VOTV - New takeover news
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Will a takeover mean that Rowland stays on the board till we get to the Prem too?3
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That would seem a pointless exercise. He would be just transferring value from one asset (squad/player market value) to another asset (cash in bank or reduction in overdraft). It won't make any difference to the selling value of the club.dickplumb said:If Duchatelet is serious about selling the Club. I think he will be selling any player of value in the Summer and not investing in any new players.
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But what will the busybodies do if anything goes wrong in the first few months of any new buyer's ownership.
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Preferred your posts yesterday.PL54 said:But what will the busybodies do if anything goes wrong in the first few months of any new buyer's ownership.
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CAPL54ShootersHillGuru said:
Preferred your posts yesterday.PL54 said:But what will the busybodies do if anything goes wrong in the first few months of any new buyer's ownership.
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Let him whom is without sin cast the first stone.....
This guy had just suffered a hammer blow of finding out that someone he trusted a great deal had taken him for a ride. I'd imagine all of us would be a tad emotional in the same circumstances. The idea that an ill advised choice of words uttered at a highly emotional and stressful moment should now define him in some way is simply ludicrous.
We are all human and we all make mistakes. If you can take the moral high ground and proclaim that you have never said anything ill advised in a moment of weakness, then I salute you. As for me, I'm not going to hold it against the fella given the circumstances.8 -
It's terrifying isn't it? What will you have to make snide posts about if everyone's cheerful? Where will you go?PL54 said:But what will the busybodies do if anything goes wrong in the first few months of any new buyer's ownership.
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http://www.southlondon-today.co.uk/article.cfm?id=117273
So, Roland is open to offers and we now have at least 2 serious groups of investors. Good thing we are as good as relegated so the new owners will know well in advance where we're going to be.1 -
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That's a good point. He'll sell off the Crown Jewels before selling the club. Let's hope these various buyers are serious. If RD flogs the core of the team and we're struggling, THEN the mystery buyers walk away...it could well be League 2.dickplumb said:If Duchatelet is serious about selling the Club. I think he will be selling any player of value in the Summer and not investing in any new players.
I'm so optimistic this morning, as you can probably tell.
I'm not sure I'd call them Crown Jewels - Crown Trinkets might be more the level of our current squad1 -
I think the key to understanding what has changed is that until recently the board and SMT had never accepted we would go down. To some extent RD may have been misled by the last two seasons into believing it was easier to get out of trouble than it is. Murray has been telling them that although fans would still be unhappy, there would be no protests without a small number of troublemakers stirring it - you can guess the names.
I can see why he might choose to think that, however that's not the real dynamic with CARD as many people involved in the organisation and decision-making would be unknown to him (and me until recently). Anyway, they thought they could contain the situation, results would turn and the problems would go away.
The Elliott interest has been around for at least four months. The point is that the door, which was firmly shut, is now at least ajar, and it is RD who has opened it. Everything else is negotiation. I don't know if Elliott and his associates are credible, but the story did not come from the club.49 -
Indeed. Elliott has had his fingers burned recently and would be naive to put any money into anything that is loss making at the present time. He's a front man and no different to Jiminez.oohaahmortimer said:No way will Elliott be putting any money in , we all know you'll lose money if you "invest" in football and with the way he reacted to losing money with Rufus he isn't gonna wanna be involved in a sure fire loser .
The punters who "invested" in Rufus's trading activity surely realised that they could lose when you trade on markets0 -
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No he seems to have lost the plot big time. He wasn't getting enough attention, in fact never did as child either I would guess.LenGlover said:Is it just me or have PL54's posts disappeared?
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Didn't he sing "Blue Berry hill" ?Henry Irving said:
Fizz Waller will sort him out.The Red Robin said:
I wonder how Katrien will try to ignore that one. I hope she introduces him to the right person to buy a billboard from.J BLOCK said:Paul Elliott linked with #cafc takeover bid by fanzine Voice of the Valley. Elliott due to be at The Valley today.
Or is that him from Britain's got X factor in the jungle?Henry Irving said:
Fizz Waller will sort him out.The Red Robin said:
I wonder how Katrien will try to ignore that one. I hope she introduces him to the right person to buy a billboard from.J BLOCK said:Paul Elliott linked with #cafc takeover bid by fanzine Voice of the Valley. Elliott due to be at The Valley today.
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Has Varney had a call?Airman Brown said:I think the key to understanding what has changed is that until recently the board and SMT had never accepted we would go down. To some extent RD may have been misled by the last two seasons into believing it was easier to get out of trouble than it is. Murray has been telling them that although fans would still be unhappy, there would be no protests without a small number of troublemakers stirring it - you can guess the names.
I can see why he might choose to think that, however that's not the real dynamic with CARD as many people involved in the organisation and decision-making would be unknown to him (and me until recently). Anyway, they thought they could contain the situation, results would turn and the problems would go away.
The Elliott interest has been around for at least four months. The point is that the door, which was firmly shut, is now at least ajar, and it is RD who has opened it. Everything else is negotiation. I don't know if Elliott and his associates are credible, but the story did not come from the club.0 -
Not to my knowledge. Murray will be desperate to prevent that.carly burn said:
Has Varney had a call?Airman Brown said:I think the key to understanding what has changed is that until recently the board and SMT had never accepted we would go down. To some extent RD may have been misled by the last two seasons into believing it was easier to get out of trouble than it is. Murray has been telling them that although fans would still be unhappy, there would be no protests without a small number of troublemakers stirring it - you can guess the names.
I can see why he might choose to think that, however that's not the real dynamic with CARD as many people involved in the organisation and decision-making would be unknown to him (and me until recently). Anyway, they thought they could contain the situation, results would turn and the problems would go away.
The Elliott interest has been around for at least four months. The point is that the door, which was firmly shut, is now at least ajar, and it is RD who has opened it. Everything else is negotiation. I don't know if Elliott and his associates are credible, but the story did not come from the club.0 -
If the door is ajar, then that is a significant development.
Woah! I need a lie down. I've experienced a strange emotion..... I think that it may possibly have been, no.......surely? It can't be optimism can it?
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Happy Christmas to you too.i_b_b_o_r_g said:And what about the 'goodwill'
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Did Varney sell Murray into a Ponzi scheme to create such a rift?
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I would suspect that if the Belgians wanted to see any sort of a return they'd need to start a bidding war.Airman Brown said:
Not to my knowledge. Murray will be desperate to prevent that.carly burn said:
Has Varney had a call?Airman Brown said:I think the key to understanding what has changed is that until recently the board and SMT had never accepted we would go down. To some extent RD may have been misled by the last two seasons into believing it was easier to get out of trouble than it is. Murray has been telling them that although fans would still be unhappy, there would be no protests without a small number of troublemakers stirring it - you can guess the names.
I can see why he might choose to think that, however that's not the real dynamic with CARD as many people involved in the organisation and decision-making would be unknown to him (and me until recently). Anyway, they thought they could contain the situation, results would turn and the problems would go away.
The Elliott interest has been around for at least four months. The point is that the door, which was firmly shut, is now at least ajar, and it is RD who has opened it. Everything else is negotiation. I don't know if Elliott and his associates are credible, but the story did not come from the club.4 -
This is a welcome development. Speaking for my family and of course myself - I am hoping we can buy our season tickets after all and support our team. Early days but a glimmer of hope.12
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Murray's stench is still strong.0
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Risking jumping in on racism for the second time in as many days (first time was not my brightest moment):bigstemarra said:Let him whom is without sin cast the first stone.....
This guy had just suffered a hammer blow of finding out that someone he trusted a great deal had taken him for a ride. I'd imagine all of us would be a tad emotional in the same circumstances. The idea that an ill advised choice of words uttered at a highly emotional and stressful moment should now define him in some way is simply ludicrous.
We are all human and we all make mistakes. If you can take the moral high ground and proclaim that you have never said anything ill advised in a moment of weakness, then I salute you. As for me, I'm not going to hold it against the fella given the circumstances.
It's a very good point, and I'm a big believer that one moment should not define a person.
Why this comes under a lot more scrutiny than almost any other comment is because, at least in my experience, it often belies a much deeper hatred. This is where I'll stop and say that I think being American impacts my perspective here, because it's a word with such deep historical and cultural context here (I know it's not something exclusive to America, but I think it runs deeper here).
Lastly, and most importantly, as a white man, I'm not comfortable telling a black person that "you can't use that word." That would somewhat mimic the power dynamic that historically makes it such a poignant insult.6 -
Slater & Jimensz started to try and flog the club at £45 million and eventually settled at £18 million. Different kind of pressure on Duchatelet but can't see him selling at the price of £38 million. Its an opening stance as Red Midland says. I am not sure if Duchatelet would want to be on the hook and still involved for £20 million dependent on someone else's strategy working (which would then reinforce how badly his own strategy had worked).Redmidland said:I've been giving this some thought overnight. The £38 million is maybe the opening stance, negotiations then take place and a more realistic price is agreed, but with add-ons. The PE or RV consortia buy the club for £20m upfront and then as the club, hopefully, rises again then RD will get extra cash, which eventually could rise to the total of £38m when/if we hit the Prem league, as a separate part of the negotiations they could then add extra over and above the £38m when we get CAT 1 status on the training ground, for example and extra 10% (£3.8m). This would mean that in potentially as little as 2 seasons time with CAT 1 and the club in the rich land of the Prem, RD could get a total return of £41.8m. In the meantime he relinquishes his loans to the club from Strapix, gets £20m now and that allows the new owners to invest in the playing squad in order to achieve promotion as soon as possible.
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The thing about that 'N' word is that it makes a difference who is calling the name. It was not wise for Elliot to use it, but from one black person to another is different, from the use of it as a perjorative term from a white person to a black person. It is all about the different positions of status and power that a person is in.SDAddick said:
Risking jumping in on racism for the second time in as many days (first time was not my brightest moment):bigstemarra said:Let him whom is without sin cast the first stone.....
This guy had just suffered a hammer blow of finding out that someone he trusted a great deal had taken him for a ride. I'd imagine all of us would be a tad emotional in the same circumstances. The idea that an ill advised choice of words uttered at a highly emotional and stressful moment should now define him in some way is simply ludicrous.
We are all human and we all make mistakes. If you can take the moral high ground and proclaim that you have never said anything ill advised in a moment of weakness, then I salute you. As for me, I'm not going to hold it against the fella given the circumstances.
It's a very good point, and I'm a big believer that one moment should not define a person.
Why this comes under a lot more scrutiny than almost any other comment is because, at least in my experience, it often belies a much deeper hatred. This is where I'll stop and say that I think being American impacts my perspective here, because it's a word with such deep historical and cultural context here (I know it's not something exclusive to America, but I think it runs deeper here).
Lastly, and most importantly, as a white man, I'm not comfortable telling a black person that "you can't use that word." That would somewhat mimic the power dynamic that historically makes it such a poignant insult.
Kris Rock, Black comedian did a famous routine on Black people vs Niggaz that will help with how Elliot was using it against Rufus. Still being the political type Elliot should have known it was not a bright thing to do. Also a reminder to be cautious what you write / text / post especially if you are in a public position. Malky McKay take note.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4 5 -
Not really up to him though is it. As far as a sale is concerned wouldn't Duchatelet be a lot more hands on instead of leaving it to his F**wit management team?Airman Brown said:
Not to my knowledge. Murray will be desperate to prevent that.carly burn said:
Has Varney had a call?Airman Brown said:I think the key to understanding what has changed is that until recently the board and SMT had never accepted we would go down. To some extent RD may have been misled by the last two seasons into believing it was easier to get out of trouble than it is. Murray has been telling them that although fans would still be unhappy, there would be no protests without a small number of troublemakers stirring it - you can guess the names.
I can see why he might choose to think that, however that's not the real dynamic with CARD as many people involved in the organisation and decision-making would be unknown to him (and me until recently). Anyway, they thought they could contain the situation, results would turn and the problems would go away.
The Elliott interest has been around for at least four months. The point is that the door, which was firmly shut, is now at least ajar, and it is RD who has opened it. Everything else is negotiation. I don't know if Elliott and his associates are credible, but the story did not come from the club.0 -
That Chris Rock video is brilliant....very funny1
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I agree but I suspect he has painted a picture of Varney - and his previous involvement with the club - that few who were there would recognise.carly burn said:
Not really up to him though is it. As far as a sale is concerned wouldn't Duchatelet be a lot more hands on instead of leaving it to his F**wit management team?Airman Brown said:
Not to my knowledge. Murray will be desperate to prevent that.carly burn said:
Has Varney had a call?Airman Brown said:I think the key to understanding what has changed is that until recently the board and SMT had never accepted we would go down. To some extent RD may have been misled by the last two seasons into believing it was easier to get out of trouble than it is. Murray has been telling them that although fans would still be unhappy, there would be no protests without a small number of troublemakers stirring it - you can guess the names.
I can see why he might choose to think that, however that's not the real dynamic with CARD as many people involved in the organisation and decision-making would be unknown to him (and me until recently). Anyway, they thought they could contain the situation, results would turn and the problems would go away.
The Elliott interest has been around for at least four months. The point is that the door, which was firmly shut, is now at least ajar, and it is RD who has opened it. Everything else is negotiation. I don't know if Elliott and his associates are credible, but the story did not come from the club.1
