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Technically, Andy Reid will take some beating.0
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cantersaddick said:
Adjarevic was very technically good! At eating.
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I'd include Di Canio in that as well.Bedsaddick said:Gudmundsson & Reid are the two stand out players in recent years but neither can hold a light to Claus Jensen, the most skillfully player I have seen in a charlton shirt since his fellow countryman Alan Simonsen graced the valley turf.
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Yann for me could have been Prem for years.
Incredible shot, vision, team play, strength, technique, attitude, he had it all.
Think what he would be like if he had a decent team around him.
I really do think that Roland made a big error.
With Yann and Vetokele up front with this team behind them, we would be up there in the play offs for sure.18 -
Along with Gudmundsson and Coquelin, Reid (Andy), Shelvey, Poyet, Ajdarevic and Yann are all up there, I'm not sure there's one that stands out as a level above the rest on technical ability. Reid and Shelvey though are the two that have shown it in the Prem.
Others not mentioned I'd say Fuller, Todorov and Bougherra (for a CB) were technically pretty good and proved themselves elsewhere, though they didn't show it that often for us.
Jackson as Buyens I'd say are more players that get the best out of what they have, rather than as having as much technical ability as the names above.
In the Prem it has to be Jensen and Di Canio.7 -
We got £400K for him. Could have cost RD £120M. It was definitely a big error, especially when coupled with spending it all on a non scoring Pole!dizzee said:Yann for me could have been Prem for years.
Incredible shot, vision, team play, strength, technique, attitude, he had it all.
Think what he would be like if he had a decent team around him.
I really do think that Roland made a big error.
With Yann and Vetokele up front with this team behind them, we would be up there in the play offs for sure.
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I'll get pelters for this, no doubt - but Deon Burton was up there on ability. I was distinctly unimpressed with his signing, but he was very good at his job and less than another after signing him I got the impression he was a very, very good player - and only lack of pace prevented hom from having a more successful career.
Mind you, with toss like McCormack, McClown and Francis to compare to, I guess anyone would look good.9 -
Fuller as said above3
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back in the day Lawrie madden, remember him !2
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Di Canio was pretty special0
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That's not such a crazy shout @Leroy Ambrose. He wasn't such a dissimilar player to Kermorgant, just less combative. Was an absolute master at the perfectly timed running jump which meant he was able to get the better in the air of a lot of centre backs, despite giving up several inches in height. If he'd had a more prolific partner to play off him we'd have bounced straight back out of League 1 imo and he'd be better thought of as a result. As it was he was never going to score enough goals on his own.
For me though, the best since the Prem is Andy Reid. Right leg was barely good for standing on but what a wand of a left foot and so hard working, at least when we had the ball.
Receive it, give it, move, find space, receive it, give it, move, find space... repeat until you inevitably find yourself in good space in a good area and then look for the killer pass/shot. Vision and imagination, coupled with proper enthusiasm and desire. That is how, as an attacking midfielder, you can stamp your authority on a game and control matches. Maybe wasn't the best going in the other direction, but even then he was hardly Darren Ambrose in that department either.
If I was coaching young midfielders I'd show them videos of Reidy because anyone can do the hardwork bit and if you've got the vision and skills too then you'll stand out for doing both, but not enough do. He'd be so good in the current team.3 -
Yann was technically perfect. If he had better players around him he would've looked prem quality.1
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I don't think you can teach that, you either have it or you don't.Exiled_Addick said:That's not such a crazy shout @Leroy Ambrose. He wasn't such a dissimilar player to Kermorgant, just less combative. Was an absolute master at the perfectly timed running jump which meant he was able to get the better in the air of a lot of centre backs, despite giving up several inches in height. If he'd had a more prolific partner to play off him we'd have bounced straight back out of League 1 imo and he'd be better thought of as a result. As it was he was never going to score enough goals on his own.
For me though, the best since the Prem is Andy Reid. Right leg was barely good for standing on but what a wand of a left foot and so hard working, at least when we had the ball.
Receive it, give it, move, find space, receive it, give it, move, find space... repeat until you inevitably find yourself in good space in a good area and then look for the killer pass/shot. Vision and imagination, coupled with proper enthusiasm and desire. That is how, as an attacking midfielder, you can stamp your authority on a game and control matches. Maybe wasn't the best going in the other direction, but even then he was hardly Darren Ambrose in that department either.
If I was coaching young midfielders I'd show them videos of Reidy because anyone can do the hardwork bit and if you've got the vision and skills too then you'll stand out for doing both, but not enough do. He'd be so good in the current team.0 -
Difficult to teach some of the skills, but you can teach players to always make themselves available for a pass like Reidy did which is what I was talking about. So many midfielders are relatively static, particularly the most gifted ones, it often seems, maybe they think they don't have to work hard if they stick a 30 yarder in the top corner every few weeks (not that we have anyone really doing that either right now!). I think Jo-Berg could probably take a bit of a leaf out of Reidy's book for example.dizzee said:
I don't think you can teach that, you either have it or you don't.Exiled_Addick said:That's not such a crazy shout @Leroy Ambrose. He wasn't such a dissimilar player to Kermorgant, just less combative. Was an absolute master at the perfectly timed running jump which meant he was able to get the better in the air of a lot of centre backs, despite giving up several inches in height. If he'd had a more prolific partner to play off him we'd have bounced straight back out of League 1 imo and he'd be better thought of as a result. As it was he was never going to score enough goals on his own.
For me though, the best since the Prem is Andy Reid. Right leg was barely good for standing on but what a wand of a left foot and so hard working, at least when we had the ball.
Receive it, give it, move, find space, receive it, give it, move, find space... repeat until you inevitably find yourself in good space in a good area and then look for the killer pass/shot. Vision and imagination, coupled with proper enthusiasm and desire. That is how, as an attacking midfielder, you can stamp your authority on a game and control matches. Maybe wasn't the best going in the other direction, but even then he was hardly Darren Ambrose in that department either.
If I was coaching young midfielders I'd show them videos of Reidy because anyone can do the hardwork bit and if you've got the vision and skills too then you'll stand out for doing both, but not enough do. He'd be so good in the current team.
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I agree, but I don't think you can teach vision and intelligence on the ball. For example you couldn't turn Fellaini into Pirlo.Exiled_Addick said:
Difficult to teach some of the skills, but you can teach players to always make themselves available for a pass like Reidy did which is what I was talking about. So many midfielders are relatively static, particularly the most gifted ones, it often seems, maybe they think they don't have to work hard if they stick a 30 yarder in the top corner every few weeks (not that we have anyone really doing that either right now!). I think Jo-Berg could probably take a bit of a leaf out of Reidy's book for example.dizzee said:
I don't think you can teach that, you either have it or you don't.Exiled_Addick said:That's not such a crazy shout @Leroy Ambrose. He wasn't such a dissimilar player to Kermorgant, just less combative. Was an absolute master at the perfectly timed running jump which meant he was able to get the better in the air of a lot of centre backs, despite giving up several inches in height. If he'd had a more prolific partner to play off him we'd have bounced straight back out of League 1 imo and he'd be better thought of as a result. As it was he was never going to score enough goals on his own.
For me though, the best since the Prem is Andy Reid. Right leg was barely good for standing on but what a wand of a left foot and so hard working, at least when we had the ball.
Receive it, give it, move, find space, receive it, give it, move, find space... repeat until you inevitably find yourself in good space in a good area and then look for the killer pass/shot. Vision and imagination, coupled with proper enthusiasm and desire. That is how, as an attacking midfielder, you can stamp your authority on a game and control matches. Maybe wasn't the best going in the other direction, but even then he was hardly Darren Ambrose in that department either.
If I was coaching young midfielders I'd show them videos of Reidy because anyone can do the hardwork bit and if you've got the vision and skills too then you'll stand out for doing both, but not enough do. He'd be so good in the current team.0 -
Only for 6.0 minutes.The Red Robin said:
Only for 60 minutes.cantersaddick said:Adjarevic was very technically good!
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Solly TBH Beast Wiggy
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Wilson--JBG---Harriott
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Could be worth a go. Would be harsh on Cousins but I'd argue that Coq and Buyens were better holding players and for a double pivot you need out and out wingers1 -
Andy Reid was a Prem player. We were in the prem when we got him, then got relegated. I can't stand the love this guy gets. He looked great but did nothing, absolutely nothing for us.
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Two good attacking wingers away from being a handy teamCAFCsayer said:------Hendo
Solly TBH Beast Wiggy
---Coq - Buyens
Wilson--JBG---Harriott
-------Veto
Could be worth a go. Would be harsh on Cousins but I'd argue that Coq and Buyens were better holding players and for a double pivot you need out and out wingers2 -
Not sure it's fair to put Buyens in the same bracket as Jackson (as much as I love him). I think Buyens has a lot of technical ability. At the beginning of the season he was a real breath of fresh air. His performance against Derby is one of the best individual performances I've seen since relegation in 07Scoham said:Along with Gudmundsson and Coquelin, Reid (Andy), Shelvey, Poyet, Ajdarevic and Yann are all up there, I'm not sure there's one that stands out as a level above the rest on technical ability. Reid and Shelvey though are the two that have shown it in the Prem.
Others not mentioned I'd say Fuller, Todorov and Bougherra (for a CB) were technically pretty good and proved themselves elsewhere, though they didn't show it that often for us.
Jackson as Buyens I'd say are more players that get the best out of what they have, rather than as having as much technical ability as the names above.
In the Prem it has to be Jensen and Di Canio.1 -
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Jackson's not technically poor though is he, he's even one of the first names mentioned in the thread.cafcnick1992 said:
Not sure it's fair to put Buyens in the same bracket as Jackson (as much as I love him). I think Buyens has a lot of technical ability. At the beginning of the season he was a real breath of fresh air. His performance against Derby is one of the best individual performances I've seen since relegation in 07Scoham said:Along with Gudmundsson and Coquelin, Reid (Andy), Shelvey, Poyet, Ajdarevic and Yann are all up there, I'm not sure there's one that stands out as a level above the rest on technical ability. Reid and Shelvey though are the two that have shown it in the Prem.
Others not mentioned I'd say Fuller, Todorov and Bougherra (for a CB) were technically pretty good and proved themselves elsewhere, though they didn't show it that often for us.
Jackson as Buyens I'd say are more players that get the best out of what they have, rather than as having as much technical ability as the names above.
In the Prem it has to be Jensen and Di Canio.0 -
He carried the team in the 07/08 season. When he left we were poo poo.JiMMy 85 said:Andy Reid was a Prem player. We were in the prem when we got him, then got relegated. I can't stand the love this guy gets. He looked great but did nothing, absolutely nothing for us.
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Though he isn't at the top of the list, I'd like to mention Dale Stephens. Very creative on the ball if used properly and had one of the fiercest shots from distance I've seen on a Charlton player.4
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I'd rather get an extension for Coq.kentaddick said:i hope we can get gudmondsson an extension. Absolutely class player.
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the bloke carried the team and clearly cared about being captain, see how he celebrates when todorov scored vs palace - he went ballistic. He also made it pretty clear he didn't want to go but was pretty much made to by murray.JiMMy 85 said:Andy Reid was a Prem player. We were in the prem when we got him, then got relegated. I can't stand the love this guy gets. He looked great but did nothing, absolutely nothing for us.
deon burton was such an underrated player for us. He had a fantastic first touch.Leroy Ambrose said:I'll get pelters for this, no doubt - but Deon Burton was up there on ability. I was distinctly unimpressed with his signing, but he was very good at his job and less than another after signing him I got the impression he was a very, very good player - and only lack of pace prevented hom from having a more successful career.
Mind you, with toss like McCormack, McClown and Francis to compare to, I guess anyone would look good.5 -
Best technical player I've seen playing for us has to be Allan Simonsen, followed by Paul Walsh.0
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Probably about 15 players have been mentioned. Reckon you could add a nought on the end if it was about the technically worst players to have played for us...3
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Padoo blamed our poor second half of season results on being forced to sell Reid and he added that to his long list of reasons for a defeat, which also included "away fans sit in the wrong place".
Reid was excellent for us while he was in the Championship, as well as a perfect club man, even on his departure he detoured to go and say goodbye and thank the staff at the Valley. Contrast that with danny "big bollocks" Murphy.1 -
This!kentaddick said:
deon burton was such an underrated player for us. He had a fantastic first touch.1 -
Agree. Dale is a very technically sound player. Superb goal vs Doncaster last seasoncafctom said:Though he isn't at the top of the list, I'd like to mention Dale Stephens. Very creative on the ball if used properly and had one of the fiercest shots from distance I've seen on a Charlton player.
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