naby sarr ? another from outside the rd network
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Im hoping the fact he played on Saturday, means it is all just talk, surely we are not going to make the same mistake of letting an experienced quality player go on the cheap two January transfer windows in a row.The Red Robin said:
I agree. I remember watching an interview with George Graham once and he said he didn't care if he didn't get on with a player. If he was going to help him win football matches, he'd pick him. Luzon and TBH need to man up.GretnaGreenAddick said:I welcome the new signing, as seems decent but will be annoyed if it is to replace Ben Haim due to the arrival of Luzon, as he is the one actual success from the Network so far, a quality player, only 32 and who is settled in London, hopefully we are offering him a contract extension to build our defence around not moving him out because of RD latest chosen one, even more so considering they don't tend to last very long before the next chosen one arrives.
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So here's the thing. We are a Championship team. It's not unreasonable to expect that the owners would look to strengthen or at the very least not weaken the squad over time.
In Powell's last season we had a spine of Hamer, Morrison, Stephens, Kermorgant. Not the tip top, but pretty strong with plenty of Championship experience. Add a few quality players around that spine and we're genuinely competitive.
Except they've all gone and it looks like, if TBH goes, our spine is, er, Dimitrov, Sarr, Cousins, Vetokele.
Not good enough by any stretch of the imagination.6 -
But it's our tradition. Parker, Murphy, Stephens, Yann…who will it be this year?GretnaGreenAddick said:
Im hoping the fact he played on Saturday, means it is all just talk, surely we are not going to make the same mistake of letting an experienced quality player go on the cheap two January transfer windows in a row.The Red Robin said:
I agree. I remember watching an interview with George Graham once and he said he didn't care if he didn't get on with a player. If he was going to help him win football matches, he'd pick him. Luzon and TBH need to man up.GretnaGreenAddick said:I welcome the new signing, as seems decent but will be annoyed if it is to replace Ben Haim due to the arrival of Luzon, as he is the one actual success from the Network so far, a quality player, only 32 and who is settled in London, hopefully we are offering him a contract extension to build our defence around not moving him out because of RD latest chosen one, even more so considering they don't tend to last very long before the next chosen one arrives.
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This lad's actually played 322 mins in the Champs League, including 90 mins in a 1-0 loss to Chelsea (who were full strength). Would be quite excited if it wasn't a loan but I have it in for loans and we already have a few too many, not a bad acquisition but as I said, I think loans are a devil dressed in sheep's clothing, even the higher quality loans UNLESS it's to compliment an already super strong squad of which we are far from.2
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I would be surprised if he turns up at the end of the week and plays Saturday, probably on the bench, if so let's hope TBH is not going beforeGretnaGreenAddick said:
Im hoping the fact he played on Saturday, means it is all just talk, surely we are not going to make the same mistake of letting an experienced quality player go on the cheap two January transfer windows in a row.The Red Robin said:
I agree. I remember watching an interview with George Graham once and he said he didn't care if he didn't get on with a player. If he was going to help him win football matches, he'd pick him. Luzon and TBH need to man up.GretnaGreenAddick said:I welcome the new signing, as seems decent but will be annoyed if it is to replace Ben Haim due to the arrival of Luzon, as he is the one actual success from the Network so far, a quality player, only 32 and who is settled in London, hopefully we are offering him a contract extension to build our defence around not moving him out because of RD latest chosen one, even more so considering they don't tend to last very long before the next chosen one arrives.
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Chelsea battered them that night if I remember rightly.Atletico Addick said:This lad's actually played 322 mins in the Champs League, including 90 mins in a 1-0 loss to Chelsea (who were full strength). Would be quite excited if it wasn't a loan but I have it in for loans and we already have a few too many, not a bad acquisition but as I said, I think loans are a devil dressed in sheep's clothing, even the higher quality loans UNLESS it's to compliment an already super strong squad of which we are far from.
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I think you need to revise your definition of "plenty of Championship experience".rikofold said:So here's the thing. We are a Championship team. It's not unreasonable to expect that the owners would look to strengthen or at the very least not weaken the squad over time.
In Powell's last season we had a spine of Hamer, Morrison, Stephens, Kermorgant. Not the tip top, but pretty strong with plenty of Championship experience. Add a few quality players around that spine and we're genuinely competitive.
Except they've all gone and it looks like, if TBH goes, our spine is, er, Dimitrov, Sarr, Cousins, Vetokele.
Not good enough by any stretch of the imagination.3 -
Well once we're playing teams as good as Chelsea that will be relevant. Til then, not so much, let's face it.The Red Robin said:
Chelsea battered them that night if I remember rightly.Atletico Addick said:This lad's actually played 322 mins in the Champs League, including 90 mins in a 1-0 loss to Chelsea (who were full strength). Would be quite excited if it wasn't a loan but I have it in for loans and we already have a few too many, not a bad acquisition but as I said, I think loans are a devil dressed in sheep's clothing, even the higher quality loans UNLESS it's to compliment an already super strong squad of which we are far from.
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Oh I know, wasn't a dig at Sarr at all. Just recalling the game.thenewbie said:
Well once we're playing teams as good as Chelsea that will be relevant. Til then, not so much, let's face it.The Red Robin said:
Chelsea battered them that night if I remember rightly.Atletico Addick said:This lad's actually played 322 mins in the Champs League, including 90 mins in a 1-0 loss to Chelsea (who were full strength). Would be quite excited if it wasn't a loan but I have it in for loans and we already have a few too many, not a bad acquisition but as I said, I think loans are a devil dressed in sheep's clothing, even the higher quality loans UNLESS it's to compliment an already super strong squad of which we are far from.
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Don't forget Andy Reid.The Red Robin said:
But it's our tradition. Parker, Murphy, Stephens, Yann…who will it be this year?GretnaGreenAddick said:
Im hoping the fact he played on Saturday, means it is all just talk, surely we are not going to make the same mistake of letting an experienced quality player go on the cheap two January transfer windows in a row.The Red Robin said:
I agree. I remember watching an interview with George Graham once and he said he didn't care if he didn't get on with a player. If he was going to help him win football matches, he'd pick him. Luzon and TBH need to man up.GretnaGreenAddick said:I welcome the new signing, as seems decent but will be annoyed if it is to replace Ben Haim due to the arrival of Luzon, as he is the one actual success from the Network so far, a quality player, only 32 and who is settled in London, hopefully we are offering him a contract extension to build our defence around not moving him out because of RD latest chosen one, even more so considering they don't tend to last very long before the next chosen one arrives.
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Being a Charlton fan who's birthday is 31st January, is far from ideal... Every. Bloody. Year.
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That's quite common for a birthday.Rufus is a dogs name said:Being a Charlton fan who's birthday is 31st January, is far from ideal... Every. Bloody. Year.
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window closes 2nd Feb this year ;-)Rufus is a dogs name said:Being a Charlton fan who's birthday is 31st January, is far from ideal... Every. Bloody. Year.
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Does the fact that there are no rumours about stikers or midfielders joining us mean they are playing it very close to the chest or that we will not get anybody in?0
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just means there are no rumoursSouthbank said:Does the fact that there are no rumours about stikers or midfielders joining us mean they are playing it very close to the chest or that we will not get anybody in?
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There is one small problem with the "Championship experience" debate.
We go to one of those, and he says "Yes, I can do a job for you. It'll cost you 5 grand a week."
Alternatively, we go to someone like Baby Sarr, who says "I've never played in the Championship, but I helped my team win the U20 World Cup. I can do a job for you. It'll cost you 1 grand a week"
If it was YOUR money, which one would you sign?1 -
Or you could sign five players (lets call them Reza, Lioc, Pete, George and Thuram) and pay them a bit more than £1000 a week or that experienced Championship player for £5,000.East_Stand_Loopy said:There is one small problem with the "Championship experience" debate.
We go to one of those, and he says "Yes, I can do a job for you. It'll cost you 5 grand a week."
Alternatively, we go to someone like Baby Sarr, who says "I've never played in the Championship, but I helped my team win the U20 World Cup. I can do a job for you. It'll cost you 1 grand a week"
If it was YOUR money, which one would you sign?
If was YOUR money, which would you sign?7 -
Ah! The exact science known as hindsight...Henry Irving said:
Or you could sign five players (lets call them Reza, Lioc, Pete, George and Thuram) and pay them a bit more than £1000 a week or that experienced Championship player for £5,000.East_Stand_Loopy said:There is one small problem with the "Championship experience" debate.
We go to one of those, and he says "Yes, I can do a job for you. It'll cost you 5 grand a week."
Alternatively, we go to someone like Baby Sarr, who says "I've never played in the Championship, but I helped my team win the U20 World Cup. I can do a job for you. It'll cost you 1 grand a week"
If it was YOUR money, which one would you sign?
If was YOUR money, which would you sign?4 -
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That's the point.East_Stand_Loopy said:
Ah! The exact science known as hindsight...Henry Irving said:
Or you could sign five players (lets call them Reza, Lioc, Pete, George and Thuram) and pay them a bit more than £1000 a week or that experienced Championship player for £5,000.East_Stand_Loopy said:There is one small problem with the "Championship experience" debate.
We go to one of those, and he says "Yes, I can do a job for you. It'll cost you 5 grand a week."
Alternatively, we go to someone like Baby Sarr, who says "I've never played in the Championship, but I helped my team win the U20 World Cup. I can do a job for you. It'll cost you 1 grand a week"
If it was YOUR money, which one would you sign?
If was YOUR money, which would you sign?
Hindsight tells us that buying inexperienced (in Championship terms) doesn't always work so perhaps the experienced player would be better value.
Not knocking Sarr would might be great but it was your who set up the two options, not me.
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Llera is technically Championship experienced. I would rather see Charlton taking chances on players, than getting the potential journeymen4
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Those things are fairly irrelevant. I believe they are required under some Leagues' rules so the clubs just make them ludicrously high so they will almost certainly never be invoked meaning they will remain in control of when the player does or doesn't get sold.CAFCsayer said:If he's got a 43m release clause as alledged he must have something about him!
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Millwall have gone for quite a few players with championship experience, and are still struggling, i guess it still has to be at the right time of their careers.
I know they took a punt on Gregory from Halifax,
but most of the others arechumpschamp standard players(or were)3 -
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Probably the MILF.East_Stand_Loopy said:There is one small problem with the "Championship experience" debate.
We go to one of those, and he says "Yes, I can do a job for you. It'll cost you 5 grand a week."
Alternatively, we go to someone like Baby Sarr, who says "I've never played in the Championship, but I helped my team win the U20 World Cup. I can do a job for you. It'll cost you 1 grand a week"
If it was YOUR money, which one would you sign?0 -
Should be completed tomorow or thurs.2
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Can you get a Championship player for only 5k a week?East_Stand_Loopy said:
Ah! The exact science known as hindsight...Henry Irving said:
Or you could sign five players (lets call them Reza, Lioc, Pete, George and Thuram) and pay them a bit more than £1000 a week or that experienced Championship player for £5,000.East_Stand_Loopy said:There is one small problem with the "Championship experience" debate.
We go to one of those, and he says "Yes, I can do a job for you. It'll cost you 5 grand a week."
Alternatively, we go to someone like Baby Sarr, who says "I've never played in the Championship, but I helped my team win the U20 World Cup. I can do a job for you. It'll cost you 1 grand a week"
If it was YOUR money, which one would you sign?
If was YOUR money, which would you sign?0 -
Nearly all our players were on £5k a week or below in 2012/13 (so 19 months ago) - some big names were on much less. I don't imagine the club has been handing out many bigger deals in the meantime, but perhaps it could be argued that some are not "Championship players".Simonsen said:
Can you get a Championship player for only 5k a week?East_Stand_Loopy said:
Ah! The exact science known as hindsight...Henry Irving said:
Or you could sign five players (lets call them Reza, Lioc, Pete, George and Thuram) and pay them a bit more than £1000 a week or that experienced Championship player for £5,000.East_Stand_Loopy said:There is one small problem with the "Championship experience" debate.
We go to one of those, and he says "Yes, I can do a job for you. It'll cost you 5 grand a week."
Alternatively, we go to someone like Baby Sarr, who says "I've never played in the Championship, but I helped my team win the U20 World Cup. I can do a job for you. It'll cost you 1 grand a week"
If it was YOUR money, which one would you sign?
If was YOUR money, which would you sign?
That said, it's a mystery to me how the club managed to spend so much money last season, so perhaps Reza et al were more expensive than we assume.0 -
But could we attract new Championship players for 5k a week? I hear all sorts of figures for players at other clubs and they are way above that.Airman Brown said:
Nearly all our players were on £5k a week or below in 2012/13 (so 19 months ago) - some big names were on much less. I don't imagine the club has been handing out many bigger deals in the meantime, but perhaps it could be argued that some are not "Championship players".Simonsen said:
Can you get a Championship player for only 5k a week?East_Stand_Loopy said:
Ah! The exact science known as hindsight...Henry Irving said:
Or you could sign five players (lets call them Reza, Lioc, Pete, George and Thuram) and pay them a bit more than £1000 a week or that experienced Championship player for £5,000.East_Stand_Loopy said:There is one small problem with the "Championship experience" debate.
We go to one of those, and he says "Yes, I can do a job for you. It'll cost you 5 grand a week."
Alternatively, we go to someone like Baby Sarr, who says "I've never played in the Championship, but I helped my team win the U20 World Cup. I can do a job for you. It'll cost you 1 grand a week"
If it was YOUR money, which one would you sign?
If was YOUR money, which would you sign?
That said, it's a mystery to me how the club managed to spend so much money last season, so perhaps Reza et al were more expensive than we assume.0
