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Russian Fighter jet downed by the Turks

flyingkiwiDK
flyingkiwiDK Posts: 5,723
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Oh dear! This thing just got a hell of a lot messier!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34907983
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  • Greenie
    Greenie Posts: 9,172
    Oh great!
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,856
    If it is in their airspace then fair play.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,319
    Its like when you know your kid has drawn on the wall because their hands are covered in the same colour thats now on the wall

    Just apologise Turkey, go and sit on the naughty step and offer £200m for a new shiny plane
  • Greenie
    Greenie Posts: 9,172
    MrOneLung said:

    If it is in their airspace then fair play.

    I doubt Putin will see it that way.
  • Redvalleyeast
    Redvalleyeast Posts: 4,689
    Wouldnt fancy being the pilots right now
  • Halix
    Halix Posts: 2,237
    That's it! Putins a right nutter, it's all gonna kick off, I'm off to my bunker.
  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,773
    Russian's seem to be insinuating it may have been some rebels with a manpad that bought the plane down. If it was the Turk's, as they are suggesting, I dread to think what the consequences may be.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,319
    Its very strange... Russia are saying it was rebels that downed the jet, this means that Turkey can agree with them and walk away without any consequences... Instead they're claiming it was them so are getting themselves into trouble.

    Its like Turkey are some small bloke who has got drunk on a night out and is trying to fight some big muscular bloke who doesn't care about them... What Turkey need right now is for some friend to take them by the shoulders and say:

    Shut up and walk away, walk away whilst you still have a pair of legs!!
  • RedArmySE7
    RedArmySE7 Posts: 5,407
    The world has gone mad.
  • Addickted2TheReds
    Addickted2TheReds Posts: 7,736
    Crazy.

    I'm trying to get my head around what this place will be like in 100 years.
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  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    The turks warned the pilot 10 times apparently. This isn't going to end well
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    Addickted2TheReds said:

    Crazy.

    I'm trying to get my head around what this place will be like in 100 years.

    probably continuing down the same path it has been for the last 40 years, getting progressively less and less violent and more and more safe but the media getting progressively more and more sensationalist.
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,856
    If you are not going to back up your warnings then what is the point?
  • IA
    IA Posts: 6,103
    That's nowhere near ISIS territory, is it? Looks like FSA territory.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,621
    No idea if this is the case in this tragic incident but the Russians have been pushing the boundaries of air space all over the globe. Was it last week that Swedish fighters had to escort a Russian military aircraft from its air space ? British jets are regularly scrambled to do the same.

    This could be part of that policy or a mistake but my money it's the former. The cynic in me makes me think that this is perfect for Putin so that he can continue to whip up a siege mentality at home and therefore have support for his expansionist longings.
  • IA
    IA Posts: 6,103
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    No idea if this is the case in this tragic incident but the Russians have been pushing the boundaries of air space all over the globe. Was it last week that Swedish fighters had to escort a Russian military aircraft from its air space ? British jets are regularly scrambled to do the same.

    This could be part of that policy or a mistake but my money it's the former. The cynic in me makes me think that this is perfect for Putin so that he can continue to whip up a siege mentality at home and therefore have support for his expansionist longings.

    I think that's why Turkey say they warned it multiple times and eventually shot it down rather than accept Russia's rebel story.
  • smudge7946
    smudge7946 Posts: 4,131
    If Russia retaliate does that mean NATO have to get involved?
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,319
    smudge7946 said:

    If Russia retaliate does that mean NATO have to get involved?

    Wonder if thats why Turkey are getting so touchy about the incident.

    If Russia attacks them... they get the support of NATO... means that the focus turns away from Syria which means that they in turn can continue paying Turkey for weapons etc...

    If the troubles in Syria go away... Possibly means that Turkey get less profits
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,849
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    No idea if this is the case in this tragic incident but the Russians have been pushing the boundaries of air space all over the globe. Was it last week that Swedish fighters had to escort a Russian military aircraft from its air space ? British jets are regularly scrambled to do the same.

    This could be part of that policy or a mistake but my money it's the former. The cynic in me makes me think that this is perfect for Putin so that he can continue to whip up a siege mentality at home and therefore have support for his expansionist longings.

    It's hard to maintain a victim mentality when your plane is 1000 miles from home

    And Turkey isn't small country, it has a population of 75 million
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,319
    edited November 2015
    Daily Mail has put up a picture provided by the Turks... I guess the light blue border is Turkish Airspace with the plane clearly being in its airspace, surely though the Aircraft wasnt in there for 10-mins!!

    I've just gone on Google Maps and its takes about 10-mins to drive that part of Turkey (Not in a straight line either) So a plane would have done it a lot quicker

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  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,655
    Its all just a great game.
  • Baldybonce
    Baldybonce Posts: 9,648
    edited November 2015
    It's a shame the Turks don't have the same enthusiasm for taking on isis.
  • Atletico Addick
    Atletico Addick Posts: 5,843
    Oooh look. The Turks just destroyed a Russian war plane that was destroying ISIS and illegal trades of oil... :open_mouth:
  • queensland_addick
    queensland_addick Posts: 7,547
    According to this poll :

    http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/

    51% of Turkish Muslims are unconcerned about Islamic Extremism. Turkey are a real problem.
  • IA
    IA Posts: 6,103
    edited November 2015
    Atletico Addick said:

    Oooh look. The Turks just destroyed a Russian war plane that was destroying ISIS and illegal trades of oil... :open_mouth:

    It's at least 100km from the closest part of ISIS territory.

    For reference, Northampton is about 100km away from Charing Cross.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,621
    killerandflash said:

    ShootersHillGuru said:

    No idea if this is the case in this tragic incident but the Russians have been pushing the boundaries of air space all over the globe. Was it last week that Swedish fighters had to escort a Russian military aircraft from its air space ? British jets are regularly scrambled to do the same.

    This could be part of that policy or a mistake but my money it's the former. The cynic in me makes me think that this is perfect for Putin so that he can continue to whip up a siege mentality at home and therefore have support for his expansionist longings.

    It's hard to maintain a victim mentality when your plane is 1000 miles from home

    And Turkey isn't small country, it has a population of 75 million
    Not hard to maintain that mentality at all when Putin spins everything to suit his purpose. Not sure what you mean regarding Turkey's size ?

    As stated above the Russian jet would be in and out of that small pimple of air space in moments. Could it be that they have been flouting the rules for a while, been warned and continued to flout the Turkish air space ?

  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    turks and russians.. can't think of a nicer two group of people tbh.
  • JollyRobin
    JollyRobin Posts: 1,706
    edited November 2015
    queensland_addick said:

    According to this poll :

    http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/

    51% of Turkish Muslims are unconcerned about Islamic Extremism. Turkey are a real problem.

    I'd say this poll is somewhat out-dated. A considerable amount has happened since September 2013, most notably the Ankara bombing from a Turkish perspective.
  • IA
    IA Posts: 6,103
    JollyRobin said:

    queensland_addick said:

    According to this poll :

    http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/

    51% of Turkish Muslims are unconcerned about Islamic Extremism. Turkey are a real problem.

    I'd say this poll is somewhat outdated. A considerable amount has happened since September 2013, most notably the Ankara bombings.
    All these polls are rubbish, and lead to headlines that have no connection with reality. Yesterday's front page of the Sun is one such example. Being "unconcerned with Islamic extremism" doesn't mean they support it.
  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,601
    IA said:

    Atletico Addick said:

    Oooh look. The Turks just destroyed a Russian war plane that was destroying ISIS and illegal trades of oil... :open_mouth:

    It's at least 100km from the closest part of ISIS territory.

    For reference, Northampton is about 100km away from Charing Cross.
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