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Elizabeth Line stuffed and Heathrow out of action 21/3/2025
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Russian sabotage ? or has that theory been dismissed ?0
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I knew the focus would be on who said it rather that the facts stated. Rather typical in some quarters.swords_alive said:
As said Richard Tice. No wonder Major didn't want to cite his source.Major said:
Reform MP Richard Tice said in today's Telegraph newspapercafcfan said:It is ludicrous that a piece of infrastructure as important as LHR seemingly does not have back-up capability for its power supply.“Critical infrastructure like that obviously requires a back-up. Having spoken to an industry expert, it appears that Heathrow had changed its back-up systems in order for it to be net zero compliant. And therefore they had got rid of their diesel generators and have moved towards a biomass generator that was designed not to completely replace the grid but work alongside the grid.
“Basically, their net zero compliant back-up system had completely failed in its core function at the first time of asking. It beggars belief.”
Think I'll wait for further detail of the official kind.
(Edit- Form of Biomass known as HVO runs in diesel engines without any upgrade/replacement needed. Other types of biomass also available)2 -
I think you just raised it.Lincsaddick said:Russian sabotage ? or has that theory been dismissed ?0 -
Indeed it does, so will wait for the facts to be reported.Major said:
They did have backup.cafcfan said:It is ludicrous that a piece of infrastructure as important as LHR seemingly does not have back-up capability for its power supply.“Critical infrastructure like that obviously requires a back-up. Having spoken to an industry expert, it appears that Heathrow had changed its back-up systems in order for it to be net zero compliant. And therefore they had got rid of their diesel generators and have moved towards a biomass generator that was designed not to completely replace the grid but work alongside the grid.
“Basically, their net zero compliant back-up system had completely failed in its core function at the first time of asking. It beggars belief."
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Are they facts though? After you posted, I did a Googje search and the only mention of the problem being due to the airport having a net zero aspiration, was from a certain person speaking on a 'news' channel with a penchant for propaganda.Major said:
I knew the focus would be on who said it rather that the facts stated. Rather typical in some quarters.swords_alive said:
As said Richard Tice. No wonder Major didn't want to cite his source.Major said:
Reform MP Richard Tice said in today's Telegraph newspapercafcfan said:It is ludicrous that a piece of infrastructure as important as LHR seemingly does not have back-up capability for its power supply.“Critical infrastructure like that obviously requires a back-up. Having spoken to an industry expert, it appears that Heathrow had changed its back-up systems in order for it to be net zero compliant. And therefore they had got rid of their diesel generators and have moved towards a biomass generator that was designed not to completely replace the grid but work alongside the grid.
“Basically, their net zero compliant back-up system had completely failed in its core function at the first time of asking. It beggars belief.”
Think I'll wait for further detail of the official kind.
(Edit- Form of Biomass known as HVO runs in diesel engines without any upgrade/replacement needed. Other types of biomass also available)4 -
And one who dismisses the findings climate change scientists from the likes of NASA report, yet is prepared to take what his supposed 'industry expert' claims about this at face value. Facts more important than unverified spin. 'Net Zero' isn't a dirty word, or even two words.ME14addick said:
Are they facts though? After you posted, I did a Googje search and the only mention of the problem being due to the airport having a net zero aspiration, was from a certain person speaking on a 'news' channel with a penchant for propaganda.Major said:
I knew the focus would be on who said it rather that the facts stated. Rather typical in some quarters.swords_alive said:
As said Richard Tice. No wonder Major didn't want to cite his source.Major said:
Reform MP Richard Tice sai d in today's Telegraph newspapercafcfan said:It is ludicrous that a piece of infrastructure as important as LHR seemingly does not have back-up capability for its power supply.“Critical infrastructure like that obviously requires a back-up. Having spoken to an industry expert, it appears that Heathrow had changed its back-up systems in order for it to be net zero compliant. And therefore they had got rid of their diesel generators and have moved towards a biomass generator that was designed not to completely replace the grid but work alongside the grid.
“Basically, their net zero compliant back-up system had completely failed in its core function at the first time of asking. It beggars belief.”
Think I'll wait for further detail of the official kind.
(Edit- Form of Biomass known as HVO runs in diesel engines without any upgrade/replacement needed. Other types of biomass also available)4 -
'Net Zero' is fantasy land.2
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‘The plane, the plane’ you mean. I used to enjoy watching that. 😉😆Major said:'Net Zero' is fantasy land.
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And now confirmed by Heathrow officials to have been completely made up by Racist Richard but that won't stop people believing it.swords_alive said:
As said Richard Tice. No wonder Major didn't want to cite his source.Major said:
Reform MP Richard Tice said in today's Telegraph newspapercafcfan said:It is ludicrous that a piece of infrastructure as important as LHR seemingly does not have back-up capability for its power supply.“Critical infrastructure like that obviously requires a back-up. Having spoken to an industry expert, it appears that Heathrow had changed its back-up systems in order for it to be net zero compliant. And therefore they had got rid of their diesel generators and have moved towards a biomass generator that was designed not to completely replace the grid but work alongside the grid.
“Basically, their net zero compliant back-up system had completely failed in its core function at the first time of asking. It beggars belief.”
Think I'll wait for further detail of the official kind.
(Edit- Form of Biomass known as HVO runs in diesel engines without any upgrade/replacement needed. Other types of biomass also available)8 -
On a scale of 1-10, just how fucked are we when some shithouse 'media' outlet can completely fabricate a story, get it repeated by a sitting MP and then have thousands of willing accomplices retweet it, tiktok it and post it on forums completely unchallenged as 'a different point of view'?cantersaddick said:
And now confirmed by Heathrow officials to have been completely made up by Racist Richard but that won't stop people believing it.swords_alive said:
As said Richard Tice. No wonder Major didn't want to cite his source.Major said:
Reform MP Richard Tice said in today's Telegraph newspapercafcfan said:It is ludicrous that a piece of infrastructure as important as LHR seemingly does not have back-up capability for its power supply.“Critical infrastructure like that obviously requires a back-up. Having spoken to an industry expert, it appears that Heathrow had changed its back-up systems in order for it to be net zero compliant. And therefore they had got rid of their diesel generators and have moved towards a biomass generator that was designed not to completely replace the grid but work alongside the grid.
“Basically, their net zero compliant back-up system had completely failed in its core function at the first time of asking. It beggars belief.”
Think I'll wait for further detail of the official kind.
(Edit- Form of Biomass known as HVO runs in diesel engines without any upgrade/replacement needed. Other types of biomass also available)
The answer is, of course, irrevocably fucked.16 - Sponsored links:
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Don’t worry, I’m sure Tice will retract and learn to wait for the facts to emerge next time.Really interesting thread here on what he said and how it was knowingly, falsely ‘legitimised’ by a national newspaper.3
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I work at Heathrow and can confirm it's complete and utter nonsense.5
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Ticey probably annoyed it might prevent a dart to Dubai to spend time with his ‘delightful’ other half Isabel.Super_Eddie_Youds said:Don’t worry, I’m sure Tice will retract and learn to wait for the facts to emerge next time.
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I did note she put the apparent difficulty extinguishing the fire down to people working from home! Yet people still listen to, and parrot this guff.Chaz Hill said:
Ticey probably annoyed it might prevent a dart to Dubai to spend time with his ‘delightful’ other half Isabel.Super_Eddie_Youds said:Don’t worry, I’m sure Tice will retract and learn to wait for the facts to emerge next time.
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Another conspiracy doing the rounds is that there are a lot of fires across the UK at the moment, all part of the conspiracy to control us.
Yes, there are quite a few fires, but it is due to an exceptionally dry March and the fact that after winter there is a lot of dead, dry, easily combustible vegetation. The amount of mis/disinformation on social media is off the scale.2 -
Got a friend who’s flying back from Dubai on Sunday to Heathrow. Then driving back down the M3 with the M25 closed.0
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I don’t know about daft conspiracy theories but that’s a new one to me. Are you sure that you’re not confusing winter with summer, or repeating disinformation?ME14addick said:Another conspiracy doing the rounds is that there are a lot of fires across the UK at the moment, all part of the conspiracy to control us.
Yes, there are quite a few fires, but it is due to an exceptionally dry March and the fact that after winter there is a lot of dead, dry, easily combustible vegetation. The amount of mis/disinformation on social media is off the scale.3 -
If the big fire reported at the old RAF hanger at D'bro airfield had anything to do with vegetation, faulty bright lighting inside springs to mind and might be of interest to the constabulary. And if local inhabitants, like me, were under the influence of burning weed on the wind, well, it would hard to tell tbh.ME14addick said:Another conspiracy doing the rounds is that there are a lot of fires across the UK at the moment, all part of the conspiracy to control us.
Yes, there are quite a few fires, but it is due to an exceptionally dry March and the fact that after winter there is a lot of dead, dry, easily combustible vegetation. The amount of mis/disinformation on social media is off the scale.
More likely it was down to kids arsoning about. Anyway, I'll be waiting for the real cause to be reported.0 -
Have a look at the comments on this Facebook page and you'll see a number of comments from conspiracy theorists, when the true cause of a number of wildfires across the UK is that we have had a particularly dry March. The second link points to the true cause of those wildfires.jimmymelrose said:
I don’t know about daft conspiracy theories but that’s a new one to me. Are you sure that you’re not confusing winter with summer, or repeating disinformation?ME14addick said:Another conspiracy doing the rounds is that there are a lot of fires across the UK at the moment, all part of the conspiracy to control us.
Yes, there are quite a few fires, but it is due to an exceptionally dry March and the fact that after winter there is a lot of dead, dry, easily combustible vegetation. The amount of mis/disinformation on social media is off the scale.
I am not suggesting that the fire near Heathrow has anything to do with the weather, but the conspiracy theorists are suggesting that it is part of a wider plot.
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1066467508861278&set=a.565609142280453
https://www.netweather.tv/weather-forecasts/news/12883-dry-march-fuelling-numerous-wildfires-across-the-uk
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I'm not suggesting that dry vegetation is the cause here, I am merely stating that the conspiracy theorists have gone into overdrive, by suggesting that the number of wildfires the UK has been experiencing is somehow linked to the fire near Heathrow. It is not a theory to which I subscribe.swordfish said:
If the big fire reported at the old RAF hanger at D'bro airfield had anything to do with vegetation, faulty bright lighting inside springs to mind and might be of interest to the constabulary. And if local inhabitants, like me, were under the influence of burning weed on the wind, well, it would hard to tell tbh.ME14addick said:Another conspiracy doing the rounds is that there are a lot of fires across the UK at the moment, all part of the conspiracy to control us.
Yes, there are quite a few fires, but it is due to an exceptionally dry March and the fact that after winter there is a lot of dead, dry, easily combustible vegetation. The amount of mis/disinformation on social media is off the scale.
More likely it was down to kids arsoning about. Anyway, I'll be waiting for the real cause to be reported.
If it was down to the actions of a malign actor, then I doubt the authorities would want that information known. My husband used to work with high voltage power transmission and he said that it would need to be someone with good knowledge of how these things work, to cause such damage, he also said that it could be a transformer overheating.1 - Sponsored links:
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Flying in tomorrow…how the fuck there was no redundancy ie backup is beyond me….good old British planning0
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I’ve worked for some shiity companies but they always had a backup plan if power goes out….unbelievable…still will be there at the Valley next Saturday…COYA1
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Will Elizabeth line be running tomorrow…Sunday?0
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No engineering work this weekend so yes. It does go down once or twice a week though so be warned.ct_addick said:Will Elizabeth line be running tomorrow…Sunday?0 -
Cheers…flying in from Boston…no delays so far!OhMyGodden said:
No engineering work this weekend so yes. It does go down once or twice a week though so be warned.ct_addick said:Will Elizabeth line be running tomorrow…Sunday?0 -
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Was chatting to an American family yesterday who left on Thursday and got half way here from Washington only to be turned around and all the way back to Washington. Fuming. Luckily BA got them back on a flight Friday evening.0
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It does take a long time to check that critical systems are up and running.Sheepie1985 said:What is inexcusable is that Heathrow did not have a well rehearsed plan to do that, with clear SLAs about how long it would take to do so.It would have meant that they would have cancelled / delayed 4-5 hours of flights instead of closing for a whole day.0 -
All sounds like a bit of a blame game between National Grid and Heathrow, I should imagine that neither of the CEO's have a clue what decisions were made at the time, it is reported that the CEO of Heathrow went back to bed after being informed of the problem leaving the decision to shut down the airport to his deputy. There would appear to be a lack of communications between NG and the airport.2
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And when they got here they were charged £25 a head for some rank fish and chips in a "traditional" English (West End) pub, £120 for a trip in one of those rickshaws (from Covent Garden to Leicester Square), had their card cloned in one of those dodgy Oxford Street shops and a pickpocket on the tube made off with the rest.O-Randy-Hunt said:Was chatting to an American family yesterday who left on Thursday and got half way here from Washington only to be turned around and all the way back to Washington. Fuming. Luckily BA got them back on a flight Friday evening.
Hope they had a lovely time!8
