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Please could your mate with too much time on his/her hands gather the statistics comparing our attendances to Man Utd's during the 1930s and 1940s as I think Charlton and Man Utd have a similar-sized hardcore following.MillwallFan said:
Someone on Millwall Online, (and with more time on their hands than me!) saw this post and asked me to post this re size of hardcore support. Fairly interesting...stonemuse said:
Think ours is higher but can't be bothered to check historical stats ...all I do know is that neither of our clubs/fans are anything like Palaarse and for that we should both be truly grateful.MillwallFan said:This isn't meant as a dig but although you like to label us with the 'Smallwall' tag, I reckon that once you strip both our support back to the bare bones, including the 'Johnny-come-latelys' who turned up during your Prem years (and we all know those type of fans don't have any staying power) then I reckon our hardcore support isn't too dissimilar.
This is the best comparison between the two's hardcore support...they show the occasions when both clubs were in a similar period of their histories:
1921: Millwall 18,762; Charlton failed to get into League.
1922: Millwall 17,524; Charlton 9,380.
1923: Millwall 17,238; Charlton 8,165
1924: Millwall 16,671; Charlton 6,745
1925: Millwall 15,286; Charlton 9,750.
1926: Millwall 14,953; Charlton 7,403.
1927: Millwall 14,173; Charlton 6,951.
1928: Millwall 17,690; Charlton 8,734.
1929: Millwall 20,306; Charlton 11.478
1930: Millwall 18,865; Charlton 13,666
1931: Millwall 14,445; Charlton 10,875
1932: Millwall 14,073; Charlton 11,929
1933: Millwall 13,807; Charlton 12,938
1967: Millwall 16,112; Charlton 12,611
1968: Millwall 13,474; Charlton 13,945
1969: Millwall 15,343; Charlton 17,973
1970: Millwall 11,672; Charlton 12,693
1971: Millwall 9,835; Charlton 10,981
1972: Millwall 16,210; Charlton 10,430
1989: Millwall 15,660; Charlton 9,398 (Selhurst)
1990: Millwall 12,438; Charlton 10,748 (Selhurst)
1991: Millwall 11,113; Charlton 6,548 (Selhurst)
1992: Millwall 7,907; Charlton 6,786
1993: Millwall 9,189; Charlton 7,005
1994: Millwall 10,100; Charlton 8,056
1995: Millwall 7,687; Charlton 10,211
1996: Millwall 9,559; Charlton 11,185
So, Millwall have had the higher average attendance on 21 of the 27 occasions that the clubs have had a similar period of history. And of the other 6 seasons there is barely anything in it..literally a couple hundred in some cases...factor in the fact they get more floating fans & away fans at The Valley suggests our hardcore is actually a lot more robust than theirs.
The only time they get better crowds is when they are an established top flight club or after a period of success - well, derr!
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I'll give that round to Airman.. sorry Millwall. :-)0
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I sent my letter by snailmail on 21st October so I am expecting a reply to drop through my letterbox any day now ........Fanny Fanackapan said:
Would you be prepared to put that in writing for forwarding to the Club, alongside others, Len ?LenGlover said:In answer to Fanny's question I am a season ticket holder (two tickets in fact) and missed it on Saturday for family reasons.
The thing is I could, and at one time would, have dug my heels in and moved things around familywise, although it would have created some hassle, but really had no inclination to bother.
Yes people will say I cut my nose off to spite my face as I've already paid for the tickets but I spent longer with my little grandsons which you cannot put a price on and next season, as it stands, no way will I bother to renew.
I have no inclination to go anywhere I am not welcome and Ms Meire has made it clear that those whom have followed the Club for 50 plus years and are sixty plus are unwelcome.
My family cannot understand my recent ambivalence to Charlton Athletic given the crap I've insisted on going to watch when able since 1963 but Katrien you and your Sugar Daddy have killed it for me.
Thank You.1 -
Apology accepted.Atletico Addick said:I'll give that round to Airman.. sorry Millwall. :-)
I'm distraught, by the way. Not sure if I'll ever recover.
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"Someone on Millwall Online" - Not Moody is it? Bless.MillwallFan said:
Someone on Millwall Online, (and with more time on their hands than me!) saw this post and asked me to post this re size of hardcore support. Fairly interesting...stonemuse said:
Think ours is higher but can't be bothered to check historical stats ...all I do know is that neither of our clubs/fans are anything like Palaarse and for that we should both be truly grateful.MillwallFan said:This isn't meant as a dig but although you like to label us with the 'Smallwall' tag, I reckon that once you strip both our support back to the bare bones, including the 'Johnny-come-latelys' who turned up during your Prem years (and we all know those type of fans don't have any staying power) then I reckon our hardcore support isn't too dissimilar.
This is the best comparison between the two's hardcore support...they show the occasions when both clubs were in a similar period of their histories:
1921: Millwall 18,762; Charlton failed to get into League.
1922: Millwall 17,524; Charlton 9,380.
1923: Millwall 17,238; Charlton 8,165
1924: Millwall 16,671; Charlton 6,745
1925: Millwall 15,286; Charlton 9,750.
1926: Millwall 14,953; Charlton 7,403.
1927: Millwall 14,173; Charlton 6,951.
1928: Millwall 17,690; Charlton 8,734.
1929: Millwall 20,306; Charlton 11.478
1930: Millwall 18,865; Charlton 13,666
1931: Millwall 14,445; Charlton 10,875
1932: Millwall 14,073; Charlton 11,929
1933: Millwall 13,807; Charlton 12,938
1967: Millwall 16,112; Charlton 12,611
1968: Millwall 13,474; Charlton 13,945
1969: Millwall 15,343; Charlton 17,973
1970: Millwall 11,672; Charlton 12,693
1971: Millwall 9,835; Charlton 10,981
1972: Millwall 16,210; Charlton 10,430
1989: Millwall 15,660; Charlton 9,398 (Selhurst)
1990: Millwall 12,438; Charlton 10,748 (Selhurst)
1991: Millwall 11,113; Charlton 6,548 (Selhurst)
1992: Millwall 7,907; Charlton 6,786
1993: Millwall 9,189; Charlton 7,005
1994: Millwall 10,100; Charlton 8,056
1995: Millwall 7,687; Charlton 10,211
1996: Millwall 9,559; Charlton 11,185
So, Millwall have had the higher average attendance on 21 of the 27 occasions that the clubs have had a similar period of history. And of the other 6 seasons there is barely anything in it..literally a couple hundred in some cases...factor in the fact they get more floating fans & away fans at The Valley suggests our hardcore is actually a lot more robust than theirs.
The only time they get better crowds is when they are an established top flight club or after a period of success - well, derr!
Read more: http://www.millwall.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=118352&posts=9#ixzz3syNFhmpr0 -
Is it Bunny? I always liked her.redsek said:
"Someone on Millwall Online" - Not Moody is it? Bless.MillwallFan said:
Someone on Millwall Online, (and with more time on their hands than me!) saw this post and asked me to post this re size of hardcore support. Fairly interesting...stonemuse said:
Think ours is higher but can't be bothered to check historical stats ...all I do know is that neither of our clubs/fans are anything like Palaarse and for that we should both be truly grateful.MillwallFan said:This isn't meant as a dig but although you like to label us with the 'Smallwall' tag, I reckon that once you strip both our support back to the bare bones, including the 'Johnny-come-latelys' who turned up during your Prem years (and we all know those type of fans don't have any staying power) then I reckon our hardcore support isn't too dissimilar.
This is the best comparison between the two's hardcore support...they show the occasions when both clubs were in a similar period of their histories:
1921: Millwall 18,762; Charlton failed to get into League.
1922: Millwall 17,524; Charlton 9,380.
1923: Millwall 17,238; Charlton 8,165
1924: Millwall 16,671; Charlton 6,745
1925: Millwall 15,286; Charlton 9,750.
1926: Millwall 14,953; Charlton 7,403.
1927: Millwall 14,173; Charlton 6,951.
1928: Millwall 17,690; Charlton 8,734.
1929: Millwall 20,306; Charlton 11.478
1930: Millwall 18,865; Charlton 13,666
1931: Millwall 14,445; Charlton 10,875
1932: Millwall 14,073; Charlton 11,929
1933: Millwall 13,807; Charlton 12,938
1967: Millwall 16,112; Charlton 12,611
1968: Millwall 13,474; Charlton 13,945
1969: Millwall 15,343; Charlton 17,973
1970: Millwall 11,672; Charlton 12,693
1971: Millwall 9,835; Charlton 10,981
1972: Millwall 16,210; Charlton 10,430
1989: Millwall 15,660; Charlton 9,398 (Selhurst)
1990: Millwall 12,438; Charlton 10,748 (Selhurst)
1991: Millwall 11,113; Charlton 6,548 (Selhurst)
1992: Millwall 7,907; Charlton 6,786
1993: Millwall 9,189; Charlton 7,005
1994: Millwall 10,100; Charlton 8,056
1995: Millwall 7,687; Charlton 10,211
1996: Millwall 9,559; Charlton 11,185
So, Millwall have had the higher average attendance on 21 of the 27 occasions that the clubs have had a similar period of history. And of the other 6 seasons there is barely anything in it..literally a couple hundred in some cases...factor in the fact they get more floating fans & away fans at The Valley suggests our hardcore is actually a lot more robust than theirs.
The only time they get better crowds is when they are an established top flight club or after a period of success - well, derr!
Read more: http://www.millwall.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=118352&posts=9#ixzz3syNFhmpr2 -
This about sums my feelings up, many years a season ticket holder, in later years with my daughter then youngest son. He now plays Saturday football so I declined to purchase any season tickets this year, like LG I could have purchased and fitted in some games but in truth I just couldn't be bothered. The spin surrounding the Budget has annoyed me perhaps more than anything else. What about my budget over the years? All my hard earned cash spent on tickets shirts pies beers petrol not to mention lost overtime! Well I have cut MY BUDGET to attend, as I am now over budget I will not be making any arrangements to attend matches outside of my sons football until such time as I find a good enough reason to do so.LenGlover said:In answer to Fanny's question I am a season ticket holder (two tickets in fact) and missed it on Saturday for family reasons.
The thing is I could, and at one time would, have dug my heels in and moved things around familywise, although it would have created some hassle, but really had no inclination to bother.
Yes people will say I cut my nose off to spite my face as I've already paid for the tickets but I spent longer with my little grandsons which you cannot put a price on and next season, as it stands, no way will I bother to renew.
I have no inclination to go anywhere I am not welcome and Ms Meire has made it clear that those whom have followed the Club for 50 plus years and are sixty plus are unwelcome.
My family cannot understand my recent ambivalence to Charlton Athletic given the crap I've insisted on going to watch when able since 1963 but Katrien you and your Sugar Daddy have killed it for me.
Thank You.
Thank you.
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Out of interest, what has "made it clear" that >60s are unwelcome ?
The management are criticised for not communicating at all - when did this message come out ?0 -
The words of Ms Meire herself in an interview in a Belgian (or French perhaps) publication. I believe it is called L'Echo but may have the name wrong.PL54 said:Out of interest, what has "made it clear" that >60s are unwelcome ?
The management are criticised for not communicating at all - when did this message come out ?
She said something to the effect that too many Charlton fans have been supporting the club for 50 years or more and that a woman of 80 criticised her for changing the mascots. She also stated that although she shouldn't say it she cared nothing for the history of the Club.
As a sexagenarian whom has supported the club for over 50 years such comments do not make me feel welcome and, in my opinion, it is not too much of a leap to surmise that she has nothing but contempt for that particular demographic to which I belong.
it appears that others think likewise.5 -
This may not specifically illustrate your point but the decision at the end of last season to extend (without warning or consultation) the age at which one qualifies for a senior season ticket from 60 to 65 (or is it 66 - I'm not sure) has really got my goat.PL54 said:Out of interest, what has "made it clear" that >60s are unwelcome ?
The management are criticised for not communicating at all - when did this message come out ?
OK, I'm annoyed because as a new "pensioner" not only am I going to lose out on 5 or 6 years of concessionary prices, it is also such an underhand move that it sums up everything which is wrong with the club at the moment. Our dear CE obviously thinks this will be a real money raising move but it won't because this long-standing supporter is so fed up with this nonsense that I am 99% certain at the moment that I will not re-new my season ticket out of principle. If I don't renew, my son certainly will not re-new his season ticket either. As our 2 season tickets will presumably cost £500 each next year, that's a £1000 the club can kiss goodbye to. So I wouldn't be at all surprised if a few other people also don't renew out of principle this move will actually cost the club money.
KM - you are truly clueless.7 -
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A complete refusal to stock Werther's Originals in the kiosks and the outright rejection of a swathe of 90 year olds auditioning for the centre circle "pitchgate" advert made the club's position abundantly clear.PL54 said:Out of interest, what has "made it clear" that >60s are unwelcome ?
The management are criticised for not communicating at all - when did this message come out ?3 -
Didn't someone who actually speaks the same language as her state that the translation we all read was poor ?LenGlover said:
The words of Ms Meire herself in an interview in a Belgian (or French perhaps) publication. I believe it is called L'Echo but may have the name wrong.PL54 said:Out of interest, what has "made it clear" that >60s are unwelcome ?
The management are criticised for not communicating at all - when did this message come out ?
She said something to the effect that too many Charlton fans have been supporting the club for 50 years or more and that a woman of 80 criticised her for changing the mascots. She also stated that although she shouldn't say it she cared nothing for the history of the Club.
As a sexagenarian whom has supported the club for over 50 years such comments do not make me feel welcome and, in my opinion, it is not too much of a leap to surmise that she has nothing but contempt for that particular demographic to which I belong.
it appears that others think likewise.0 -
Now you're getting to the crux of itRodneyCharltonTrotta said:
A complete refusal to stock Werther's Originals in the kiosks and the outright rejection of a swathe of 90 year olds auditioning for the centre circle "pitchgate" advert made the club's position abundantly clear.PL54 said:Out of interest, what has "made it clear" that >60s are unwelcome ?
The management are criticised for not communicating at all - when did this message come out ?1 -
Not according to Wyn Grant.PL54 said:
Didn't someone who actually speaks the same language as her state that the translation we all read was poor ?LenGlover said:
The words of Ms Meire herself in an interview in a Belgian (or French perhaps) publication. I believe it is called L'Echo but may have the name wrong.PL54 said:Out of interest, what has "made it clear" that >60s are unwelcome ?
The management are criticised for not communicating at all - when did this message come out ?
She said something to the effect that too many Charlton fans have been supporting the club for 50 years or more and that a woman of 80 criticised her for changing the mascots. She also stated that although she shouldn't say it she cared nothing for the history of the Club.
As a sexagenarian whom has supported the club for over 50 years such comments do not make me feel welcome and, in my opinion, it is not too much of a leap to surmise that she has nothing but contempt for that particular demographic to which I belong.
it appears that others think likewise.
This: http://addickschampionshipdiary.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/interview-with-katrien.html
and this
http://addickschampionshipdiary.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/a-mountain-view-of-charlton.html
The comments also reiterate Wyn Grant's view.0 -
Yes, I believe her name was Katrien.PL54 said:
Didn't someone who actually speaks the same language as her state that the translation we all read was poor ?LenGlover said:
The words of Ms Meire herself in an interview in a Belgian (or French perhaps) publication. I believe it is called L'Echo but may have the name wrong.PL54 said:Out of interest, what has "made it clear" that >60s are unwelcome ?
The management are criticised for not communicating at all - when did this message come out ?
She said something to the effect that too many Charlton fans have been supporting the club for 50 years or more and that a woman of 80 criticised her for changing the mascots. She also stated that although she shouldn't say it she cared nothing for the history of the Club.
As a sexagenarian whom has supported the club for over 50 years such comments do not make me feel welcome and, in my opinion, it is not too much of a leap to surmise that she has nothing but contempt for that particular demographic to which I belong.
it appears that others think likewise.6
