Katrien sacked?
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It's free, although the annual return (dated 3/3/15) carries a fee of £13 for an on line submission, £40 by post (used to be £30 a couple of years ago, Co's House clearly keen to go paperless) and there are fines for tardiness.Addickted said:That signature is 100% fake.
Wouldn't surprise me if it's been done by a fan. The 5th December date is a bit of a give away.
Is this service free, or do you have to pay for adding/removing Directors.
Just seen pettgra's earlier post
however if a fake notification was done to cause inconvenience it will be minor and just mean a phone call by either KM or Joyes to their professional advisors (albeit probably at a cost) to amend / take up with Co's House, assuming they can't be bothered to do it themselves and we all know KM hates communicating or corresponding 
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I don't know if one of the signatures is a fake. If it is, it is a very foolhardy thing to do.
On the signature itself, well the theory such as it is, is that your handwriting is the real you, and your signature is how you want to project yourself, but is nevertheless revealing.
Graphology is quite a big deal on the continent, and certainly in Belgium where job applications are often required to be handwritten.
Looking at the links I posted yesterday, the perspective on Katrien's signature (and those features are evident in both signatures) has resonance with how she is perceived by many.
Everybody has distinctive handwriting, much more differentiated than star signs for example, and the study of that writing has been explored to the point of quasi science. Personally I think there is some truth in Graphology, certainly much more than Astrology, but the analysis of handwriting is better seen as an indicator rather than a deal breaker.
People are often judged by the way they dress, we know that can be a flawed judgement very often, but nevertheless it happens, and in a phenomenological sense it has significance. Indeed forensics respects graphology.
If anybody can post some actual Katrien handwriting we can try to analyse it.1 -
It must surely be like the bank though... When you wanted to withdraw money using your Account Book, you used to have to sign for the money which they'd confirm using the signature they had on file.
Surely its the same on Companies House, if someone was a Director they'd have signed a Document confirming their appointment which CH would keep on file and so refer back to when that person authorises any changes?0 -
Agree - it certainly looks fake compared to the other example. It would also explain the use of the paper form and not the online system. I am a Director of my own Limited Company and you only need 1 Director in a Ltd company (not PLC) and the Companies House on-line system for adding/amending/removing company officials is pretty good and easy to use - so I'm sure, if it was genuine, they would use that.Addickted said:That signature is 100% fake.
Wouldn't surprise me if it's been done by a fan. The 5th December date is a bit of a give away.
Is this service free, or do you have to pay for adding/removing Directors.
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In theory yes, but these days whether everything is checked (by scanner?), your guess is as good as mine. Would it be cost effective to check every signature? This is only a termination of a directorship don't forget, so where is the risk?ForeverAddickted said:It must surely be like the bank though... When you wanted to withdraw money using your Account Book, you used to have to sign for the money which they'd confirm using the signature they had on file.
Surely its the same on Companies House, if someone was a Director they'd have signed a Document confirming their appointment which CH would keep on file and so refer back to when that person authorises any changes?
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Graphology is quackery of the highest order.seth plum said:I don't know if one of the signatures is a fake. If it is, it is a very foolhardy thing to do.
On the signature itself, well the theory such as it is, is that your handwriting is the real you, and your signature is how you want to project yourself, but is nevertheless revealing.
Graphology is quite a big deal on the continent, and certainly in Belgium where job applications are often required to be handwritten.
Looking at the links I posted yesterday, the perspective on Katrien's signature (and those features are evident in both signatures) has resonance with how she is perceived by many.
Everybody has distinctive handwriting, much more differentiated than star signs for example, and the study of that writing has been explored to the point of quasi science. Personally I think there is some truth in Graphology, certainly much more than Astrology, but the analysis of handwriting is better seen as an indicator rather than a deal breaker.
People are often judged by the way they dress, we know that can be a flawed judgement very often, but nevertheless it happens, and in a phenomenological sense it has significance. Indeed forensics respects graphology.
If anybody can post some actual Katrien handwriting we can try to analyse it.
http://skepdic.com/graphol.html5 -
Maybe she was laughing when she signed it?18
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Is that for real, Seth? Bloody hell, we are in trouble.seth plum said:I don't know if one of the signatures is a fake. If it is, it is a very foolhardy thing to do.
On the signature itself, well the theory such as it is, is that your handwriting is the real you, and your signature is how you want to project yourself, but is nevertheless revealing.
Graphology is quite a big deal on the continent, and certainly in Belgium where job applications are often required to be handwritten.
Looking at the links I posted yesterday, the perspective on Katrien's signature (and those features are evident in both signatures) has resonance with how she is perceived by many.
Everybody has distinctive handwriting, much more differentiated than star signs for example, and the study of that writing has been explored to the point of quasi science. Personally I think there is some truth in Graphology, certainly much more than Astrology, but the analysis of handwriting is better seen as an indicator rather than a deal breaker.
People are often judged by the way they dress, we know that can be a flawed judgement very often, but nevertheless it happens, and in a phenomenological sense it has significance. Indeed forensics respects graphology.
If anybody can post some actual Katrien handwriting we can try to analyse it.3 -
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There is no chance whatsoever that The Registrar of Companies would spend huge amounts of money employing people to check the authenticity of signatures on vast quantities of director changes every year. Much easier and cheaper just to deal with the occasional issue as and when.ForeverAddickted said:It must surely be like the bank though... When you wanted to withdraw money using your Account Book, you used to have to sign for the money which they'd confirm using the signature they had on file.
Surely its the same on Companies House, if someone was a Director they'd have signed a Document confirming their appointment which CH would keep on file and so refer back to when that person authorises any changes?
Imagine a typical scenario of someone resigning a directorship because they had become old and doddery and perhaps were suffering from Parkinson's. The prospects of their signature being the same as the one when they became a director would be minuscule.0 - Sponsored links:
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Belgium, EU, can't wait until @LenGlover picks up on thisStig said:
Is that for real, Seth? Bloody hell, we are in trouble.seth plum said:I don't know if one of the signatures is a fake. If it is, it is a very foolhardy thing to do.
On the signature itself, well the theory such as it is, is that your handwriting is the real you, and your signature is how you want to project yourself, but is nevertheless revealing.
Graphology is quite a big deal on the continent, and certainly in Belgium where job applications are often required to be handwritten.
Looking at the links I posted yesterday, the perspective on Katrien's signature (and those features are evident in both signatures) has resonance with how she is perceived by many.
Everybody has distinctive handwriting, much more differentiated than star signs for example, and the study of that writing has been explored to the point of quasi science. Personally I think there is some truth in Graphology, certainly much more than Astrology, but the analysis of handwriting is better seen as an indicator rather than a deal breaker.
People are often judged by the way they dress, we know that can be a flawed judgement very often, but nevertheless it happens, and in a phenomenological sense it has significance. Indeed forensics respects graphology.
If anybody can post some actual Katrien handwriting we can try to analyse it. 0 -
I can accept this actually. The extensive claims msde by graphologists are not credible. However it might be possible to detect a few very basic things from handwriting such as if somebody is in a hurry when they are writing, or in a stressed mood due to heavy imprint on the paper if a ballpoint pen is used. I am intrigued as to why people, commonly between adolescence and early adulthood, don't dot their 'i's' but draw a little circle, which then fades away as people get older.Henry Irving said:
Graphology is quackery of the highest order.seth plum said:I don't know if one of the signatures is a fake. If it is, it is a very foolhardy thing to do.
On the signature itself, well the theory such as it is, is that your handwriting is the real you, and your signature is how you want to project yourself, but is nevertheless revealing.
Graphology is quite a big deal on the continent, and certainly in Belgium where job applications are often required to be handwritten.
Looking at the links I posted yesterday, the perspective on Katrien's signature (and those features are evident in both signatures) has resonance with how she is perceived by many.
Everybody has distinctive handwriting, much more differentiated than star signs for example, and the study of that writing has been explored to the point of quasi science. Personally I think there is some truth in Graphology, certainly much more than Astrology, but the analysis of handwriting is better seen as an indicator rather than a deal breaker.
People are often judged by the way they dress, we know that can be a flawed judgement very often, but nevertheless it happens, and in a phenomenological sense it has significance. Indeed forensics respects graphology.
If anybody can post some actual Katrien handwriting we can try to analyse it.
http://skepdic.com/graphol.html
Possibly there is a small percentage of truth in graphology, indeed judging which is a real, or which is a fake signature , is a kind of graphology0 -
maybe she hurt her fingers counting all the returned season tickets.2
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From the age of 18 for a year I had a job that required me to sign off 200 or so stock transfer forms a day. My signature quickly changed out of all recognition from a fairly basic writing out of my name to an indecipherable scrawl. (Unless I thought there was anything dubious about the transfer in which case I used to sign off as "Mary Poppins".)3
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Never ever considered a 'John Bull' kit thencafcfan said:From the age of 18 for a year I had a job that required me to sign off 200 or so stock transfer forms a day. My signature quickly changed out of all recognition from a fairly basic writing out of my name to an indecipherable scrawl. (Unless I thought there was anything dubious about the transfer in which case I used to sign off as "Mary Poppins".)
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That would have been good.RedChaser said:
Never ever considered a 'John Bull' kit thencafcfan said:From the age of 18 for a year I had a job that required me to sign off 200 or so stock transfer forms a day. My signature quickly changed out of all recognition from a fairly basic writing out of my name to an indecipherable scrawl. (Unless I thought there was anything dubious about the transfer in which case I used to sign off as "Mary Poppins".)
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We were provided with an ink pad and one of these to help things along.
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Only on Charlton Life could a thread about the CEO being sacked turn into a conversation on Graphology10
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Looks like she struggles to spell her own name on that evidence.Henry Irving said:8 -
Well English isnt her first language!
If I clench I wonder if she will also sign my seat?1 - Sponsored links:
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Ahhh, those were the dayscafcfan said:
That would have been good.RedChaser said:
Never ever considered a 'John Bull' kit thencafcfan said:From the age of 18 for a year I had a job that required me to sign off 200 or so stock transfer forms a day. My signature quickly changed out of all recognition from a fairly basic writing out of my name to an indecipherable scrawl. (Unless I thought there was anything dubious about the transfer in which case I used to sign off as "Mary Poppins".)
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We were provided with an ink pad and one of these to help things along. . 0 -
So much more than train spotters! .
Have you seen the new typeface on the trains to Charing Cross? Or should I open this as a new thread?4 -
Similar happened to me, where I had to sign hundreds of times in a day in a previous job - my signature changed from where you could see every letter to a quick squiggle and remains the same now.cafcfan said:From the age of 18 for a year I had a job that required me to sign off 200 or so stock transfer forms a day. My signature quickly changed out of all recognition from a fairly basic writing out of my name to an indecipherable scrawl. (Unless I thought there was anything dubious about the transfer in which case I used to sign off as "Mary Poppins".)
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Anyone else remember the days of going on holiday and standing in the bank signing loads of traveller's cheques. Same thing happened...cafcfan said:From the age of 18 for a year I had a job that required me to sign off 200 or so stock transfer forms a day. My signature quickly changed out of all recognition from a fairly basic writing out of my name to an indecipherable scrawl. (Unless I thought there was anything dubious about the transfer in which case I used to sign off as "Mary Poppins".)
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Never had to do that meself, probably coz of the stocking over me heeeed and the gun in me handcafc-west said:
Anyone else remember the days of going on holiday and standing in the bank signing loads of traveller's cheques. Same thing happened...cafcfan said:From the age of 18 for a year I had a job that required me to sign off 200 or so stock transfer forms a day. My signature quickly changed out of all recognition from a fairly basic writing out of my name to an indecipherable scrawl. (Unless I thought there was anything dubious about the transfer in which case I used to sign off as "Mary Poppins".)
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She could have signed it on a moving train ?6
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How times have changed mate, you would've got at least 15 years for armed robbery, much easier to forge a cheque for £1million these days and you might get away with a bit of community service and a suspended sentencei_b_b_o_r_g said:
Never had to do that meself, probably coz of the stocking over me heeeed and the gun in me handcafc-west said:
Anyone else remember the days of going on holiday and standing in the bank signing loads of traveller's cheques. Same thing happened...cafcfan said:From the age of 18 for a year I had a job that required me to sign off 200 or so stock transfer forms a day. My signature quickly changed out of all recognition from a fairly basic writing out of my name to an indecipherable scrawl. (Unless I thought there was anything dubious about the transfer in which case I used to sign off as "Mary Poppins".)
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Typical Charlton, why not a car or Lambretta?Miserableoldgit said:She could have signed it on a moving train ?
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