even though he is only just 17 though Rehan is a more "like for like" replacement for Rashid give he is a leggie. 
    Rehan's batting could be an asset as well. Two centuries this season already
  • Billy_Mix
    Billy_Mix Posts: 2,713
    If the bowling performance against Zimbabwe is indicative of what this squad is capable of then the India batters are going to dine on them like hyenas on a wildebeest carcass
    Irrespective of the conditions if Gill wins the toss he can opt to bat first, rack up 700 in 5 sessions and have 10 sessions to win the game.  Only Stokes carries any discernible threat and his bowling will be limited
    England's score against Zim ain't carrying much comfort either.  The Zim attack was naive to put it mildly and the fielding was truly village.
    England v India will likely look like the Zimbabwe match but with the hosts as the prey.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,358
    Billy_Mix said:
    If the bowling performance against Zimbabwe is indicative of what this squad is capable of then the India batters are going to dine on them like hyenas on a wildebeest carcass
    Irrespective of the conditions if Gill wins the toss he can opt to bat first, rack up 700 in 5 sessions and have 10 sessions to win the game.  Only Stokes carries any discernible threat and his bowling will be limited
    England's score against Zim ain't carrying much comfort either.  The Zim attack was naive to put it mildly and the fielding was truly village.
    England v India will likely look like the Zimbabwe match but with the hosts as the prey.
    I don't think India will make 700 in five sessions in any Test this Summer.  
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,930
    L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:
    Addick Addict said:
    Harry Brook has just announced in a news conference the XI for tomorrow's ODI against the Windies with Jamie Smith the new partner for Duckett. Buttler is back with the gloves. Long batting line up but I do fear for our spin options beyond Rashid:

    Duckett
    Smith
    Root 
    Brook (C)
    Buttler (WK)
    Bethell
    Jacks
    Overton
    Carse
    Rashid
    Mahmood


    I do not understand how Overton gets into the side, and I don’t think Rashid will be around for the next World Cup, should be blooding a new spinner 
    I hadn't realised it until Nasser just mentioned it but we are currently 8th in qualification for the WC and the Windies are 9th with the top 8 qualifying which is probably the reason right now why we are persisting with Rashid for now at least. 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,358
    Addick Addict said:
    L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:
    Addick Addict said:
    Harry Brook has just announced in a news conference the XI for tomorrow's ODI against the Windies with Jamie Smith the new partner for Duckett. Buttler is back with the gloves. Long batting line up but I do fear for our spin options beyond Rashid:

    Duckett
    Smith
    Root 
    Brook (C)
    Buttler (WK)
    Bethell
    Jacks
    Overton
    Carse
    Rashid
    Mahmood


    I do not understand how Overton gets into the side, and I don’t think Rashid will be around for the next World Cup, should be blooding a new spinner 
    I hadn't realised it until Nasser just mentioned it but we are currently 8th in qualification for the WC and the Windies are 9th with the top 8 qualifying which is probably the reason right now why we are persisting with Rashid for now at least. 
    The top eight in the rankings qualify plus the hosts, South Africa and Zimbabwe.  Given that SA are ranked six and Zimbabwe eleven, it effectively means the top nine qualify, plus Zimbabwe.  That's everyone down to, but not including, Bangladesh.  Any team not finishing above Bangladesh doesn't really deserve to reach the finals, in my view.  

    Nasser Hussain's comments implied a bit more jeopardy on the current series than exits in reality. 

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  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,734
    Incredible batting from Bethell in this ODI 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,879
    edited May 29
    The first time an ODI team has reached 400 without a player hitting a century. And the first time that seven batters have scored 30 or more.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,930
    fenaddick said:
    Incredible batting from Bethell in this ODI 
    He is a real talent. Hopefully he'll get that ton soon too. Brook, Smith and Bethell in our top six for years to come is quite an exciting prospect. 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,930
    That looked particularly unpleasant for Overton. Who knew that Bethell could be a like-for-like replacement to finish the over. 
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,743
    fenaddick said:
    Incredible batting from Bethell in this ODI 
    He still has a shit haircut though 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,930
    edited May 29
    Unless Overton returns (and given it is his bowling hand that seems unlikely), we now only have two seamers plus one frontline spinner in Rashid with the other 19 overs to be shared between Bethell, Jacks and Root.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,930
    edited May 29
    That is brain dead cricket from Carty. He knows that Mahmood and Carse can't carry on bowling through so one end will open up even if Rashid is bowling at the other. Wouldn't be surprised if his fellow players shun him in the dressing room and leave him on his Todd. 
  • CHG
    CHG Posts: 4,533
    Addick Addict said:
    Unless Overton returns (and given it is his bowling hand that seems unlikely), we now only have two seamers plus one frontline spinner in Rashid with the other 19 overs to be shared between Bethell, Jacks and Root.
    Comfortably enough bowling I reckon 😀
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,743
    Addick Addict said:
    Unless Overton returns (and given it is his bowling hand that seems unlikely), we now only have two seamers plus one frontline spinner in Rashid with the other 19 overs to be shared between Bethell, Jacks and Root.
    5 wickets for Jacks incoming. 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,930
    It's a good job that the Windies have played for all of their bats because it's very difficult to set fields when the inside edge is in constant use. 

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