Will Trump become President?
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That's how I read it mate. Astonishing double standards.ValleyGary said:just so we are clear on this, acting like a racist cunt is only acceptable when you've got real reason to be?
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Yeah agree that there is overreaction everywhere you look. But the KKK is a very real organisation, hard to know how big it is -- we're not only talking about the odd random nutjobValleyGary said:
A few brain dead dickheads will use yesterday's results as fuel to act like racists arse holes, but the complete overreaction on social media yesterday was insane. It was like people trying to outdo each other on the extreme scale, almost begging for retweets.redlanered said:
Interesting use of the word 'mostly' - not sure how you have measured that, but regardless, you are implying that at least some of it is not made-up.ValleyGary said:
We heard the same stuff about foreigners being strung up in the street after Brexit results, mostly complete fabricated bollocksSDAddick said:
Those crazy college kids and their completely unreasonable fears of being the victims of hate crimes.ValleyGary said:
Yeah pretty much, almost as strange as seeing college students crying and needing counceling. The last 24 hours all very OTT.SDAddick said:
I don't know if I'd go with 95%, but I do largely agree. That whole "desire for change" thing sure does feel a bit odd though, don't you think?ValleyGary said:
Absolutely. He's a cretin, like 95% of the rest of the people involved in politics, which is why he will fit in well.bobmunro said:What is really disturbing for me is the way this thread is turning into the Brexit thread - all 'you're a racist' and 'no I'm not, you're a lefty Guardian reader'.
Forget politics, forget views on immigration or the people who have been left behind, forget left or right, forget revolution, forget the little man speaking, forget working-class, middle-class, upper-class, under-class, forget democracy, forget totalitarianism and so on ......
Remember, Trump is a liar and cheat, a business failure, a chancer who took his moment, an altogether despicable individual. He's in it for the little man queuing up on food lines in the rust belt? Is he bollox.
I think here in the UK these incidents are so far mercifully rare (which is not to say that we should ignore it all..), but you never know in the USofA. This is a place that really did lynch people (in my lifetime) just for their skin colour. And they have guns... and significant concentrations of real whackos in pockets.
I hope your words don't come back to haunt us VG...3 -
No we didn't.ValleyGary said:
We heard the same stuff about foreigners being strung up in the street after Brexit results, mostly complete fabricated bollocksSDAddick said:
Those crazy college kids and their completely unreasonable fears of being the victims of hate crimes.ValleyGary said:
Yeah pretty much, almost as strange as seeing college students crying and needing counceling. The last 24 hours all very OTT.SDAddick said:
I don't know if I'd go with 95%, but I do largely agree. That whole "desire for change" thing sure does feel a bit odd though, don't you think?ValleyGary said:
Absolutely. He's a cretin, like 95% of the rest of the people involved in politics, which is why he will fit in well.bobmunro said:What is really disturbing for me is the way this thread is turning into the Brexit thread - all 'you're a racist' and 'no I'm not, you're a lefty Guardian reader'.
Forget politics, forget views on immigration or the people who have been left behind, forget left or right, forget revolution, forget the little man speaking, forget working-class, middle-class, upper-class, under-class, forget democracy, forget totalitarianism and so on ......
Remember, Trump is a liar and cheat, a business failure, a chancer who took his moment, an altogether despicable individual. He's in it for the little man queuing up on food lines in the rust belt? Is he bollox.
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I'd say it was never acceptable, but if there's an oppressor/oppressed relationship (as there appears to be when it comes to race in the US for example) it's certainly differentValleyGary said:just so we are clear on this, acting like a racist cunt is only acceptable when you've got real reason to be?
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Anyway, congratulations to Mr Trump, the President-elect.
I wonder if he has any words on the rumours (he started) that the election was going to be rigged..?
46.9% didn't vote
25.6% voted Clinton
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An excellent articulation. Death threats are never okay. It's also important to understand that we have race relations in this country that, as I've pointed out numerous times on here, certain people feel more vulnerable today than they ever have before. As redlanered pointed out, the KKK (and other white supremacists/militia groups) are real and organized. And right now they feel empowered.McBobbin said:
I'd say it was never acceptable, but if there's an oppressor/oppressed relationship (as there appears to be when it comes to race in the US for example) it's certainly differentValleyGary said:just so we are clear on this, acting like a racist cunt is only acceptable when you've got real reason to be?
Right, I need a break from this and need to concentrate on work anyway so going to shut off social media and the forum for a bit. Be nice to each other. Remember we're all humans and a lot of us, of all races, ethnicities, religions, and genders are scared for completely understandable reasons.8 -
You should get into politics RTC!RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Yeah the ignorant tarts!!!Leuth said:Of course it doesn't concern me. The people tweeting that stuff do so from a position of perceived (and often real) disadvantage and I don't believe for a second that they're after a white-free society. It's a question of tone and societal positioning. >Notice how most of the tweeters are female?>
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Someone below asked this... What is the alt right?0
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No, greedy employers drive down wages, it's their choice. Even then studies suggest the impact is minimal, though I do sympathise with Mr ME14s situation I would like to add.ME14addick said:
My husband is actually semi- retired. He did have an engineering job for which he served an apprenticeship but the industry he was in no longer has any businesses down here.shine166 said:
With the greatest respect, it's not a Romanians fault that your old man is doing kP work in his 60s. There's part of a generation that presumed they had jobs for life so didn't bother learning skills or trades. My stepdad is that Same and finds himself scanning bags at a airport or doing delivery work.ME14addick said:People in this country ARE being affected by immigration - my husband has experience of this working in the kitchen of a pub/restaurant.
Before Romanians were allowed free access, my husband was paid well above the minimum wage, as it was difficult to get people to do the job. By paying above the minimum wage they were able to recruit British workers.
When Romanians were allowed free access to the labour market my husband's wages did not increase until it was forced on his employer with this year's increase.
For 4 years he had no wage increase. The Romanians were happy to work for minimum wage and whenever anyone left, one of their friends or family was waiting for a job and it wasn't necessary to advertise. Consequently a British worker had no chance of being employed.
All the other employees doing the same work as my husband speak very little English and when they work together, speak their own language and my husband feels like a foreigner in his own country.
At the age of 62 it is not easy for him to find alternative employment so he is stuck with it for now.
The point of my post is to show that cheap eastern european labour does drive down wages and affect British workers.
https://www.ft.com/content/0deacb52-178b-11e6-9d98-00386a18e39d
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-rightMcBobbin said:Someone below asked this... What is the alt right?
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Well it cheered me up anyway. #StaypuftForPresident2020.3 -
Wonder how many of the protestors didn't vote0
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Thanks! Doesn't give much info about their size and influence. I just heard them mentioned a few timesSELR_addicks said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-rightMcBobbin said:Someone below asked this... What is the alt right?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37899026McBobbin said:
Thanks! Doesn't give much info about their size and influence. I just heard them mentioned a few timesSELR_addicks said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-rightMcBobbin said:Someone below asked this... What is the alt right?
Here's a BBC article about it. It's difficult to be able to tell its size as it's mostly online based.0 -
They sound like a total and utter bunch of twerpsSELR_addicks said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37899026McBobbin said:
Thanks! Doesn't give much info about their size and influence. I just heard them mentioned a few timesSELR_addicks said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-rightMcBobbin said:Someone below asked this... What is the alt right?
Here's a BBC article about it. It's difficult to be able to tell its size as it's mostly online based.2 -
For the most part it's the G.I.F.T (Greater Internet Fuckwit Theory) principle given a new form - essentially a bunch of disillusioned (primarily young) people (primarily male) with some seriously weird and unhealthy ideas of entitlement and a desire to actively cause offence (which they believe, incorrectly, to be integral to ''free speech'') manage to track down and communicate with others of a similar mindset and the whole thing becomes self-perpetuating. There's no moderation, only the most extreme of outlooks becoming accepted as the norm. It's essentially the American answer to Britain First, but with America being generally more right-wing than the UK it seems to have taken on far more impetus than B.F has managed on our side of the pond.McBobbin said:
They sound like a total and utter bunch of twerpsSELR_addicks said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37899026McBobbin said:
Thanks! Doesn't give much info about their size and influence. I just heard them mentioned a few timesSELR_addicks said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-rightMcBobbin said:Someone below asked this... What is the alt right?
Here's a BBC article about it. It's difficult to be able to tell its size as it's mostly online based.
It's pretty fucked up and should be held distinct and apart from ''mainstream'' Right ideas - which is where Trump may become unstuck. His rhetoric appeals to Alt-Right types but alienates the traditionalist Right, who are for the most part the dominant part of the Republican party.
A longer summary is: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37021991 (leaving aside preconceptions about BBC 'bias' it seems pretty accurate to what I've learned elsewhere.)
(please feel free to add/correct as necessary those who know better/more.)3 -
Your avatar still gives me the Pepe creeps btw
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I'd be inclined (based on no evidence) to believe that the alt right are just a shouty fringe with little actual impact, but a very easy target for the left, like islamic hate preachers are for anti immigration types. Trouble is that ideas like that, once out in the open can't be put back and are subsumed into the mainstream by osmosis.
What is needed nore than anything else is a greater emphasis on critical thinking skills. There's no filter on the interner, we will need to do that ourselves1 - Sponsored links:
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Pictures from Trump's meeting with Obama.
Looks like they are getting on well! LOL!
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I am not trying to be controversial in what I am saying, I wouldn't have voted for Trump... But....SELR_addicks said:
What is it about the left and not accepting democracy? I don't remember mass protests when Obama won (please correct me if I'm wrong!) and I don't believe that there would have been any issues had the Brexit referendum ended in a remain vote. I genuinely believe that the left are 100% sure they are right, and that anything that deviates from that are wrong and must be shot down.
Genuinely, I just don't understand why the left seem to hate democracy so much, and as I have said before, I believe it is because they "know" they are right.
If the right win, it is a disgrace and is the result of uneducated people being manipulated to vote against their own interests. The fools.
If the left win, it was the right decision and we can continue to progress humankind. Congratulations to all involved for advancing humankind.
But what about those left behind? A lot of them are white, a lot of them feel like they would have had jobs for life in previous generations. A lot of them feel like immigration has given them a raw deal. A lot of them voted Trump, I wouldn't have, I'm doing just fine thank you very much, but if I was in their situation, I would have.7 -
Various friends of my wife received racist abuse yesterday as well as some of their kids at school, all along the lines of 'go home' , 'you are getting deported' etc. Mother in law petrified about what's going to happen. So, while we're all debating over the rights and wrongs of Trump's election remember - this is some people's lives now, in the 21st century.6
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Sorry, but have to say, "this".LuckyReds said:I said it after similar reports back in June, and I'll say it again: those who are partaking in such actions were most likely doing so before.
No one woke up as an average human being, went to a polling station and voted Trump, and then walked out a flaming racist with a burning hatred in their heart. These feelings were there last week, and they're still there this week. No change.
Sure, the result may have provided them with a means of legitimising their views.. But is it not just as scary to think that those people were walking around in plain sight harbouring that hatred all along? I'd rather be able to see my foe than to contemplate whether they're sitting next to me, seething. Once you see the problem you can confront it.
Would a Hillary victory have seen these same individuals going around randomly hugging minorities and drawing hearts on random cars with lipstick?! Of course not. They'd just be the ones on Twitter now... But blaming blacks and Latinos for destroying their country. Just like the large number of "fuck white people" and "I hope white people die" tweets were posted yesterday. Are we going to confront those views too? Or are we going to label all Hillary supporters as racist and claim that they all hate white people? Hate begets hate.
It's classic causation vs correlation: America isn't in a state because Trump got voted in. Trump got voted in because America is in a state. A small percentage of people didn't become racist because they voted Trump, a small percentage of people voted Trump because they're racist. (Whilst I'm sure, like Brexit, a larger percentage voted for different reasons.)
What you're seeing is the result of social issues that were bubbling away for many years, not just since the election results came in. I've already said it once, but I'll reiterate: it's a traversty that those issues developed so intensely and were allowed to become so strong that this now happens. The blame for that doesn't lie in the past 12 months, it goes back much deeper.0 -
Various friends of my wife received racist abuse yesterday as well as some of their kids at school, all along the lines of 'go home' , 'you are getting deported' etc. Mother in law petrified about what's going to happen. So, while we're all debating over the rights and wrongs of Trump's election remember - this is some people's lives now, in the 21st century.3
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Apologies, but can you clarify please ? Are you saying Brits in Spain are being racially abused by the Spanish ?CharltonMadrid said:Various friends of my wife received racist abuse yesterday as well as some of their kids at school, all along the lines of 'go home' , 'you are getting deported' etc. Mother in law petrified about what's going to happen. So, while we're all debating over the rights and wrongs of Trump's election remember - this is some people's lives now, in the 21st century.
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Sorry, should have said - she is from New York.1
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Sorry, still don't understand. Are you saying your wife's friends in the US are getting abuse in the US ?CharltonMadrid said:Sorry, should have said - she is from New York.
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Nice to see Obama and trump cosying up today0
