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Cole quits England

Athletico Charlton
Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,405
in Other Football and Sports
Didn't see that coming. Whatever you think of Cole the person, he has been a terrific England player and servant and I would have taken him to Rio personally. Good luck Luke Shaw.
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  • GretnaGreenAddick
    GretnaGreenAddick Posts: 3,085
    I would have taken him to one more World Cup, one of the few players, if not the only England player to be truly world class in his postion in the last 20 years IMO.

  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,385
    Gone out with class...
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    yeah would have taken him too. I agree with youth being given experience but feel he deserved to go as back up to Baines. Shaws time will come as Baines isn't getting any younger either and this guy could be our left back for over a decade.
  • TEL
    TEL Posts: 10,100
    Cant stand the bloke...epitomises why I dont bother watching England games anymore.
  • All_Thaid_Up
    All_Thaid_Up Posts: 2,293
    Glad he has gone, he could have been on standy by but he loves England so much he refused!

    Shame we are not getting rid of all the other useless players from the 'golden' generation, 2 WC's is enough failure, bring in the youngsters and let them learn now!
  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,346
    Thought he's been pretty classy about it all

    Great player, questionable personality
  • _MrDick
    _MrDick Posts: 13,147
    Stood down for the right reasons, IMO. He's had his time in the sun. Luke Shaw is the future in that left back position
  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,228
    It's pretty easy to quit when you've already been sacked.
  • dickplumb
    dickplumb Posts: 4,835
    One could put it another way, he had a hissy fit and quit England after not being picked in the World Cup squad. I don't get the idea that he has been pretty classy about it. He has just realised his time is up.
  • stonewallpenalty
    stonewallpenalty Posts: 3,842
    edited May 2014
    Good player, 107 caps, always available for selection, consistent performer and probably the only player from the 'golden generation' that actually got any where near his club form.


    Not sure why he is getting this stick. If it was Beckham everyone would waxing lyrical.

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  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,125
    He wasn't going to play so I agree with taking Shaw instead.
  • crookester
    crookester Posts: 1,360
    Whatever you think of the man, his performances in an England shirt have been quality. A big game player and one of the few to nullify Ronaldo. Probably still our best left back defensively but Baines is better going forward and agree it makes sense to start introducing Shaw.
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,410
    I think it's good to take Shaw as England managers usually get pelters for clinging on to the old guard and not giving the younger players enough experience. Still, you can never go wrong with Ashley Cole in your squad. Great player
  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,636
    Very difficult for England to win this World Cup, so it's an ideal time to give the team of the future experience of tournament life, setting them up nicely for the euros.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,188
    dickplumb said:

    One could put it another way, he had a hissy fit and quit England after not being picked in the World Cup squad. I don't get the idea that he has been pretty classy about it. He has just realised his time is up.

    There are a hundred ways he could have responded to this situation. To say he's spoken with the manager, agrees with the decision and will be cheering the lads on despite not being there is about the classiest way he could have handled it.

    People are quick to knock footballers, particularly this one, but if you're going to do that then at least give credit when it's due.
  • I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY
    I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY Posts: 4,619
    I hate this international retirement nonsense.

    Should always make yourself available for selection.
  • PL54
    PL54 Posts: 10,757
    Bit of an areshole off the pitch but always turned up on it, never feigned injury for lesser England games and always put the effort in. Would be good to have him in Brazil to help some of the youngers.
  • falconwood_1
    falconwood_1 Posts: 7,369
    Only player that consistantly performed at tournaments and never melted, unlike all the others.

    Asking a player who has 107 caps to go on stand by list is a total pisstake imo.
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,945
    personally I still think he should've been first choice at this WC
  • Friend Or Defoe
    Friend Or Defoe Posts: 18,175
    Best English player for the last 10 years but we need to move on and give the likes of Luke Shaw tournament experience.

    Thank you Ashley.

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  • Dave2l
    Dave2l Posts: 8,880
    The decision of that might backfire...

    I really don't care what cole is like as a person, it's not my business nor would I want it to be. He's stayed out the papers for a while now anyway might aswell just forget that stuff.

    I understand hodgson taking the "fresh approach", but experience is very important. Luke shaw is only 18 and Cole always raised his game for England in the final tournaments too.

    Even if he doesn't start he should have gone. Might not be Chelsea's best left back but certainly a good substitute.
  • killer kish
    killer kish Posts: 2,019
    Shame it didnt happen earlier,another over hyped England player! Just a few more left now and then England can finally progress.
  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,228
    falconwood_1 said:

    Only player that consistantly performed at tournaments and never melted, unlike all the others.

    Asking a player who has 107 caps to go on stand by list is a total pisstake imo.

    I disagree. Sure he has been (pun intended) the best England performer throughout his career BUT it is always a big mistake being sentimental and choosing players past their prime for major tournaments. I give you Peter Shilton and David Seaman as examples.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,344
    http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/61866/world-cup-2014-thread-edit-brazil-and-germany-announce-squads#latest
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,053
    killer kish said:

    Shame it didnt happen earlier,another over hyped England player! Just a few more left now and then England can finally progress.

    I think (in terms of performance not personality) Ashley Cole is just about the only English player of recent times who actually lived up to the hype at all. Been probably our best defender and a strong case for best player at pretty much every tournament he's played in for England so far - relative to those around him anyway.

    Think he was right to retire though if he was not even going to be on the stand by list - that's not throwing a strop, that's the manager giving as clear an indication as he can that you are not going to feature in his plans any more - and even without Baines and Shaw making it a strong position for the future Cole is probably going to be retiring from all football by the next world cup anyway.
  • dickplumb
    dickplumb Posts: 4,835
    Well done Cole for getting paid shed loads of money and representing your Country at Football. Personally I would crawl over hot coals to play for England and would never retire myself. To be fair to him he has never let England down, but I don't get the idea that he has been classy.
  • Addicted
    Addicted Posts: 2,804
    Think he's behind Baines for me anyway. Shaw probably isnt quite as good as Cole yet but I'd take him instead because we need to look to the future. We'll not be leaving the group stage so better to just get some youth experience. Would take Barkley over Lampard for the same reason
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY said:

    I hate this international retirement nonsense.

    Should always make yourself available for selection.

    This. One of the things I always respected about becks, always kept the door open.

    Cashley was a great left back for England, but as his "retirement" and refusal to go on standby betrays he's an utterly rubbish character.
  • Ben18
    Ben18 Posts: 1,639
    I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY said:

    I hate this international retirement nonsense.

    Should always make yourself available for selection.

    Part of the reason I can't stand Shearer. Might have been different if he'd played at the 02 World Cup instead of Heskey.
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,053
    kentaddick said:

    I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY said:

    I hate this international retirement nonsense.

    Should always make yourself available for selection.

    This. One of the things I always respected about becks, always kept the door open.

    Cashley was a great left back for England, but as his "retirement" and refusal to go on standby betrays he's an utterly rubbish character.
    He didn't refuse to go on standby, he was told not to - slightly different. He is not even on the shortlist of replacements, that's why he retired.

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