Our white ball team is just awful. We keep packing the squad with part time bowlers that should be batting 8 at the highest. How Bairstow isn't walking into this side is beyond me
Our white ball team is just awful. We keep packing the squad with part time bowlers that should be batting 8 at the highest. How Bairstow isn't walking into this side is beyond me
Our white ball team is just awful. We keep packing the squad with part time bowlers that should be batting 8 at the highest. How Bairstow isn't walking into this side is beyond me
Really like this comment. Insofar as there's lots to unpack.
I don't think Gus Atkinson will be getting another over in this match.
Well he has come back probably with the intent of restoring his confidence with a wicket. Sadly it's anything but that as he goes another 16 runs to give him figures of 2-0-38-0.
The Indian spinners looked unplayable with all bar Buttler of our batters looking clueless and they returned combined figures of 12-1-67-5. By comparison, we only bowled 3 overs of spin (3-0-34-1) presumably because Buttler doesn't trust our twirlers.
England U19s beat South Africa by 5 wickets with 189 balls left chasing just 88 in an ODI. It was played at the Wally Wilson Oval; Western Province Cricket Club in Cape Town and I have to say that the pitch looks like the back square at a cricket club and the outfield resembled the local park. Surely an international of this status deserves something better than this?
That same dodgy pitch resulted in a reversal of fortunes for the 2nd ODI. England managed just 161 off 41.5 overs and SA chased their target down in 30.1 overs for the loss of 5 wickets, For England, Kent's Ben Dawkins played a somewhat restrained innings for him in accumulating 59 off 92 and Joseph Moores also made 59 but off 61 balls with the third highest scorer making just 8.
The venue was different for the 3rd ODI but the struggles with the bat, for both sides, are ongoing. England were 156 all out off 40.1 overs (Archie Vaughan 60) with SA winning for the loss of 6 wickets with almost 15 overs left. So the teams batting first have now been all out for 88, 161 and 156 with the side chasing losing at least 5 wickets in chasing their target down.
Rocky Flintoff scored a century earlier for the Lions. I understand some saying he’s only there for his name, and it definitely helps, but you cannot doubt the kid has talent.
Rocky Flintoff scored a century earlier for the Lions. I understand some saying he’s only there for his name, and it definitely helps, but you cannot doubt the kid has talent.
Rocky is a talent without doubt. I have no issue with the fast tracking of someone like Rocky providing the decision making comes from a position without bias and an understanding of what doing so can do to someone so young if and when things do not work out. In his case he has someone in his corner who has not only done it at international level but who has been through all the imaginable traumas, on and off the pitch, to help him who also happens to be on site as the Lions' coach. For every Rocky, though, there are numerous who didn't kick on when picked at a tender age and it difficult to evaluate what that did for their mental health. Equally, there are some that are picked relentlessly, regardless of their form and ability, which sends the wrong message to anyone aspiring to get into the England side.
Rocky Flintoff scored a century earlier for the Lions. I understand some saying he’s only there for his name, and it definitely helps, but you cannot doubt the kid has talent.
Rocky is a talent without doubt. I have no issue with the fast tracking of someone like Rocky providing the decision making comes from a position without bias and an understanding of what doing so can do to someone so young if and when things do not work out. In his case he has someone in his corner who has not only done it at international level but who has been through all the imaginable traumas, on and off the pitch, to help him who also happens to be on site as the Lions' coach. For every Rocky, though, there are numerous who didn't kick on when picked at a tender age and it difficult to evaluate what that did for their mental health. Equally, there are some that are picked relentlessly, regardless of their form and ability, which sends the wrong message to anyone aspiring to get into the England side.
Of course but there have been lots of people (not necessarily on here) saying he’s only in the squad because of his dad and that’s not fair.
There are issues with releasing teenagers/young players across all sports and it needs to be vastly improved. There needs to be some form of regulation around it but that will never happen.
Looking at the lions, U-19’s and in county cricket, there are a fair few players whose dads have played not only professionally but also on the international stage. Some will go on and play international cricket, name only goes so far but the majority of the comments on line show the mentality of the online era that we live in. Unfortunately, it gives morons a forum to vent their poor views.
out of interest, does rocky flintoff bowl.
to be honest, if rocky has been selected because of his dad, he deserves the favour purely because his dad named him rocky!!!!
Looking at the lions, U-19’s and in county cricket, there are a fair few players whose dads have played not only professionally but also on the international stage. Some will go on and play international cricket, name only goes so far but the majority of the comments on line show the mentality of the online era that we live in. Unfortunately, it gives morons a forum to vent their poor views.
out of interest, does rocky flintoff bowl.
to be honest, if rocky has been selected because of his dad, he deserves the favour purely because his dad named him rocky!!!!
A name does only get you so far but it almost always gets you on that first rung and by that I mean that the son of a father that plays in an Asian League has next to zero chance of being selected, even if he is of equal or even greater talent, ahead of someone that happens to be the son of a current or ex county player for any number of reasons. The two main reasons being that the age group coach leaves himself vulnerable to criticism from the county player who might then question the ability of that person's decision making at the county and the other is that there is an assumption that the lad with the professional cricketing background will get extra coaching from the family member. What can really become difficult for that lad is that he has to live up to his dad's reputation because of all the comparisons that are inevitably made.
I could (but I won't) name one individual who has been fast tracked all the way through to getting relentless opportunities at county 2nd XI level ahead of some that have more talent and been more successful in club and age group cricket purely because his father happens to be a county coach.
As for Rocky, he does bowl seamers but has never done so in the pro game. That might be to do with him being so young and his batting being more advanced. His older brother, Corey (18), is an allrounder too of a similar ilk to his brother and dad.
Brilliant game happening in the WAshes. England basically playing against the DLS target instead of the real target. Balanced on a knife edge
Looks like England are going to lost by 6 on DLS. They had a great chance to knock off the runs in the last over but some clever time management has meant Aus will probably get away with a win
Brilliant game happening in the WAshes. England basically playing against the DLS target instead of the real target. Balanced on a knife edge
Looks like England are going to lost by 6 on DLS. They had a great chance to knock off the runs in the last over but some clever time management has meant Aus will probably get away with a win
I haven't been following but, presumably, we would have known what the par score was all along and being 6 runs behind (i.e. needing to be 7 in front at that stage to be winning) is quite a lot with just 5 balls remaining, isn't it? Would I be right in saying that we would have needed 18 off 5 balls had the game run its course?
Good to see that we showed some fight today and hopefully we can demonstrate more of that in the final T20 and Test to follow although by the time the latter game comes along the Aussies might have Healy and Gardner back.
Brilliant game happening in the WAshes. England basically playing against the DLS target instead of the real target. Balanced on a knife edge
Looks like England are going to lost by 6 on DLS. They had a great chance to knock off the runs in the last over but some clever time management has meant Aus will probably get away with a win
I haven't been following but, presumably, we would have known what the par score was all along and being 6 runs behind (i.e. needing to be 7 in front at that stage to be winning) is quite a lot with just 5 balls remaining, isn't it? Would I be right in saying that we would have needed 18 off 5 balls had the game run its course?
Good to see that we showed some fight today and hopefully we can demonstrate more of that in the final T20 and Test to follow although by the time the latter game comes along the Aussies might have Healy and Gardner back.
You’re right and 18 off 5 sounds a tough ask but Heather Knight was rolling along with 43 off 19 and with a slick outfield boundaries would have been achievable.
The rain was bad enough to come off but controversy comes as earlier in the game it took three lightning strikes to bring the players off rather than the usual one. The umpires appear to have been making it up on the spot somewhat. In reality the rain was bad enough to come off at the end of the 19th over when Aus would’ve won but the umpires decided to continue and after the first ball was hit for 4 Aus delayed the game as long as possible to force the umpires hand. It was just poorly handled.
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No support at all from the rest of the side
110-8 (17)
Buttler 68-1 (44)
The Rest 53-9 (76)
Master class from India
The Indian spinners looked unplayable with all bar Buttler of our batters looking clueless and they returned combined figures of 12-1-67-5. By comparison, we only bowled 3 overs of spin (3-0-34-1) presumably because Buttler doesn't trust our twirlers.
The venue was different for the 3rd ODI but the struggles with the bat, for both sides, are ongoing. England were 156 all out off 40.1 overs (Archie Vaughan 60) with SA winning for the loss of 6 wickets with almost 15 overs left. So the teams batting first have now been all out for 88, 161 and 156 with the side chasing losing at least 5 wickets in chasing their target down.
There are issues with releasing teenagers/young players across all sports and it needs to be vastly improved. There needs to be some form of regulation around it but that will never happen.
out of interest, does rocky flintoff bowl.
to be honest, if rocky has been selected because of his dad, he deserves the favour purely because his dad named him rocky!!!!
I could (but I won't) name one individual who has been fast tracked all the way through to getting relentless opportunities at county 2nd XI level ahead of some that have more talent and been more successful in club and age group cricket purely because his father happens to be a county coach.
As for Rocky, he does bowl seamers but has never done so in the pro game. That might be to do with him being so young and his batting being more advanced. His older brother, Corey (18), is an allrounder too of a similar ilk to his brother and dad.
Good to see that we showed some fight today and hopefully we can demonstrate more of that in the final T20 and Test to follow although by the time the latter game comes along the Aussies might have Healy and Gardner back.
The rain was bad enough to come off but controversy comes as earlier in the game it took three lightning strikes to bring the players off rather than the usual one. The umpires appear to have been making it up on the spot somewhat. In reality the rain was bad enough to come off at the end of the 19th over when Aus would’ve won but the umpires decided to continue and after the first ball was hit for 4 Aus delayed the game as long as possible to force the umpires hand. It was just poorly handled.