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Do you still not get it?
northdevonisred
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Is everyone on-board with the fact that the cause for such strong opposition against the club is about so much more than just the results and the position that leaves us in terms of relegation? Does everybody fully understand that the model that got us here and our sham of a current identity at a football club will be allowed to continue unless they go, whichever league we're in? And, yes, I'll say it, the potential for their decisions to get worse are increased if we stay up as this owner, CEO and club staff are more than arrogant enough to claim it a victory for their formula.
I noticed a lot of black and white scarves staying behind on '74 today? Did you not get why you were supposed to walk out? It wasn't about today, it wasn't just about 1 win since November at home or about 23rd in the table. It was about the future of the very club you claim to love. Blinded by loyalty or stunningly naive, you missed out on the point today and that's something that you have to understand if you really want to be on board with this.
I noticed a lot of black and white scarves staying behind on '74 today? Did you not get why you were supposed to walk out? It wasn't about today, it wasn't just about 1 win since November at home or about 23rd in the table. It was about the future of the very club you claim to love. Blinded by loyalty or stunningly naive, you missed out on the point today and that's something that you have to understand if you really want to be on board with this.
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I agree, but today was a success. We shouldn't divide ourselves.24
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Today was a success for all those wholly involved, whether it be as part of the protests, or for those who don't take part, but watching those who buy a scarf and then don't follow through because they clearly don't understand it infuriates me. Liverpool's walk-out was a fine example of separating the issue from the football, no matter what.1
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The walk out was disappointing. However don't let it get in the way of a very successful day. Incidentally the Liverpool walk out was only about 10,000 out of 44,000. and got a desired result. ours was maybe 1,000 out of 7,000.1
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How good would a completely empty stadium have looked when we're winning. A bold statement and would have got great plaudits.
It was 16 minutes! That's all.
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Seemed like a lot more than a thousand to me tbh.redman said:The walk out was disappointing. However don't let it get in the way of a very successful day. Incidentally the Liverpool walk out was only about 10,000 out of 44,000. and got a desired result. ours was maybe 1,000 out of 7,000.
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16 minutes in which we probably would have gone on to lose the gamecarly burn said:How good would a completely empty stadium have looked when we're winning. A bold statement and would have got great plaudits.
It was 16 minutes! That's all.
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I don't get it either. Talking to a couple of people after the game who were suggesting that we should be optimistic and 'we could get out of this, who knows'.....when the truth is we shouldn't be in this situation in the first place.
Today reinforced the notion that a goal or a win can do very strange things to fans' mentalities.6 -
I did not walk out.northdevonisred said:Today was a success for all those wholly involved, whether it be as part of the protests, or for those who don't take part, but watching those who buy a scarf and then don't follow through because they clearly don't understand it infuriates me. Liverpool's walk-out was a fine example of separating the issue from the football, no matter what.
To those who did walk out, I mean no ill. We all want the same thing - Roland to get out.
I did not walk out because I hadn't seen my team win at home since November. A team I've been coming to see since I was 4 years old.
A team I've seen lose 4-0 away at Man City many years ago; who I saw beat Chesterfield 4-0 away on a cold Tuesday night in Derbyshire; a team for whom I sneaked into the home end at Millwall to watch last year and see them painfully lose.
I clearly do understand what is going on and I 100% support the protests, apart from in this one instance where I did not walk out as I wanted to support the team (but not the regime).
I'm sure many of the others in B+W scarves who stayed felt exactly the same.
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Another thread? Just for more calling out of other fans? Now's not the time for it.
Today was a huge result in every possible way, it doesn't matter what it could've been - it is what it is.
It was ALWAYS going to be a risky tactic, personally I wasn't keen on the walkout idea because it had the potential to be spectacularly underwhelming. Given the fact we are in a relegation battle and were 1-0 against the team ranked 2nd... in a season devoid of joy.
The cards were well and truly stacked against it. Somehow though it worked and decent numbers DID leave. Focus on that, rather than what may have been.
I can appreciate it's frustrating. Much the same as being referred to as a tosser on the concourse for your scarf choice or arguing with the person sat behind you.
Unlike that though, these posts are directly calling out other protesters and there's no need. It's bad enough having arguments between opposing sides, but now petty little arguments inside one group? It plays in to Katriens hands and through division she can conquer.
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For the record if the fans stay or go it makes no difference , if the end result had been 1-1 or 1-2 so many of our mincing fans would have been blaming the protests for the end result
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Please tell me how the walk out would support the team not the regime?
Staying up is more important than being rid of RD and KM. if you don't agree I think you may need to rethink how we'll get back up when we have all our assets stripped to save costs in L1.
Tell me why fans had vitriolic chants shouted at them for supporting the team to the end?2 -
Thing is those that didn't walk out didn't do it to spite the excellent protests and some probably wavered about joining in. Abusing those wavering individuals will hardly make them more likely to join in next time.7
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The impact of the walkout was greatly reduced by the ground already being so empty, this non attendance was already a better indication of the dissatisfaction around the place than a walkout especially after the total farce of the supposed pitch invasion. Plus you cant blame people for wanting to see if we could finally get 3 pts.1
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They should've been at Rotherham or Brentford then....2
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I'm not one for normally posting comments that divide opinion, I normally stick to post match views and occasionally write questions
But I can't help but echo what the commentator said on sky yesterday when the image of one gentleman argueing with another about the whistling...
Fans as supporters paying to watch the match have freedom to choose to do whatever they want , wether that be there just to watch the match or to come to protest. It's pivotal that we get these horrible cretins out of our club I agree but you'll never ever get every single fan feeling the same way.
Every single game more and more people are fed up with the regime and club aboard the protest in order to find a new era and in my opinion yesterday was a huge success, and thus we should never go about calling out people who didn't walk out, didn't go on the pitch blah blah blah , as its every individual choice, I certainly wouldn't have walked on the pitch as I don't have the plums to do so, especially with young children.
I see your point about the people with black and white scarfs not walking out, but as with any initiative to raise awareness of the protests , you'll get people strolling past , see free scarfs and take them.
We as a collective on here want those w****rs out but unfortunately this sample doesn't reflect the whole population, but that's okay as more and more people join, the more and more pressure mounts.
Keep going CARD, the efforts are tremendous.11 -
I honestly don't blame people for staying behind. After months and months of utter dross, the team put in a quality performance, and those who had paid hundreds of ££s only to be rewarded with one of the worst seasons on record finally got something to cheer and cling on to.
I get that the issues are bigger than any one game, but when it comes to a bunch of people finally seeing something they enjoy, I don't begrudge them staying. Enough people left for it to have an impact and register on Sky, and the protest chanting could be heard inside the stadium. I think it was a success.
100% empty would have been amazing, but that's not to say what was achieved was no good. It absolutely was.8 -
How can you possibly blame people for not walking out?! We've been absolute toilet particularly at home, and for once by some miracle we pull a performance out the bag against a very strong side, I wasn't there as I couldn't get back from Sunday league football in time but I wouldn't of walked that's for sure not whilst we're winning.1
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To me, a walkout when your team is winning is a very bold statement. It shows that whatever the problem, its bigger than then actual game itself.
If customers are prepared to miss those final moments of glory, things must be wrong. People are always walking out of games with 5/10 minutes left especially when losing, its not a big deal. But very few do when winning.5 -
I sit in the east stand centre blocks near the back...hardly anyone moved from that area and i got abuse from so called fans when i left...
Some people want others to take the fight for them why they do eff all.0 -
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But the whole point was that the win wasn't guaranteed. Can you imagine the lift the Boro players would gave got if all the home fans had exited, and the negative affect on the Charlton players?cafckev said:To me, a walkout when your team is winning is a very bold statement. It shows that whatever the problem, its bigger than then actual game itself.
If customers are prepared to miss those final moments of glory, things must be wrong. People are always walking out of games with 5/10 minutes left especially when losing, its not a big deal. But very few do when winning.0 -
The pictures above of the covered end show that the home fans did exit in massive numbers, and the fact that it neither rallied Boro, not prevented us scoring minutes later (when any effect of the mass exit would likely be at their greatest) shows it was just in your imagination. It had absolutely zero effect on the players, and the reality is that it never was going to effect the players. They like to talk about 12th man because it's good PR, but in the vast majority of cases we the fans have very little effect on the action. We can stir them into activity if we're really loud and create and amazing atmosphere, and the same can be used to intimidate opposition.
But the crowd was poor, the atmosphere surprisingly good, and a mass exodus was never going to have any sizeable effect on the players. Not leaving and then saying it was because you didn't want to effect the result is paranoia (probably justified, we've thrown away enough points late in games) and self-justification. The reality is we were winning and you didn't want to miss the last 16 minutes, everything else doesn't match the reality of the situation.3 -
Thought you were supposed to be going on to the pitch? What happened?4
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You little tease you.Sparrows Lane Lion said:Thought you were supposed to be going on to the pitch? What happened?
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I was all up for it but realised that given what I was wearing I'd probably be recognised.Sparrows Lane Lion said:Thought you were supposed to be going on to the pitch? What happened?
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Did you get permission to post a photo of SLL on this forum?ricky_otto said:
I was all up for it but realised that given what I was wearing I'd probably be recognised.Sparrows Lane Lion said:Thought you were supposed to be going on to the pitch? What happened?
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Are you Max Miller's grandson?ricky_otto said:
I was all up for it but realised that given what I was wearing I'd probably be recognised.Sparrows Lane Lion said:Thought you were supposed to be going on to the pitch? What happened?
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in my opinion walking out, beach balls, whistles etc AND the team still winning is the massive bonus. Put's to bed once and for all that it affects the team. Does it bollocks. When we lose they hide behind it and use it as an excuse. Not any more they can't.oohaahmortimer said:For the record if the fans stay or go it makes no difference , if the end result had been 1-1 or 1-2 so many of our mincing fans would have been blaming the protests for the end result
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