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Muslims Like Us

Addickted
Addickted Posts: 19,456
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First of two 'fly on the wall' documentaries about a group of 10 muslims unknown to each other, brought together to live in a house for 10 days.

From the radical ex-boxer convert and the elderly English woman convert (who uses her Islamic faith as a framework for her life) to the flighty (and feisty) young Asian English girl to the gay twenty something who has a penchant for big hairy guys.

Fascinating and eye opening TV in complete contrast to the current views we get to see of Islam and its vast numbers of its followers. Some awful stories, some heart wrenching stories and some truly lovely generous and warm people on the show.

Looking forward to part 2 tonight.
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  • Siv_in_Norfolk
    Siv_in_Norfolk Posts: 4,057
    Nice one
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,194


    No, you must have got that wrong.
    Islam is inherently evil, as our various resident bigots experts will be along to point out shortly.
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,737
    edited December 2016
    I thought it was interesting too.

    I remember Anthony Small as a boxer......pretty decent fighter in his time but now appeared to be very much on the radical side of Islam.

    The same as most extreme factions of most religions.....I cannot understand how some people still try and apply 'values' of hundreds/thousands of years ago to modern life?!?



  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    edited December 2016
    i found it interesting but working with a few muslin people, that show wasn't an accurate view of Muslims in this country imo. not a bigot but just thought it wasn't very accurate, for a start and i can quote him the guy at work the other week out on lunch saw 2 gay guys and said they should be thrown from the highest point, and hes very moderate Algerian, who comes to the pub after work admittedly doesn't drink. wont be watching part 2.
  • stevexreeve
    stevexreeve Posts: 1,385
    palarsehater said:

    i found it interesting but working with a few muslin people, that show wasn't an accurate view of Muslims in this country imo. not a bigot but just thought it wasn't very accurate, for a start and i can quote him the guy at work the other week out on lunch saw 2 gay guys and said they should be thrown from the highest point, and hes very moderate Algerian, who comes to the pub after work admittedly doesn't drink. wont be watching part 2.

    So you're saying most Muslims are more like the average Christian?
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    the program was specifically about muslims and the islamic faith? it wasnt called faiths like us it was called muslims like us, of course there is homophobia in a way in other religions. although its not really homophobia its just a religous belief, but the bbc attempt at making out the other housemates were so shocked at what abdul haqq was saying is a load of bollocks i would estimate 70% of muslims in this country would be against gay relationships, again my opinion which im more than entitled to.
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    No - I think you'll find it was a documentary about 10 individuals, who happened to have one thing in common and that was their faith.

    One of the ten was overtly offended about a gay guy amongst them. But then he was overtly offended about virtually everything in the Western World.

    Perhaps the Government should return his passport and let him head off to fight fellow muslims who seem so intent on killing each other in the Middle East at the moment.

    Fairly sure tonight brings up the Shia/Sunni issues.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,033
    palarsehater said:

    i found it interesting but working with a few muslin people, that show wasn't an accurate view of Muslims in this country imo. not a bigot but just thought it wasn't very accurate, for a start and i can quote him the guy at work the other week out on lunch saw 2 gay guys and said they should be thrown from the highest point, and hes very moderate Algerian, who comes to the pub after work admittedly doesn't drink. wont be watching part 2.

    So a show which has taken the effort to reflect the broad spectrum of the Islamic faith isn't reflective of the Islam because "a guy from work" said gays should be killed?
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,218
    palarsehater said:

    the program was specifically about muslims and the islamic faith? it wasnt called faiths like us it was called muslims like us, of course there is homophobia in a way in other religions. although its not really homophobia its just a religous belief, but the bbc attempt at making out the other housemates were so shocked at what abdul haqq was saying is a load of bollocks i would estimate 70% of muslims in this country would be against gay relationships, again my opinion which im more than entitled to.

    You are entitled to your own opinion but you're not entitled to your own "facts".

    You're estimated that what 70% of Muslims think based on one bloke at work!

    SOME muslims are homophobic, some aren't. Either way it's still wrong and should be challenged.
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  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    apologies its 52% that is a poll that was carried out by channel 4 in 2015.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Never watched it because I find most 'fly on the wall' Gogglebox type programs like this quite contrived if I'm honest, no matter who they are focused on, the police, religions, large companies and corperations etc., if people know they're being filmed they won't be their true self, no matter who they are. The only way to get a true reflection is with hidden cameras imo. It's probably still good for the odd argument mind..
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,300
    edited December 2016
    Uboat said:

    No, you must have got that wrong.
    Islam is inherently evil, as our various resident bigots experts will be along to point out shortly.

    I dont think anyone believes that Islam as a whole is evil.

    Just sadly there is a large group of people who think their God is telling them that other people with different beliefs should be wiped out, which is similar to how Pope Urban told Christians to go on crusade and take back what wasnt theirs in 1096.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,300
    MillwallFan said:

    ForeverAddickted said:

    Uboat said:

    No, you must have got that wrong.
    Islam is inherently evil, as our various resident bigots experts will be along to point out shortly.

    I dont think anyone believes that Islam as a whole is evil.

    Just sadly there is a large group of people who think their God is telling them that other people with different beliefs should be wiped out, which is similar to how Pope Urban told Christians to go on crusade and take back what wasnt theirs in 1096.
    Which incidentally was the year Charlton last beat Millwall :wink:
    Yeah Yeah and you still claim it was because half the Millwall fans saw the opportunity to go abroad and have a free fight ;)
  • MillwallFan
    MillwallFan Posts: 3,347
    STEVEREEVE said:

    palarsehater said:

    i found it interesting but working with a few muslin people, that show wasn't an accurate view of Muslims in this country imo. not a bigot but just thought it wasn't very accurate, for a start and i can quote him the guy at work the other week out on lunch saw 2 gay guys and said they should be thrown from the highest point, and hes very moderate Algerian, who comes to the pub after work admittedly doesn't drink. wont be watching part 2.

    So you're saying most Muslims are more like the average Christian?

    I'm a liberal bloke and take people as I find them but come on mate , that is nothing like your 'average' Christian in 2016. Before anyone starts, I'm not tarring all muslims with the same brush, but Let's not think we can solve a problem by pretending there isn't one.
  • Daggs
    Daggs Posts: 1,344
    I watched ten minutes of it and saw a group of people who failed to use their human intelligence to see Islam is a load of mumbo-jumbo and idiotic nonsense, based around an entity that doesn't exist. Just like Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism etc.............
  • 3blokes
    3blokes Posts: 4,610
    MillwallFan said:

    ForeverAddickted said:

    Uboat said:

    No, you must have got that wrong.
    Islam is inherently evil, as our various resident bigots experts will be along to point out shortly.

    I dont think anyone believes that Islam as a whole is evil.

    Just sadly there is a large group of people who think their God is telling them that other people with different beliefs should be wiped out, which is similar to how Pope Urban told Christians to go on crusade and take back what wasnt theirs in 1096.
    Which incidentally was the year Charlton last beat Millwall :wink:

    I wanted to lol that but it somehow seemed dirty and wrong , you cheeky young scamp :neutral:
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,843
    They like us?

    That's jolly nice of them.
  • Greenie
    Greenie Posts: 9,172
    When Im reading about any religion whenever the word God (or other deity) is used, I find it amusing to replace it with Tooth Fairy or Santa, it gives it about as much realism.

    Its things like that which help me get through my day.
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  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,842
    Daggs said:

    I watched ten minutes of it and saw a group of people who failed to use their human intelligence to see Islam is a load of mumbo-jumbo and idiotic nonsense, based around an entity that doesn't exist. Just like Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism etc.............

    That's a whole different argument although I know some very intelligent people who have faith.

    Which entity in particular relates to Buddhism?
  • Daggs
    Daggs Posts: 1,344
    I think it's the flying giant spaghetti monster ??
  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,593
    Greenie said:

    When Im reading about any religion whenever the word God (or other deity) is used, I find it amusing to replace it with Tooth Fairy or Santa, it gives it about as much realism.

    Its things like that which help me get through my day.

    WHAAAT?
  • iainment
    iainment Posts: 8,039
    Daggs said:

    I think it's the flying giant spaghetti monster ??

    He boiled for our sins.
  • SheffieldRed
    SheffieldRed Posts: 3,772
    Daggs said:

    I think it's the flying giant spaghetti monster ??

    iainment said:

    Daggs said:

    I think it's the flying giant spaghetti monster ??

    He boiled for our sins.
    And delivered us from al dente
  • SheffieldRed
    SheffieldRed Posts: 3,772
    Greenie said:

    When Im reading about any religion whenever the word God (or other deity) is used, I find it amusing to replace it with Tooth Fairy or Santa, it gives it about as much realism.

    Its things like that which help me get through my day as a vicar

  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,781
    edited December 2016
    Greenie said:

    When Im reading about any religion whenever the word God (or other deity) is used, I find it amusing to replace it with Tooth Fairy or Santa, it gives it about as much realism.

    Its things like that which help me get through my day.

    I agree with Greenie on something. What's the world come to?

    Edit: apart from the missing apostrophes, of course.
  • Oh_Yoni_Boy
    Oh_Yoni_Boy Posts: 1,762
    AddicksAddict said:

    Greenie said:

    When Im reading about any religion whenever the word God (or other deity) is used, I find it amusing to replace it with Tooth Fairy or Santa, it gives it about as much realism.

    Its things like that which help me get through my day.

    I agree with Greenie on something. What's the world come to?

    Edit: apart from the missing apostrophes, of course.
    Enough of that, us from the Argument thread have been refreshing this one for hours.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    This entity that doesn't exist thing is interesting philosophically. There is a line of thought that says it exists if it is seated within people, and the existence is strengthened if enough people agree about it. It is added to by the reactive manifestations of that agreement in lifestyle, ceremony, clothing, language and the like.
    Few people question the existence of 'love', yet love itself exists because of the observances of the phenomena, not because it can be scientifically proved.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    seth plum said:

    This entity that doesn't exist thing is interesting philosophically. There is a line of thought that says it exists if it is seated within people, and the existence is strengthened if enough people agree about it. It is added to by the reactive manifestations of that agreement in lifestyle, ceremony, clothing, language and the like.
    Few people question the existence of 'love', yet love itself exists because of the observances of the phenomena, not because it can be scientifically proved.

    Fair comment.

    If only some / most religious folk accepted that their god does exist, but only in their heads, we'd all be better off.

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