The General Election - June 8th 2017

I actually broadly like the manifesto - some of Corbyn's more extreme desires (scrapping Trident/NATO) seem to have been reigned in. Ultimately I doubt it will make much difference as the Tory's have proved then can put just about anything in their manifesto and still romo home with a huge majority.

Labour looking to 'take back control' of the railways and parts of the energy sector.

Now where has that phrase been used before?

Got to say May has played a blinder calling this election.

Just watched the Liberals Tom Brake talking about their announcement of taking 50,000! Syrian refugees and Andrew Neil making him look like a silly school boy when it comes to explaining how it will be payed for and the logistics of it.

And that's the problem for the opposition parties.

Groups of ill equipped people on an incredibly short timescale trying to rustle up policies that are actually feasible and will make people actually vote for them.

And so to twenty years of Tory rule :-(

Bollox!!

the whole election thing is pissing me off, also the ridiculous comments by labour supporters the labour party want to improve nhs where as may wants to unban fox hunting - go away you fucktards, dont pick and choose which parts of the parties aims suit your agenda.

Chizz said:

palarsehater said:

the whole election thing is pissing me off, also the ridiculous comments by labour supporters the labour party want to improve nhs where as may wants to unban fox hunting - go away you fucktards, dont pick and choose which parts of the parties aims suit your agenda.

Do you not agree that the democratic process is enhanced when parties' manifesto pledges, aims and aspirations are forensically examined by their opponents?

but there not comparable, the lefties are still crying because of the referendum decision, there will probably be riots if may wins ( which i think she will do quite easily ) as the choices of corbyn or abbot are like trying to pick a bloke to punch you in the head.

palarsehater said:

Chizz said:

palarsehater said:

the whole election thing is pissing me off, also the ridiculous comments by labour supporters the labour party want to improve nhs where as may wants to unban fox hunting - go away you fucktards, dont pick and choose which parts of the parties aims suit your agenda.

Do you not agree that the democratic process is enhanced when parties' manifesto pledges, aims and aspirations are forensically examined by their opponents?

but there not comparable, the lefties are still crying because of the referendum decision, there will probably be riots if may wins ( which i think she will do quite easily ) as the choices of corbyn or abbot are like trying to pick a bloke to punch you in the head.

You should have answered with a question. Preferably one that's been asked scores of times before

palarsehater said:

the whole election thing is pissing me off, also the ridiculous comments by labour supporters the labour party want to improve nhs where as may wants to unban fox hunting - go away you fucktards, dont pick and choose which parts of the parties aims suit your agenda.

It's only taking the extremes to make a point. Labour are talking about things people actually care about. The Tories want to bring back some middle ages hobby that appeals to 1% of voters.

Besides that, none of their cuts to public spending, nor their cuts on corporation taxes, appeal to me either.

It's not just the bloody foxes that I care about, though it does a good job of highlighting how out of touch Theresa May is.

I would like to see some anger and agression in their broadcasts and approach too. It is anger which inspires people and there is lots to be angry about with this government.

Friend Or Defoe said:

Southendaddick said:

As with any manifesto, good things and bad.

There won't be many people on all sides of the political fence that wouldn't want more money spent on the NHS

The reason I haven't and probably never will vote labour is that they always try to turn it into some form of class war.

Admittedly I am in the 5% that they seem to hate and want to tax the hell out of but really, if you are on £80k a year with a housewife, 2/3 kids, mortgage, and live in the South East are you really 'rich'? I know I'm not.

I'm all for paying my way and every penny I earn is taxed as it should be but I can honestly see Labour taxing 50-60% of my salary if they get in and admittedly that may be a selfish view but I work hard to look after my family first and the rest of the country second.

If only we could decide where our taxes go because mine would go on NHS, education, defence rather than trade unions and worrying about bedroom tax

They've stated in the past that they would have increased income tax during the start of the recession but not know. Their aim is to get large corporations to pay their fare share, whether or not that's possible or benefits the economy is up for debate, personally I'm for that rather than going strong on the poor and weak and austerity. Perhaps if loop holes on the rich were closed we could afford to reduce the higher 50% rate on over £100k earners?

There isn't a 50% rate and not at £100k.

Earnings between £100k and £123k are taxed at 62% (inc 2% NI) earnings 123k - 150k back at 42%, over £150k 47%.

I'd love to know where these loop holes are. 99% of people employed above £80k are on PAYE.

They are in real danger of throwing the baby out with the bath water here, adding 20% to school fees will see a large number of people going back to state schools, I know 3 people who would have to do just that and that's before they earn even less due to higher taxation on their salaries.

You also have the migration effect, many jobs/industries don't have to be here. Where I work our 3 most senior Underwriters would go to Bermuda so say goodbye to probably £500,000-£1m in income tax revenue.

It's very much be careful what you wish for.

Rob7Lee said:

Friend Or Defoe said:

Southendaddick said:

As with any manifesto, good things and bad.

There won't be many people on all sides of the political fence that wouldn't want more money spent on the NHS

The reason I haven't and probably never will vote labour is that they always try to turn it into some form of class war.

Admittedly I am in the 5% that they seem to hate and want to tax the hell out of but really, if you are on £80k a year with a housewife, 2/3 kids, mortgage, and live in the South East are you really 'rich'? I know I'm not.

I'm all for paying my way and every penny I earn is taxed as it should be but I can honestly see Labour taxing 50-60% of my salary if they get in and admittedly that may be a selfish view but I work hard to look after my family first and the rest of the country second.

If only we could decide where our taxes go because mine would go on NHS, education, defence rather than trade unions and worrying about bedroom tax

They've stated in the past that they would have increased income tax during the start of the recession but not know. Their aim is to get large corporations to pay their fare share, whether or not that's possible or benefits the economy is up for debate, personally I'm for that rather than going strong on the poor and weak and austerity. Perhaps if loop holes on the rich were closed we could afford to reduce the higher 50% rate on over £100k earners?

There isn't a 50% rate and not at £100k.

Earnings between £100k and £123k are taxed at 62% (inc 2% NI) earnings 123k - 150k back at 42%, over £150k 47%.

I'd love to know where these loop holes are. 99% of people employed above £80k are on PAYE.

They are in real danger of throwing the baby out with the bath water here, adding 20% to school fees will see a large number of people going back to state schools, I know 3 people who would have to do just that and that's before they earn even less due to higher taxation on their salaries.

You also have the migration effect, many jobs/industries don't have to be here. Where I work our 3 most senior Underwriters would go to Bermuda so say goodbye to probably £500,000-£1m in income tax revenue.

It's very much be careful what you wish for.

My son is being educated in a state school as are most of our kids and I wouldn't have it any other way -more pupils of parents who care about their education will improve state education. My son is taking his GCSEs and I am very happy with the education he has received by the way.

Red_in_SE8 said:

https://853blog.com/2017/05/11/election-2017-greens-drop-out-of-eltham-fight-to-stop-conservatives/

The Greens' common sense on this stands in stark contrast to the Lib Dems (in particular) and Labour. This would make me far more likely to vote Green if they were the best candidate to beat the Tories, something I wasn't sure about a couple of weeks ago.

How long is it taking for McCluskey to get this bloody Labour manifesto out????

Jeez.

Chizz said:

palarsehater said:

the whole election thing is pissing me off, also the ridiculous comments by labour supporters the labour party want to improve nhs where as may wants to unban fox hunting - go away you fucktards, dont pick and choose which parts of the parties aims suit your agenda.

Do you not agree that the democratic process is enhanced when parties' manifesto pledges, aims and aspirations are forensically examined by their opponents?

Although it's a bit bloody difficult to forensically examine May's domestic agenda as she's too busy repeating "strong and stable" on a loop and going on about Brexit.