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Speeding ticket advice
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It was one speed trap. You went past it at 110mph and saw the flash. Startled, and unsure of what it was, you reversed at 90mph to see what it was, and got flashed again.8
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yep, someone posted a link earlier. The wife one was Lib Dem and the brother was LabourGribbo said:
Pretty sure there was a Labour MP who got her brother ro similar. They're all at it lolPrincessFiona said:
Lib Dem former minister Chris HuhneKap10 said:
Didn't a ToryMP get prison time for getting his wife to take his speeding offence?guinnessaddick said:If there were two of you in the car, you could say you stopped and swapped the driving.1 -
Its not the fine that would annoy me its the two lots of 3 points that are coming and will be on the licence for a few years that may become a problem. Use your phone and theres another 6 points and possibly a ban. Also car insurance might increase as the points tally increases.
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In defence of the majority of MPs who are honest hard working community and purpose driven people, very few are at it...Gribbo said:
Pretty sure there was a Labour MP who got her brother ro similar. They're all at it lolPrincessFiona said:
Lib Dem former minister Chris HuhneKap10 said:
Didn't a ToryMP get prison time for getting his wife to take his speeding offence?guinnessaddick said:If there were two of you in the car, you could say you stopped and swapped the driving.
Edit apologies - not bringing politics into the thread but just an observation3 -
Last year I was driving home late at night, empty road from Eltham to New Eltham and probably driving more than 30 (lock me up), and a camera flash went off behind me to my left.There’s never been a camera there before and I was fuming. I decided to investigate, so turned around and drove slowly the other way. Couldn’t see any camera so turned around again in the B&Q to go home. Get 50 yards down the road and the same thing happened again! Was almost punching myself that I could get done twice by the same camera in about 3 minutes!Was waiting for the inevitable to come through the post, it was only when driving back from the Valley the next Tuesday (passenger) the same thing happened and I realised someone had installed a high standard sensor light on their driveway!34
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Yeah, sorry, meant all parties as opposed to all politicians.SporadicAddick said:
In defence of the majority of MPs who are honest hard working community and purpose driven people, very few are at it...Gribbo said:
Pretty sure there was a Labour MP who got her brother ro similar. They're all at it lolPrincessFiona said:
Lib Dem former minister Chris HuhneKap10 said:
Didn't a ToryMP get prison time for getting his wife to take his speeding offence?guinnessaddick said:If there were two of you in the car, you could say you stopped and swapped the driving.
Edit apologies - not bringing politics into the thread but just an observation
As you say, back to speeding1 -
The next revenue stream to squeeze motorists some more...
"You were caught speeding 30 times on the motorway"
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/53/section/28
" (4) Where a person is convicted (whether on the same occasion or not) of two or more offences committed on the same occasion and involving obligatory endorsement, the total number of penalty points to be attributed to them is the number or highest number that would be attributed on a conviction of one of them (so that if the convictions are on different occasions the number of penalty points to be attributed to the offences on the later occasion or occasions shall be restricted accordingly)."
May be totally irrelevant if it doesn't count as the same 'occasion'
You're going to have to challenge it now just so the rest of us can find out one way or another.3 -
Some answers to the above! thanks for advice/ comments...
- The two cameras were about 4/5 miles apart, same stretch of road dual carriageway, no junctions between, 180 seconds of cruising at 83/ 85 mph according to the two tickets.
- My car is 10 years old, no such warning sensors.
- It was two fixed cameras not an average speed check, I think.
- And they haven't offered me a course or anything yet, just 2 intended notice of prosecution letters.
I completely accept I shouldn't have been speeding and deserve the fine etc, but the question is just at what point one offence becomes two - some may disagree but I do feel slightly hard done by to be facing two separate penalties albeit, as I say, I am responsible and nobody else!
if you are driving at 80 mph and then still driving at 80mph 10 seconds later is that 2 offences? At what point does it becomes 2 separate offences - 20 seconds, 60 seconds, 100 seconds? Or 180 seconds as is the case in my situation?
Anyway, as somebody said, if you don't ask you don't get...0 -
don't use your phone thencharltonkeston said:Its not the fine that would annoy me its the two lots of 3 points that are coming and will be on the licence for a few years that may become a problem. Use your phone and theres another 6 points and possibly a ban. Also car insurance might increase as the points tally increases.4 -
I think the way you look at it is perfectly logical as I would say the speeding offence is the same one. However, speeding offences are all about where they put the cameras and like anthing nowadays, common sense rarely comes into it.paulsturgess said:Some answers to the above! thanks for advice/ comments...
- The two cameras were about 4/5 miles apart, same stretch of road dual carriageway, no junctions between, 180 seconds of cruising at 83/ 85 mph according to the two tickets.
- My car is 10 years old, no such warning sensors.
- It was two fixed cameras not an average speed check, I think.
- And they haven't offered me a course or anything yet, just 2 intended notice of prosecution letters.
I completely accept I shouldn't have been speeding and deserve the fine etc, but the question is just at what point one offence becomes two - some may disagree but I do feel slightly hard done by to be facing two separate penalties albeit, as I say, I am responsible and nobody else!
if you are driving at 80 mph and then still driving at 80mph 10 seconds later is that 2 offences? At what point does it becomes 2 separate offences - 20 seconds, 60 seconds, 100 seconds? Or 180 seconds as is the case in my situation?
Anyway, as somebody said, if you don't ask you don't get...2 -
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I think my post is clear, I don't think that's what I was saying at all and I'm not quite sure how you've interpreted it in that tone...LargeAddick said:what you are saying is you broke the speed limit once but then decided you might as well do so again. And now you are having to face the consequences. Can’t see an issue myself.5 -
Just chuck them in the bin and carry on driving like a mad man,
Those cameras are a scam anyway, a tool to shatter the free will of man and his desire to push cars to their limits.
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I would be asking for the calibration certificates for both cameras.1
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I did a speed awareness course last summer and this question was asked as a hypothetical question. The course moderator/teacher explained that if you did the same journey 4 times in a day and got caught speeding 4 times, it’s 4 different offences.
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guinnessaddick said:I would be asking for the calibration certificates for both cameras.
I got done by Hants police last year. They covered the calibration status in all of their comms....
Can I request the calibration certificate for the speed camera/equipment?
Yes. However, on the vast majority of cases, there is no obligation upon the Police to disclose evidence until the case gets to Court. That said, if you persevere, you should be able to obtain same from the Police on a voluntary basis. Many Police forces will post copies of the Calibration Certificate on their website.
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I hope you can get those two offenses turned into one - good luck.
I always drive with google maps open just for the camera alerts. When I lived in Canada you had to do this to avoid the cops hiding in the bushes.0 -
If it was the OB that were following him and he stopped after the second camera, he would probably only get done for one offence.Todds_right_hook said:I did a speed awareness course last summer and this question was asked as a hypothetical question. The course moderator/teacher explained that if you did the same journey 4 times in a day and got caught speeding 4 times, it’s 4 different offences.0 -
Have they just asked who the driver was or has it gone beyond this?0
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Just this at this stage.HardyAddick said:Have they just asked who the driver was or has it gone beyond this?
One further thought I've had on this is that sometimes you do get an "average speed check" which is based on two cameras far apart - this existed for a while last year on the A20 near Sidcup.
These essentially measure your average speed across a stretch of a few miles. If you get caught speeding under these (as one of my friends did on the A20), you got a single ticket for a single offence averaging over the speed limit for an extended period.
This sort of underlines the point that speeding for a period across a couple of miles distance / a few minutes comprises a single offence, so it seems harsh that an essentially identical scenario is being spun as 2 offences rather than 1 simply because it's two fixed speed cameras rather than a combined average speed camera..1 -
thank you for thisaddix said:
The next revenue stream to squeeze motorists some more...
"You were caught speeding 30 times on the motorway"
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/53/section/28
" (4) Where a person is convicted (whether on the same occasion or not) of two or more offences committed on the same occasion and involving obligatory endorsement, the total number of penalty points to be attributed to them is the number or highest number that would be attributed on a conviction of one of them (so that if the convictions are on different occasions the number of penalty points to be attributed to the offences on the later occasion or occasions shall be restricted accordingly)."
May be totally irrelevant if it doesn't count as the same 'occasion'
You're going to have to challenge it now just so the rest of us can find out one way or another.0 -
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Presume it was on the new section of the A14 between the M11 and the A1 where there are variable speed signs and cameras attached. If you went through two of these when they were operating a restricted speed notice then you will face prosecution for two offences. The A14 beyond the A1 to the M1 only has 1 camera operative on the east bound section but the section between Cambridge and tha A1 at Brampton is bristling with them.0
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It's genuinely such a scam and just a money earner.
Makes me laugh when there's roadworks at night, no workers and we are restricted to 50, got sod all to do with safety, just hoping someone cocks up to get some easy money.4 -
The other day I saw a sign pop up saying "Reduced speed, pedestrians reported" some person missed it and got flashed (it dropped down to 40), no joke, it lasted about 500 metres and went back to normal. They just make it up as they go along.
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Been to The Valley last two Saturdays. On both occasions (so 4 journeys in total ) a long section of the M25 after it splits off near Sevenoaks has had 50 MPH limits in place "Speed limit for system test"...Braziliance said:It's genuinely such a scam and just a money earner.
Makes me laugh when there's roadworks at night, no workers and we are restricted to 50, got sod all to do with safety, just hoping someone cocks up to get some easy money.
So no reason for the speed limits other than a system test that to the best of my knowledge has been in place for over a week (unless it was only weekends / Saturdays).3 -
The two cameras were near Fenstanton and Offord Cluny ?Scratchingvalleycat said:Presume it was on the new section of the A14 between the M11 and the A1 where there are variable speed signs and cameras attached. If you went through two of these when they were operating a restricted speed notice then you will face prosecution for two offences. The A14 beyond the A1 to the M1 only has 1 camera operative on the east bound section but the section between Cambridge and tha A1 at Brampton is bristling with them.0 -
Re: reduced speed limits when there's nothing happening — I've often thought the same. But after doing a Motorway Awareness course, I now understand that these limits are often put in place to ease the flow of traffic due to something that could be happening 3, 5, or even 10 miles down the road. They're intended to slow everyone down gradually to reduce heavy braking, which can cause serious tailbacks for miles behind.7
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I also heard this on the MotorwayAwareness course I was on, sort of makes sense.Gribbo said:Re: reduced speed limits when there's nothing happening — I've often thought the same. But after doing a Motorway Awareness course, I now understand that these limits are often put in place to ease the flow of traffic due to something that could be happening 3, 5, or even 10 miles down the road. They're intended to slow everyone down gradually to reduce heavy braking, which can cause serious tailbacks for miles behind.
Maybe it was the very same course (Its good to learn the error of our ways) if so you may have been the person I raced back down the motorway afterwards at breakneck speed!
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Digital speed cameras do not flash.Braziliance said:The other day I saw a sign pop up saying "Reduced speed, pedestrians reported" some person missed it and got flashed (it dropped down to 40), no joke, it lasted about 500 metres and went back to normal. They just make it up as they go along.
It's an absolute con
If you see a speed sign pop up with a red circle it is like a fixed sign. Advisory signs like you mention are just that.0 -
I agree it earns money but not sure how it can be a scam if people are genuinely speeding?? I do agree in this case, it should only count as 1 offence thoughBraziliance said:It's genuinely such a scam and just a money earner.
Makes me laugh when there's roadworks at night, no workers and we are restricted to 50, got sod all to do with safety, just hoping someone cocks up to get some easy money.0
