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Will Trump become President?
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I didn't realise Bush ever sold half of Fort Knox's reserves for a fraction of their actual worth. Must have missed that entirely fictional event.Saga Lout said:
The Americans can only dream of getting someone as competent as Gordon Brown.Fiiish said:Surely the benchmark for Oval Office competence ought to be set a little higher than Dubya? That's like saying anyone who is more competent than Gordon Brown is good enough to be PM!
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Silly choice of homeSDAddick said:
When I was last in DC I had an Ethiopian cab driver who had dual degrees in electronic engineering and network admin. Couldn't get a job because DC firms only work with the Government and the Gov. requires people to be citizens. Wasted potential.limeygent said:
You have to be Ethiopian.Dazzler21 said:D.C Cab driver?
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Because the internet isn't always a shit hole.7 -
I met up with a couple of tolerably liberal US colleagues over the past week (actually one is a tolerably liberal gun toting hunting shooting type and the other is a marginally liberal but super anti-gay type; both work not far from New York).
I know one is a swing voter, the other I just can't tell.
They both are hoping that the Republican Party gets so shit scared about trump that they get Michael Bloomberg to chick his hat in. They both seem to think it's a realistic possibility.
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Interesting use of the word "liberal". Gun toting anti gay liberal? Do you mean "libertarian"?1
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PS...I like that the anti-gay type is "super". Tell him.0
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Trouble is, there are a lot of Americans with degrees who are having to drive cabs.SDAddick said:
When I was last in DC I had an Ethiopian cab driver who had dual degrees in electronic engineering and network admin. Couldn't get a job because DC firms only work with the Government and the Gov. requires people to be citizens. Wasted potential.limeygent said:
You have to be Ethiopian.Dazzler21 said:D.C Cab driver?
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Trump has made the US elections one of the most interesting presidential elections ever6
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Wish I was as much of a failure as him and be £100 behind himrandy andy said:
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In heard that if Trump stuck his entire fortune in a bank when he inherited it, he'd be richer than if he never lifted a finger in business. I don't know if it's true or not but it always makes me smile.5
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Inherited a surplus, left a $10t debt, two wars without foreseeable ends, a litany of war crimes, no bid contracts for friends of the administration which robbed the DoD of millions, terrible environmental record, no child left behind left children behind. Um, there's probably more.Fiiish said:
I didn't realise Bush ever sold half of Fort Knox's reserves for a fraction of their actual worth. Must have missed that entirely fictional event.Saga Lout said:
The Americans can only dream of getting someone as competent as Gordon Brown.Fiiish said:Surely the benchmark for Oval Office competence ought to be set a little higher than Dubya? That's like saying anyone who is more competent than Gordon Brown is good enough to be PM!
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It won't happen. Bloomberg is too liberal, too independent minded, too New York, and too Jewish to run under the Republican ticket. If he were to run he'd do a Ross Perrault and run as an independent. Cruz, Bloomberg, Trump, Hillary, and Sanders would make for an interesting general election if we didn't have the two party system.Alwaysneil said:
They both are hoping that the Republican Party gets so shit scared about trump that they get Michael Bloomberg to chick his hat in. They both seem to think it's a realistic possibility.1 -
You could be @smiffyboy how much of an inheritance have you got coming your way?smiffyboy said:
Wish I was as much of a failure as him and be £100 behind himrandy andy said:
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I think the biggest fear in the event of a Trump win would be US isolationism. Hard to imagine his support or his opponents backing foreign intervention other than Cold War type posturing and a reversal of arms limitation policies. In terms of aid alone that is a huge dent in UNHCR,WHO and World Bank budgets.
Trump is not unelectable but he is unlikely to be successful because like Farage the devil is in the detail and as a toxic brand those who would position themselves to be in any Trump administration will be exposed as being too inexperienced, too tainted by past indiscretions and too loopy to be allowed near power.0 -
Nothing lol, I never realised he inherited it.TelMc32 said:
You could be @smiffyboy how much of an inheritance have you got coming your way?smiffyboy said:
Wish I was as much of a failure as him and be £100 behind himrandy andy said:0 -
smiffyboy said:
Nothing lol, I never realised he inherited it.TelMc32 said:
You could be @smiffyboy how much of an inheritance have you got coming your way?smiffyboy said:
Wish I was as much of a failure as him and be £100 behind himrandy andy said:
his dad was a real estate tycoon, who managed to get his projects backed by government after the depression & again after the war. Various stories put the inheritance at between $40m &$200m in 1974.
Trump jnr had blown it by 1990 when he was $8bn (some stories say $5bn, but what's $3bn between friends) in debt. 70 banks did a deal to get him through it and he was able to take out 2nd & 3rd mortgages on all his properties.
SEC regulations boosted his floating of the Casino & Hotel business a few years later.
Donald though continues to rail against government & regulators while continuing to use them to boost & protect his interests, all the while claiming he is self made and built his fortune himself.
Fair enough. He's played the system he thinks is wrong (wants other countries to pay taxes to the US, wants the Mexicans to pay for Trump Wall) and used his inherited contacts to protect his wealth from his own business ineptitude.
The fools are those who continued to back him...and the US voters if they elect him!
Edit: just a personal opinion...can not see anything at all in Trump that would make me want to vote for him, but I also think this is the weakest presidential race I have seen in many years. Not much to recommend in any candidate.3 -
Completely agree. Republicans don't have hope but on the other side sanders is too old and too loopy to have any realistic chance of winning and Hilary is the definition of a career politician who says whatever who pays the most wants to hear.TelMc32 said:smiffyboy said:
Nothing lol, I never realised he inherited it.TelMc32 said:
You could be @smiffyboy how much of an inheritance have you got coming your way?smiffyboy said:
Wish I was as much of a failure as him and be £100 behind himrandy andy said: his dad was a real estate tycoon, who managed to get his projects backed by government after the depression & again after the war. Various stories put the inheritance at between $40m &$200m in 1974.
Trump jnr had blown it by 1990 when he was $8bn (some stories say $5bn, but what's $3bn between friends) in debt. 70 banks did a deal to get him through it and he was able to take out 2nd & 3rd mortgages on all his properties.
SEC regulations boosted his floating of the Casino & Hotel business a few years later.
Donald though continues to rail against government & regulators while continuing to use them to boost & protect his interests, all the while claiming he is self made and built his fortune himself.
Fair enough. He's played the system he thinks is wrong (wants other countries to pay taxes to the US, wants the Mexicans to pay for Trump Wall) and used his inherited contacts to protect his wealth from his own business ineptitude.
The fools are those who continued to back him...and the US voters if they elect him!
Edit: just a personal opinion...can not see anything at all in Trump that would make me want to vote for him, but I also think this is the weakest presidential race I have seen in many years. Not much to recommend in any candidate.0 - Sponsored links:
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Who lends $8bn to someone with $200m? The system is mental.TelMc32 said:smiffyboy said:
Nothing lol, I never realised he inherited it.TelMc32 said:
You could be @smiffyboy how much of an inheritance have you got coming your way?smiffyboy said:
Wish I was as much of a failure as him and be £100 behind himrandy andy said: his dad was a real estate tycoon, who managed to get his projects backed by government after the depression & again after the war. Various stories put the inheritance at between $40m &$200m in 1974.
Trump jnr had blown it by 1990 when he was $8bn (some stories say $5bn, but what's $3bn between friends) in debt. 70 banks did a deal to get him through it and he was able to take out 2nd & 3rd mortgages on all his properties.
SEC regulations boosted his floating of the Casino & Hotel business a few years later.
Donald though continues to rail against government & regulators while continuing to use them to boost & protect his interests, all the while claiming he is self made and built his fortune himself.
Fair enough. He's played the system he thinks is wrong (wants other countries to pay taxes to the US, wants the Mexicans to pay for Trump Wall) and used his inherited contacts to protect his wealth from his own business ineptitude.
The fools are those who continued to back him...and the US voters if they elect him!
Edit: just a personal opinion...can not see anything at all in Trump that would make me want to vote for him, but I also think this is the weakest presidential race I have seen in many years. Not much to recommend in any candidate.0 -
16 years between the 2 events. He pretty much kept pace with the growth of the US stock market. Maybe worse, maybe better, depending on what he did actually inherit, between the $40m & $200m estimates.North Lower Neil said:
Who lends $8bn to someone with $200m? The system is mental.TelMc32 said:smiffyboy said:
Nothing lol, I never realised he inherited it.TelMc32 said:
You could be @smiffyboy how much of an inheritance have you got coming your way?smiffyboy said:
Wish I was as much of a failure as him and be £100 behind himrandy andy said: his dad was a real estate tycoon, who managed to get his projects backed by government after the depression & again after the war. Various stories put the inheritance at between $40m &$200m in 1974.
Trump jnr had blown it by 1990 when he was $8bn (some stories say $5bn, but what's $3bn between friends) in debt. 70 banks did a deal to get him through it and he was able to take out 2nd & 3rd mortgages on all his properties.
SEC regulations boosted his floating of the Casino & Hotel business a few years later.
Donald though continues to rail against government & regulators while continuing to use them to boost & protect his interests, all the while claiming he is self made and built his fortune himself.
Fair enough. He's played the system he thinks is wrong (wants other countries to pay taxes to the US, wants the Mexicans to pay for Trump Wall) and used his inherited contacts to protect his wealth from his own business ineptitude.
The fools are those who continued to back him...and the US voters if they elect him!
Edit: just a personal opinion...can not see anything at all in Trump that would make me want to vote for him, but I also think this is the weakest presidential race I have seen in many years. Not much to recommend in any candidate.
You're right though. Who continues to back someone who has managed to lose between $5bn &$8bn?? There are people in this world who work hard to make a success of their lives & provide for their families. And then there are others, like Trump.0 -
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We gave our recently failed banks roughly $700b with few string attached. This is more or less par for the course.TelMc32 said:
You're right though. Who continues to back someone who has managed to lose between $5bn &$8bn?? There are people in this world who work hard to make a success of their lives & provide for their families. And then there are others, like Trump.
It should also be noted these aren't the kind of Government programs Trump is railing against. He has no problems with the tax breaks and benefits for the super wealthy. His problem is with people on food stamps living on $90 a week.0 -
"His problem is with people on food stamps living on $90 a week."
How much should the hand-out be?1 -
Somehow, in our economics, we've lost the concept of "Cost of Living," which is the point I was getting at. Being minted in Ugandan terms is great, except you don't live in Uganda and pay Ugandan prices. This is completely irrelevant, and an attempt at demonizing the poor, which make up 1 in 5 in America.limeygent said:9 -
Welfare is supposed to be a "safety net", not a "lifestyle", which it has become.2
