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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,316
    Southbank said:

    Great article as an antidote to the weeping and wailing about Trump http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/a-trumpocalypse-oh-do-grow-up/18957#.WCSLpC2LTct

    That man is a verified prick. His article is predictably short of perspective or nuance.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,316
    WHO ARE THE REEEEAL FASCISTS?
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,981
    Here he goes....
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,350
    edited November 2016
    Leuth said:

    Southbank said:

    Great article as an antidote to the weeping and wailing about Trump http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/a-trumpocalypse-oh-do-grow-up/18957#.WCSLpC2LTct

    That man is a verified prick. His article is predictably short of perspective or nuance.
    lol .. who, other than yourself, has verified the author as a 'prick' .. you're an eloquent and obviously well read person .. but statements like this make you appear ridiculous
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,316

    Here he goes....

    I was paraphrasing the august commentator
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467

    Leuth said:

    Southbank said:

    Great article as an antidote to the weeping and wailing about Trump http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/a-trumpocalypse-oh-do-grow-up/18957#.WCSLpC2LTct

    That man is a verified prick. His article is predictably short of perspective or nuance.
    lol .. who, other than yourself, has verified the author as a 'prick' ..
    "Broadly libertarian,[citation needed] he considers efforts to combat racism in football to be "a class war" driven by "elites' utter incomprehension of the mass passions that get aired at football matches".[4] Referring to high-profile cases of racial abuse and alleged racial abuse, he argued, "these incidents and alleged incidents are not racism at all, in the true meaning of the word", due to the levels of passion involved, describing anti-racism efforts as "a pretty poisonous desire to police the ... working classes".[4]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_O'Neill_(journalist)

    Thinks it's alright to be racist if you're really passionate about it, which I would argue is the scariest type of racism.
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,350
    SDAddick said:

    Leuth said:

    Southbank said:

    Great article as an antidote to the weeping and wailing about Trump http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/a-trumpocalypse-oh-do-grow-up/18957#.WCSLpC2LTct

    That man is a verified prick. His article is predictably short of perspective or nuance.
    lol .. who, other than yourself, has verified the author as a 'prick' ..
    "Broadly libertarian,[citation needed] he considers efforts to combat racism in football to be "a class war" driven by "elites' utter incomprehension of the mass passions that get aired at football matches".[4] Referring to high-profile cases of racial abuse and alleged racial abuse, he argued, "these incidents and alleged incidents are not racism at all, in the true meaning of the word", due to the levels of passion involved, describing anti-racism efforts as "a pretty poisonous desire to police the ... working classes".[4]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_O'Neill_(journalist)

    Thinks it's alright to be racist if you're really passionate about it, which I would argue is the scariest type of racism.
    I expect better from you .. again this is opinion and not 'verification' .. seems that O'Neill could be described as a 'left wing fascist' , an apologist for the excesses of the wonderful proletariat working classes.. rather what I would expect from an erstwhile contributor to the late unlamented comic: 'Marxism Today'
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,846
    SDAddick said:

    Leuth said:

    Southbank said:

    Great article as an antidote to the weeping and wailing about Trump http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/a-trumpocalypse-oh-do-grow-up/18957#.WCSLpC2LTct

    That man is a verified prick. His article is predictably short of perspective or nuance.
    lol .. who, other than yourself, has verified the author as a 'prick' ..
    "Broadly libertarian,[citation needed] he considers efforts to combat racism in football to be "a class war" driven by "elites' utter incomprehension of the mass passions that get aired at football matches".[4] Referring to high-profile cases of racial abuse and alleged racial abuse, he argued, "these incidents and alleged incidents are not racism at all, in the true meaning of the word", due to the levels of passion involved, describing anti-racism efforts as "a pretty poisonous desire to police the ... working classes".[4]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_O'Neill_(journalist)

    Thinks it's alright to be racist if you're really passionate about it, which I would argue is the scariest type of racism.
    Yes, I'm pretty sure the KKK are racists with a passion.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,316
    brendan o'neill prick makes for a lovely Google
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,846
    What is really disturbing for me is the way this thread is turning into the Brexit thread - all 'you're a racist' and 'no I'm not, you're a lefty Guardian reader'.

    Forget politics, forget views on immigration or the people who have been left behind, forget left or right, forget revolution, forget the little man speaking, forget working-class, middle-class, upper-class, under-class, forget democracy, forget totalitarianism and so on ......

    Remember, Trump is a liar and cheat, a business failure, a chancer who took his moment, an altogether despicable individual. He's in it for the little man queuing up on food lines in the rust belt? Is he bollox.
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  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,981
    bobmunro said:

    What is really disturbing for me is the way this thread is turning into the Brexit thread - all 'you're a racist' and 'no I'm not, you're a lefty Guardian reader'.

    Forget politics, forget views on immigration or the people who have been left behind, forget left or right, forget revolution, forget the little man speaking, forget working-class, middle-class, upper-class, under-class, forget democracy, forget totalitarianism and so on ......

    Remember, Trump is a liar and cheat, a business failure, a chancer who took his moment, an altogether despicable individual. He's in it for the little man queuing up on food lines in the rust belt? Is he bollox.

    Absolutely. He's a cretin, like 95% of the rest of the people involved in politics, which is why he will fit in well.
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467

    SDAddick said:

    Leuth said:

    Southbank said:

    Great article as an antidote to the weeping and wailing about Trump http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/a-trumpocalypse-oh-do-grow-up/18957#.WCSLpC2LTct

    That man is a verified prick. His article is predictably short of perspective or nuance.
    lol .. who, other than yourself, has verified the author as a 'prick' ..
    "Broadly libertarian,[citation needed] he considers efforts to combat racism in football to be "a class war" driven by "elites' utter incomprehension of the mass passions that get aired at football matches".[4] Referring to high-profile cases of racial abuse and alleged racial abuse, he argued, "these incidents and alleged incidents are not racism at all, in the true meaning of the word", due to the levels of passion involved, describing anti-racism efforts as "a pretty poisonous desire to police the ... working classes".[4]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_O'Neill_(journalist)

    Thinks it's alright to be racist if you're really passionate about it, which I would argue is the scariest type of racism.
    I expect better from you .. again this is opinion and not 'verification' .. seems that O'Neill could be described as a 'left wing fascist' , an apologist for the excesses of the wonderful proletariat working classes.. rather what I would expect from an erstwhile contributor to the late unlamented comic: 'Marxism Today'

    Okay, I don't know what "verification" you were looking for, but that's neither here nor there. I'm comfortable going with the opinion that anyone that believes racism is okay if it's passionate is a prick.

  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,846
    SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    Leuth said:

    Southbank said:

    Great article as an antidote to the weeping and wailing about Trump http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/a-trumpocalypse-oh-do-grow-up/18957#.WCSLpC2LTct

    That man is a verified prick. His article is predictably short of perspective or nuance.
    lol .. who, other than yourself, has verified the author as a 'prick' ..
    "Broadly libertarian,[citation needed] he considers efforts to combat racism in football to be "a class war" driven by "elites' utter incomprehension of the mass passions that get aired at football matches".[4] Referring to high-profile cases of racial abuse and alleged racial abuse, he argued, "these incidents and alleged incidents are not racism at all, in the true meaning of the word", due to the levels of passion involved, describing anti-racism efforts as "a pretty poisonous desire to police the ... working classes".[4]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_O'Neill_(journalist)

    Thinks it's alright to be racist if you're really passionate about it, which I would argue is the scariest type of racism.
    I expect better from you .. again this is opinion and not 'verification' .. seems that O'Neill could be described as a 'left wing fascist' , an apologist for the excesses of the wonderful proletariat working classes.. rather what I would expect from an erstwhile contributor to the late unlamented comic: 'Marxism Today'

    Okay, I don't know what "verification" you were looking for, but that's neither here nor there. I'm comfortable going with the opinion that anyone that believes racism is okay if it's passionate is a prick.

    I will verify that statement.
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467

    bobmunro said:

    What is really disturbing for me is the way this thread is turning into the Brexit thread - all 'you're a racist' and 'no I'm not, you're a lefty Guardian reader'.

    Forget politics, forget views on immigration or the people who have been left behind, forget left or right, forget revolution, forget the little man speaking, forget working-class, middle-class, upper-class, under-class, forget democracy, forget totalitarianism and so on ......

    Remember, Trump is a liar and cheat, a business failure, a chancer who took his moment, an altogether despicable individual. He's in it for the little man queuing up on food lines in the rust belt? Is he bollox.

    Absolutely. He's a cretin, like 95% of the rest of the people involved in politics, which is why he will fit in well.
    I don't know if I'd go with 95%, but I do largely agree. That whole "desire for change" thing sure does feel a bit odd though, don't you think?
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,316
    Leuth said:

    Some questions:

    1. What is 'the end of social engineering'?

    2. How can you constitutionally end political correctness? Wouldn't that be like ending politeness, or slang? I suppose you can term certain phrases hate-crimes. Is that what you'd do?

    3. How secure will the borders be? And how to enforce it?

    4. What law and what order?

    5. Indigenous has a few grey areas. How do you define it?

    6. Given our media is already largely right-wing, do you mean that fair and balanced means greater left-wing presence? Don't answer this one.

    7. How do you 'teach conservatism'? And how are schools currently 'teaching socialism'?

    Someone gonna take this btw?
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,312
    Leuth said:

    Leuth said:

    Some questions:

    1. What is 'the end of social engineering'?

    2. How can you constitutionally end political correctness? Wouldn't that be like ending politeness, or slang? I suppose you can term certain phrases hate-crimes. Is that what you'd do?

    3. How secure will the borders be? And how to enforce it?

    4. What law and what order?

    5. Indigenous has a few grey areas. How do you define it?

    6. Given our media is already largely right-wing, do you mean that fair and balanced means greater left-wing presence? Don't answer this one.

    7. How do you 'teach conservatism'? And how are schools currently 'teaching socialism'?

    Someone gonna take this btw?
    No, turn it in.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,316
    J BLOCK said:

    Leuth said:

    Leuth said:

    Some questions:

    1. What is 'the end of social engineering'?

    2. How can you constitutionally end political correctness? Wouldn't that be like ending politeness, or slang? I suppose you can term certain phrases hate-crimes. Is that what you'd do?

    3. How secure will the borders be? And how to enforce it?

    4. What law and what order?

    5. Indigenous has a few grey areas. How do you define it?

    6. Given our media is already largely right-wing, do you mean that fair and balanced means greater left-wing presence? Don't answer this one.

    7. How do you 'teach conservatism'? And how are schools currently 'teaching socialism'?

    Someone gonna take this btw?
    No, turn it in.
    But if the ideal society isn't explained then I'll have to assume the worst, and we all know what that means
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,316
    Like, I'm asking for clarity. Turn in what? Should I just not ask for clarification on how society should be run? And blindly accept what's put before me?
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,981
    SDAddick said:

    bobmunro said:

    What is really disturbing for me is the way this thread is turning into the Brexit thread - all 'you're a racist' and 'no I'm not, you're a lefty Guardian reader'.

    Forget politics, forget views on immigration or the people who have been left behind, forget left or right, forget revolution, forget the little man speaking, forget working-class, middle-class, upper-class, under-class, forget democracy, forget totalitarianism and so on ......

    Remember, Trump is a liar and cheat, a business failure, a chancer who took his moment, an altogether despicable individual. He's in it for the little man queuing up on food lines in the rust belt? Is he bollox.

    Absolutely. He's a cretin, like 95% of the rest of the people involved in politics, which is why he will fit in well.
    I don't know if I'd go with 95%, but I do largely agree. That whole "desire for change" thing sure does feel a bit odd though, don't you think?
    Yeah pretty much, almost as strange as seeing college students crying and needing counceling. The last 24 hours all very OTT.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,679
    Leuth said:

    Like, I'm asking for clarity. Turn in what? Should I just not ask for clarification on how society should be run? And blindly accept what's put before me?

    I give you ten out of ten for persistence
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  • rananegra
    rananegra Posts: 3,689

    SDAddick said:

    Leuth said:

    Southbank said:

    Great article as an antidote to the weeping and wailing about Trump http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/a-trumpocalypse-oh-do-grow-up/18957#.WCSLpC2LTct

    That man is a verified prick. His article is predictably short of perspective or nuance.
    lol .. who, other than yourself, has verified the author as a 'prick' ..
    "Broadly libertarian,[citation needed] he considers efforts to combat racism in football to be "a class war" driven by "elites' utter incomprehension of the mass passions that get aired at football matches".[4] Referring to high-profile cases of racial abuse and alleged racial abuse, he argued, "these incidents and alleged incidents are not racism at all, in the true meaning of the word", due to the levels of passion involved, describing anti-racism efforts as "a pretty poisonous desire to police the ... working classes".[4]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_O'Neill_(journalist)

    Thinks it's alright to be racist if you're really passionate about it, which I would argue is the scariest type of racism.
    I expect better from you .. again this is opinion and not 'verification' .. seems that O'Neill could be described as a 'left wing fascist' , an apologist for the excesses of the wonderful proletariat working classes.. rather what I would expect from an erstwhile contributor to the late unlamented comic: 'Marxism Today'
    Brendan O Neill used to edit Living Marxism which was the mag of the Revolutionary Communist Party before it morphed into professional contrarians of Spiked. RCP were Trotskyists. They were strange even by the standards of the far left - I remember arguing with them on the Poll tax demo and they weren't even really against it.
    Marxism Today was linked to a faction of the old Communist Party and most of its key figures ended up Blairites. I think Mandelson was one of them. If there's two groups who passionately hate each other on the left it's Trots and Stalinists. More than the differences they might have with the right...

    I don't like the cult-like approach of Spiked (and it's sports correspondent is Palace) but that piece isn't bad. They do regularly say things just to wind people up, though. (Unusual I know).

  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467

    SDAddick said:

    bobmunro said:

    What is really disturbing for me is the way this thread is turning into the Brexit thread - all 'you're a racist' and 'no I'm not, you're a lefty Guardian reader'.

    Forget politics, forget views on immigration or the people who have been left behind, forget left or right, forget revolution, forget the little man speaking, forget working-class, middle-class, upper-class, under-class, forget democracy, forget totalitarianism and so on ......

    Remember, Trump is a liar and cheat, a business failure, a chancer who took his moment, an altogether despicable individual. He's in it for the little man queuing up on food lines in the rust belt? Is he bollox.

    Absolutely. He's a cretin, like 95% of the rest of the people involved in politics, which is why he will fit in well.
    I don't know if I'd go with 95%, but I do largely agree. That whole "desire for change" thing sure does feel a bit odd though, don't you think?
    Yeah pretty much, almost as strange as seeing college students crying and needing counceling. The last 24 hours all very OTT.
    Those crazy college kids and their completely unreasonable fears of being the victims of hate crimes.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,981
    SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    bobmunro said:

    What is really disturbing for me is the way this thread is turning into the Brexit thread - all 'you're a racist' and 'no I'm not, you're a lefty Guardian reader'.

    Forget politics, forget views on immigration or the people who have been left behind, forget left or right, forget revolution, forget the little man speaking, forget working-class, middle-class, upper-class, under-class, forget democracy, forget totalitarianism and so on ......

    Remember, Trump is a liar and cheat, a business failure, a chancer who took his moment, an altogether despicable individual. He's in it for the little man queuing up on food lines in the rust belt? Is he bollox.

    Absolutely. He's a cretin, like 95% of the rest of the people involved in politics, which is why he will fit in well.
    I don't know if I'd go with 95%, but I do largely agree. That whole "desire for change" thing sure does feel a bit odd though, don't you think?
    Yeah pretty much, almost as strange as seeing college students crying and needing counceling. The last 24 hours all very OTT.
    Those crazy college kids and their completely unreasonable fears of being the victims of hate crimes.
    We heard the same stuff about foreigners being strung up in the street after Brexit results, mostly complete fabricated bollocks
  • Southbank
    Southbank Posts: 5,252
    SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    bobmunro said:

    What is really disturbing for me is the way this thread is turning into the Brexit thread - all 'you're a racist' and 'no I'm not, you're a lefty Guardian reader'.

    Forget politics, forget views on immigration or the people who have been left behind, forget left or right, forget revolution, forget the little man speaking, forget working-class, middle-class, upper-class, under-class, forget democracy, forget totalitarianism and so on ......

    Remember, Trump is a liar and cheat, a business failure, a chancer who took his moment, an altogether despicable individual. He's in it for the little man queuing up on food lines in the rust belt? Is he bollox.

    Absolutely. He's a cretin, like 95% of the rest of the people involved in politics, which is why he will fit in well.
    I don't know if I'd go with 95%, but I do largely agree. That whole "desire for change" thing sure does feel a bit odd though, don't you think?
    Yeah pretty much, almost as strange as seeing college students crying and needing counceling. The last 24 hours all very OTT.
    Those crazy college kids and their completely unreasonable fears of being the victims of hate crimes.
    Although sometimes called the snowflake generation I do not think students are quite yet categorised as a racial minority.
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,846
    Southbank said:

    SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    bobmunro said:

    What is really disturbing for me is the way this thread is turning into the Brexit thread - all 'you're a racist' and 'no I'm not, you're a lefty Guardian reader'.

    Forget politics, forget views on immigration or the people who have been left behind, forget left or right, forget revolution, forget the little man speaking, forget working-class, middle-class, upper-class, under-class, forget democracy, forget totalitarianism and so on ......

    Remember, Trump is a liar and cheat, a business failure, a chancer who took his moment, an altogether despicable individual. He's in it for the little man queuing up on food lines in the rust belt? Is he bollox.

    Absolutely. He's a cretin, like 95% of the rest of the people involved in politics, which is why he will fit in well.
    I don't know if I'd go with 95%, but I do largely agree. That whole "desire for change" thing sure does feel a bit odd though, don't you think?
    Yeah pretty much, almost as strange as seeing college students crying and needing counceling. The last 24 hours all very OTT.
    Those crazy college kids and their completely unreasonable fears of being the victims of hate crimes.
    Although sometimes called the snowflake generation I do not think students are quite yet categorised as a racial minority.
    Did you bother to read the link?
  • IA
    IA Posts: 6,103
    Southbank said:

    SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    bobmunro said:

    What is really disturbing for me is the way this thread is turning into the Brexit thread - all 'you're a racist' and 'no I'm not, you're a lefty Guardian reader'.

    Forget politics, forget views on immigration or the people who have been left behind, forget left or right, forget revolution, forget the little man speaking, forget working-class, middle-class, upper-class, under-class, forget democracy, forget totalitarianism and so on ......

    Remember, Trump is a liar and cheat, a business failure, a chancer who took his moment, an altogether despicable individual. He's in it for the little man queuing up on food lines in the rust belt? Is he bollox.

    Absolutely. He's a cretin, like 95% of the rest of the people involved in politics, which is why he will fit in well.
    I don't know if I'd go with 95%, but I do largely agree. That whole "desire for change" thing sure does feel a bit odd though, don't you think?
    Yeah pretty much, almost as strange as seeing college students crying and needing counceling. The last 24 hours all very OTT.
    Those crazy college kids and their completely unreasonable fears of being the victims of hate crimes.
    Although sometimes called the snowflake generation I do not think students are quite yet categorised as a racial minority.
    Did you read the link?
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    edited November 2016

    SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    bobmunro said:

    What is really disturbing for me is the way this thread is turning into the Brexit thread - all 'you're a racist' and 'no I'm not, you're a lefty Guardian reader'.

    Forget politics, forget views on immigration or the people who have been left behind, forget left or right, forget revolution, forget the little man speaking, forget working-class, middle-class, upper-class, under-class, forget democracy, forget totalitarianism and so on ......

    Remember, Trump is a liar and cheat, a business failure, a chancer who took his moment, an altogether despicable individual. He's in it for the little man queuing up on food lines in the rust belt? Is he bollox.

    Absolutely. He's a cretin, like 95% of the rest of the people involved in politics, which is why he will fit in well.
    I don't know if I'd go with 95%, but I do largely agree. That whole "desire for change" thing sure does feel a bit odd though, don't you think?
    Yeah pretty much, almost as strange as seeing college students crying and needing counceling. The last 24 hours all very OTT.
    Those crazy college kids and their completely unreasonable fears of being the victims of hate crimes.
    We heard the same stuff about foreigners being strung up in the street after Brexit results, mostly complete fabricated bollocks
    There are pictures on there. And this isn't Brexit, this is America. Where the KKK endorsed the campaign, and celebrated the victory of, the current President.

    @Southbank You're right, they're probably not all minorities. Some of them may just have friends or partners or family who are minorities, and they're scared for their friends. Some of them might be white and gay, and they're scared for themselves. Some of them, like me, might be fair skinned and blue eyed and Jewish, and notice that there are an awful lot of Swastikas going around...

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  • redlanered
    redlanered Posts: 2,195

    SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    bobmunro said:

    What is really disturbing for me is the way this thread is turning into the Brexit thread - all 'you're a racist' and 'no I'm not, you're a lefty Guardian reader'.

    Forget politics, forget views on immigration or the people who have been left behind, forget left or right, forget revolution, forget the little man speaking, forget working-class, middle-class, upper-class, under-class, forget democracy, forget totalitarianism and so on ......

    Remember, Trump is a liar and cheat, a business failure, a chancer who took his moment, an altogether despicable individual. He's in it for the little man queuing up on food lines in the rust belt? Is he bollox.

    Absolutely. He's a cretin, like 95% of the rest of the people involved in politics, which is why he will fit in well.
    I don't know if I'd go with 95%, but I do largely agree. That whole "desire for change" thing sure does feel a bit odd though, don't you think?
    Yeah pretty much, almost as strange as seeing college students crying and needing counceling. The last 24 hours all very OTT.
    Those crazy college kids and their completely unreasonable fears of being the victims of hate crimes.
    We heard the same stuff about foreigners being strung up in the street after Brexit results, mostly complete fabricated bollocks
    Interesting use of the word 'mostly' - not sure how you have measured that, but regardless, you are implying that at least some of it is not made-up.

    I think here in the UK these incidents are so far mercifully rare (which is not to say that we should ignore it all..), but you never know in the USofA. This is a place that really did lynch people (in my lifetime) just for their skin colour. And they have guns... and significant concentrations of real whackos in pockets.

    I hope your words don't come back to haunt us VG...
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,741
    Leuth said:

    Like, I'm asking for claritShould I just not ask for clarification on how society should be run? And blindly accept what's put before me?

    Leuth said:

    J BLOCK said:

    Leuth said:

    Leuth said:

    Some questions:

    1. What is 'the end of social engineering'?

    2. How can you constitutionally end political correctness? Wouldn't that be like ending politeness, or slang? I suppose you can term certain phrases hate-crimes. Is that what you'd do?

    3. How secure will the borders be? And how to enforce it?

    4. What law and what order?

    5. Indigenous has a few grey areas. How do you define it?

    6. Given our media is already largely right-wing, do you mean that fair and balanced means greater left-wing presence? Don't answer this one.

    7. How do you 'teach conservatism'? And how are schools currently 'teaching socialism'?

    Someone gonna take this btw?
    No, turn it in.
    But if the ideal society isn't explained then I'll have to assume the worst, and we all know what that means
    Give it a rest mate. Nobody gives a flying fuck for what you might assume.

    You are a proper string.

  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,981

    SDAddick said:

    SDAddick said:

    bobmunro said:

    What is really disturbing for me is the way this thread is turning into the Brexit thread - all 'you're a racist' and 'no I'm not, you're a lefty Guardian reader'.

    Forget politics, forget views on immigration or the people who have been left behind, forget left or right, forget revolution, forget the little man speaking, forget working-class, middle-class, upper-class, under-class, forget democracy, forget totalitarianism and so on ......

    Remember, Trump is a liar and cheat, a business failure, a chancer who took his moment, an altogether despicable individual. He's in it for the little man queuing up on food lines in the rust belt? Is he bollox.

    Absolutely. He's a cretin, like 95% of the rest of the people involved in politics, which is why he will fit in well.
    I don't know if I'd go with 95%, but I do largely agree. That whole "desire for change" thing sure does feel a bit odd though, don't you think?
    Yeah pretty much, almost as strange as seeing college students crying and needing counceling. The last 24 hours all very OTT.
    Those crazy college kids and their completely unreasonable fears of being the victims of hate crimes.
    We heard the same stuff about foreigners being strung up in the street after Brexit results, mostly complete fabricated bollocks
    Interesting use of the word 'mostly' - not sure how you have measured that, but regardless, you are implying that at least some of it is not made-up.

    I think here in the UK these incidents are so far mercifully rare (which is not to say that we should ignore it all..), but you never know in the USofA. This is a place that really did lynch people (in my lifetime) just for their skin colour. And they have guns... and significant concentrations of real whackos in pockets.

    I hope your words don't come back to haunt us VG...
    A few brain dead dickheads will use yesterday's results as fuel to act like racists arse holes, but the complete overreaction on social media yesterday was insane. It was like people trying to outdo each other on the extreme scale, almost begging for retweets.