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If thats the way you look at it for playWrightCharlie said:
The only thing which would affect a persons livelihood as you call it is surely how well they have performed in roles relevant to those they are being considered for, giving facts about poor performance potentially helps the person in question from being over-promoted and losing their livelihood pdq.Northstandpieeater said:
Really your offered a job with money and perks beyond what your currently on and you would not go for it. Fair enough I stand corrected and apologise.KBslittlesis said:
Errrrr no I wouldn't because I wouldn't be stupid enough to go for a job I wasn't remotely qualified for or any good at.Northstandpieeater said:
But you would be, you would be up in arms and quite rightly so.KBslittlesis said:
If I were as shit at my job as she is I doubt anyone would be 'up in arms' if I were grassed up for going for another job in the same genre.Northstandpieeater said:I think things should stay on a non personal level, how many on here would be up in arms if someone wrote a letter to a prospective employer such as this. My view will prob be in the minority but this is a step to far for me.
Plus, from a female perspective, I want a women in the FA to represent me, a real football fan who is passionate about the game & wants to see it progress. Not some dozy Doris who hasn't the first idea about football.
But thanks for thinking you know my own mind eh?!?!!
Also given that we do not know KM JDs for all we know she may be doing a wonderful job from the point of view of her employers, Charlton. If she applied for this position at the FA her reference would be Charlton her employers. I don't think its anyone's place to put forward a view which, potentially, effects a persons livelihood. My understanding was the various groups aim was to force the owner to sale, if this presumption is the case I fail to see how this letter corresponds with their aims ?
Anyway someone's performance at their job is not a black and white subject. Ask my boss an honest answer about what they think of me and she will tell you im a' C**t' ask her who generates the most income (the function of my role) and she would tell you it was me by a country mile. Whether someone is doing a good job depends on what there job actually is from our point of view KM may well be the anti Christ, that does not mean from the point of view of her employer she is failing at her job.
Like I said I was sure my opinion would be in the minority but that's never stopped me expressing it.0 -
Just as well you didn't see fit to play YOUR part in the numerous, innovative & ballsy ways that the protesters, whichever guise they operate under, are continuing to fight the good fight against our current oppressers...Northstandpieeater said:
If thats the way you look at it for playWrightCharlie said:
The only thing which would affect a persons livelihood as you call it is surely how well they have performed in roles relevant to those they are being considered for, giving facts about poor performance potentially helps the person in question from being over-promoted and losing their livelihood pdq.Northstandpieeater said:
Really your offered a job with money and perks beyond what your currently on and you would not go for it. Fair enough I stand corrected and apologise.KBslittlesis said:
Errrrr no I wouldn't because I wouldn't be stupid enough to go for a job I wasn't remotely qualified for or any good at.Northstandpieeater said:
But you would be, you would be up in arms and quite rightly so.KBslittlesis said:
If I were as shit at my job as she is I doubt anyone would be 'up in arms' if I were grassed up for going for another job in the same genre.Northstandpieeater said:I think things should stay on a non personal level, how many on here would be up in arms if someone wrote a letter to a prospective employer such as this. My view will prob be in the minority but this is a step to far for me.
Plus, from a female perspective, I want a women in the FA to represent me, a real football fan who is passionate about the game & wants to see it progress. Not some dozy Doris who hasn't the first idea about football.
But thanks for thinking you know my own mind eh?!?!!
Also given that we do not know KM JDs for all we know she may be doing a wonderful job from the point of view of her employers, Charlton. If she applied for this position at the FA her reference would be Charlton her employers. I don't think its anyone's place to put forward a view which, potentially, effects a persons livelihood. My understanding was the various groups aim was to force the owner to sale, if this presumption is the case I fail to see how this letter corresponds with their aims ?
Anyway someone's performance at their job is not a black and white subject. Ask my boss an honest answer about what they think of me and she will tell you im a' C**t' ask her who generates the most income (the function of my role) and she would tell you it was me by a country mile. Whether someone is doing a good job depends on what there job actually is from our point of view KM may well be the anti Christ, that does not mean from the point of view of her employer she is failing at her job.
Like I said I was sure my opinion would be in the minority but that's never stopped me expressing it.
The sweet FA would surely have binned anything you penned, pieman.
I can only guess at your meaning in the above.
" If THAT'S the way you look at it, FAIR play" ?4 -
Great letter from WAR. Well done.1
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Yes.Northstandpieeater said:
Really your offered a job with money and perks beyond what your currently on and you would not go for it. Fair enough I stand corrected and apologise.KBslittlesis said:
Errrrr no I wouldn't because I wouldn't be stupid enough to go for a job I wasn't remotely qualified for or any good at.Northstandpieeater said:
But you would be, you would be up in arms and quite rightly so.KBslittlesis said:
If I were as shit at my job as she is I doubt anyone would be 'up in arms' if I were grassed up for going for another job in the same genre.Northstandpieeater said:I think things should stay on a non personal level, how many on here would be up in arms if someone wrote a letter to a prospective employer such as this. My view will prob be in the minority but this is a step to far for me.
Plus, from a female perspective, I want a women in the FA to represent me, a real football fan who is passionate about the game & wants to see it progress. Not some dozy Doris who hasn't the first idea about football.
But thanks for thinking you know my own mind eh?!?!!
Also given that we do not know KM JDs for all we know she may be doing a wonderful job from the point of view of her employers, Charlton. If she applied for this position at the FA her reference would be Charlton her employers. I don't think its anyone's place to put forward a view which, potentially, effects a persons livelihood. My understanding was the various groups aim was to force the owner to sale, if this presumption is the case I fail to see how this letter corresponds with their aims ?
Anyway someone's performance at their job is not a black and white subject. Ask my boss an honest answer about what they think of me and she will tell you im a' C**t' ask her who generates the most income (the function of my role) and she would tell you it was me by a country mile. Whether someone is doing a good job depends on what there job actually is from our point of view KM may well be the anti Christ, that does not mean from the point of view of her employer she is failing at her job.
Like I said I was sure my opinion would be in the minority but that's never stopped me expressing it.
I was constantly told to go for promotion in my previous existence but I chose to stay as an Indian & not a chief as I felt my qualities were better suited to it.
Plus, I'm awful at telling people exactly what I thought of them. Apparently that's frowned upon when in managerial situations.
But as I'm just a lowly goat farmer now, I can say what I like now.
I agree with your boss.
Express away :-D
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Well apparently there was no confrontation, so there's little to discuss.Northstandpieeater said:
If knocking on the door of someone parents is not confrontational im not sure what is. Ive upset many people at work and if one of those people knockes on my parents door i would find it very confrontational. If you in the same position would not find it confrontational fair play to you.WestCountryAddick said:
Definition of militant in English:Northstandpieeater said:
Knocking on the door of KM parents, that is militant is it not ?LargeAddick said:I can't see how WAR, CARD or even the B20 can be described as militant.
I actually think we have been too nice and need to get a bit more in their faces. They have got off lightly. ........ so far.
militant
ADJECTIVE
Favouring confrontational or violent methods in support of a political or social cause.
Well the reports we received on this encounter did not give the impression that they were either confrontational or violent in method. So no, I don't believe it was militant.1 -
Brilliant letter WAR. Exactly what you are there for has much more force coming from them!0
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Interesting - so should I take it you think Roland's aim all along has been for Katrien to waste money hand over fist on inflated agents' fees and giving out over-long contracts to substandard players, while at the same time alienating the majority of his "customers", the fans? Presumably you may suspect his aim is to run the club into the ground to make it easier to get planning permission to "develop" the Valley in some fashion similar to Stayen in Belgium?Northstandpieeater said:
Also given that we do not know KM JDs for all we know she may be doing a wonderful job from the point of view of her employers, Charlton. If she applied for this position at the FA her reference would be Charlton her employers. I don't think its anyone's place to put forward a view which, potentially, effects a persons livelihood. My understanding was the various groups aim was to force the owner to sale, if this presumption is the case I fail to see how this letter corresponds with their aims ?KBslittlesis said:
Errrrr no I wouldn't because I wouldn't be stupid enough to go for a job I wasn't remotely qualified for or any good at.Northstandpieeater said:
But you would be, you would be up in arms and quite rightly so.KBslittlesis said:
If I were as shit at my job as she is I doubt anyone would be 'up in arms' if I were grassed up for going for another job in the same genre.Northstandpieeater said:I think things should stay on a non personal level, how many on here would be up in arms if someone wrote a letter to a prospective employer such as this. My view will prob be in the minority but this is a step to far for me.
Plus, from a female perspective, I want a women in the FA to represent me, a real football fan who is passionate about the game & wants to see it progress. Not some dozy Doris who hasn't the first idea about football.
But thanks for thinking you know my own mind eh?!?!!
Granted this may be possible. I happen to think it is equally likely RD has decided to indulge his "niece", giving her chance after chance to find her feet and get more than her toe in the door at the FA. He can afford to bankroll the situation well beyond the point where, in a normal business, she would have been sacked for incompetence, because CAFC is in essence just a rich man's plaything, a folly of his old age, which gives him some sort of vicarious pleasure in helping the daughter of a friend.
Just maybe, if the two of them see the prospect of a seat on the FA board receding, it might hasten an end to their leech-like hold on our club, and encourage RD to be more realistic about it's sale value. So yes, I think WAR are working towards that aim, and taking a stand which Roland would doubtless again casually dismiss as misogyny if the same letter had been written by CARD.
And don't underestimate people-power. I hope many others will write to the FA asking how they plan to appoint the best people available to their new board. The FA is having to become more accountable in order to retain public funding, and will be wary of courting bad publicity. There are at present only 8 women in positions of any power at the FA. If they do not include 3 women of far higher calibre than Katrien (not a high bar to leap!), then I would prefer them to be proactive and look outside of those narrow confines for women with proven ability for strategic planning and all the other qualities needed for the board running our national game, and not simply appoint a mediocre tick-box seat-filler - wouldn't you?11 -
As someone who was going to Charlton with nieces , nephews , friends and their children, around 20 of us season ticket holders , each year sitting together and now down to just me and my 4 sons , I clearly think those opposed to this type of letter are lucky enough to not be feeling the real pain this regime has inflicted on some fans.
It makes me sick thinking of the disruption these lame owners have caused to us.
Yes we have a choice but I'm not spending £300 per child on having my kids mascots whilst under this clown ownership and they and myself are missing out on lifelong memories but yes it is my choice but we all have to live with our consciences.
As a match sponsor over the years all the CEO's would make an effort to meet us on our day , not this incompetent, not even a response to when I emailed her that I was pulling out of sponsoring a match due to their poor running of the club.
Years back when I threatened to pull out of Valley Gold just £10 a month and I had a phone call from Steve Dixon , whom I believe at the time was working with Peter Varney at the upper end of Charltons management structure, Katrien is out of her depth.
They are not fit for purpose, that purpose being able to competently run OUR club in a way that will see it bob bob bobbing along at any sort of level of mediocrity that we have done over the years .
The decimation of our support is proof enough that they have been disastrous off the pitch as much as on it .
Anything showing this ownership up ,for their clear ineptitude, is a good thing because no amount of embarrassment to them will make up for the pain my little Charlton family is going through thanks to them.
Well done WAR
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As regards WAR, I assumed they were formed as a response to both KM and RD trying to claim all criticism of the terrible work KM is doing was purely down to her gender.
And just on the basis of this being a personal attack, while I wouldn't be gratefull to third parties writing to my boss about the poor job I was doing, I doubt many people would still be in a job having done the sort of things Katrien has achieved. Is she now beyond complaint? Cushy number if so.0 -
Think everyone is entitled to an opinion i have given mine. Attacking someone on a personal levwl is a step to far in my view.Fanny Fanackapan said:
Just as well you didn't see fit to play YOUR part in the numerous, innovative & ballsy ways that the protesters, whichever guise they operate under, are continuing to fight the good fight against our current oppressers...Northstandpieeater said:
If thats the way you look at it for playWrightCharlie said:
The only thing which would affect a persons livelihood as you call it is surely how well they have performed in roles relevant to those they are being considered for, giving facts about poor performance potentially helps the person in question from being over-promoted and losing their livelihood pdq.Northstandpieeater said:
Really your offered a job with money and perks beyond what your currently on and you would not go for it. Fair enough I stand corrected and apologise.KBslittlesis said:
Errrrr no I wouldn't because I wouldn't be stupid enough to go for a job I wasn't remotely qualified for or any good at.Northstandpieeater said:
But you would be, you would be up in arms and quite rightly so.KBslittlesis said:
If I were as shit at my job as she is I doubt anyone would be 'up in arms' if I were grassed up for going for another job in the same genre.Northstandpieeater said:I think things should stay on a non personal level, how many on here would be up in arms if someone wrote a letter to a prospective employer such as this. My view will prob be in the minority but this is a step to far for me.
Plus, from a female perspective, I want a women in the FA to represent me, a real football fan who is passionate about the game & wants to see it progress. Not some dozy Doris who hasn't the first idea about football.
But thanks for thinking you know my own mind eh?!?!!
Also given that we do not know KM JDs for all we know she may be doing a wonderful job from the point of view of her employers, Charlton. If she applied for this position at the FA her reference would be Charlton her employers. I don't think its anyone's place to put forward a view which, potentially, effects a persons livelihood. My understanding was the various groups aim was to force the owner to sale, if this presumption is the case I fail to see how this letter corresponds with their aims ?
Anyway someone's performance at their job is not a black and white subject. Ask my boss an honest answer about what they think of me and she will tell you im a' C**t' ask her who generates the most income (the function of my role) and she would tell you it was me by a country mile. Whether someone is doing a good job depends on what there job actually is from our point of view KM may well be the anti Christ, that does not mean from the point of view of her employer she is failing at her job.
Like I said I was sure my opinion would be in the minority but that's never stopped me expressing it.
The sweet FA would surely have binned anything you penned, pieman.
I can only guess at your meaning in the above.
" If THAT'S the way you look at it, FAIR play" ?0 -
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If you agree with my boss thats your opinion, ive never felt the need to speak in such derogoraty terms bur each to their ownKBslittlesis said:
Yes.Northstandpieeater said:
Really your offered a job with money and perks beyond what your currently on and you would not go for it. Fair enough I stand corrected and apologise.KBslittlesis said:
Errrrr no I wouldn't because I wouldn't be stupid enough to go for a job I wasn't remotely qualified for or any good at.Northstandpieeater said:
But you would be, you would be up in arms and quite rightly so.KBslittlesis said:
If I were as shit at my job as she is I doubt anyone would be 'up in arms' if I were grassed up for going for another job in the same genre.Northstandpieeater said:I think things should stay on a non personal level, how many on here would be up in arms if someone wrote a letter to a prospective employer such as this. My view will prob be in the minority but this is a step to far for me.
Plus, from a female perspective, I want a women in the FA to represent me, a real football fan who is passionate about the game & wants to see it progress. Not some dozy Doris who hasn't the first idea about football.
But thanks for thinking you know my own mind eh?!?!!
Also given that we do not know KM JDs for all we know she may be doing a wonderful job from the point of view of her employers, Charlton. If she applied for this position at the FA her reference would be Charlton her employers. I don't think its anyone's place to put forward a view which, potentially, effects a persons livelihood. My understanding was the various groups aim was to force the owner to sale, if this presumption is the case I fail to see how this letter corresponds with their aims ?
Anyway someone's performance at their job is not a black and white subject. Ask my boss an honest answer about what they think of me and she will tell you im a' C**t' ask her who generates the most income (the function of my role) and she would tell you it was me by a country mile. Whether someone is doing a good job depends on what there job actually is from our point of view KM may well be the anti Christ, that does not mean from the point of view of her employer she is failing at her job.
Like I said I was sure my opinion would be in the minority but that's never stopped me expressing it.
I was constantly told to go for promotion in my previous existence but I chose to stay as an Indian & not a chief as I felt my qualities were better suited to it.
Plus, I'm awful at telling people exactly what I thought of them. Apparently that's frowned upon when in managerial situations.
But as I'm just a lowly goat farmer now, I can say what I like now.
I agree with your boss.
Express away :-D1 -
Northstandpieeater,
It isn't an attack on a personal level though is it? The letter describes her professional ineptitude. Given that, as football supporters, we will be effected by FA decisions it seems perfectly reasonable that those who have already suffered from her gross professional incompetence tell the FA of her record of alienating her own club's supporters, driving down attendances, insulting supporters and failure to learn from her mistakes etc.
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For me its making the protest personal and also serves no purpose in forcing rhw owner out. I upset a lot of people in my line of work a lot of people and if one of those wrote to a prospectice employer. Whilst i would never begrudge them complainjng about my conduct if one of those wrote to a prospextice employer im sorry i would not be alright with that.0
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Latrine made it personal when she started messing with our football club and our way of life.Northstandpieeater said:For me its making the protest personal and also serves no purpose in forcing rhw owner out. I upset a lot of people in my line of work a lot of people and if one of those wrote to a prospectice employer. Whilst i would never begrudge them complainjng about my conduct if one of those wrote to a prospextice employer im sorry i would not be alright with that.
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Okay thats fine but still does not change my opinion.0
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even if the letter was making it personal, which I don't think it does, it wouldn't bother me. She has made it personal by stopping me going to football every week with my parents and meeting up with my brother, nephew and many friends. if that ain't making it personal then what is?4
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I was not aware she had banned you from charlton games and do not know the circumstances surrounding your ban so cant really make a comment on the matterLargeAddick said:even if the letter was making it personal, which I don't think it does, it wouldn't bother me. She has made it personal by stopping me going to football every week with my parents and meeting up with my brother, nephew and many friends. if that ain't making it personal then what is?
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I can't make up my mind if that is a serious comment or you are just being antagonistic and looking for a response so you can post some more inane drivel.Northstandpieeater said:
I was not aware she had banned you from charlton games and do not know the circumstances surrounding your ban so cant really make a comment on the matterLargeAddick said:even if the letter was making it personal, which I don't think it does, it wouldn't bother me. She has made it personal by stopping me going to football every week with my parents and meeting up with my brother, nephew and many friends. if that ain't making it personal then what is?
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Really?Northstandpieeater said:For me its making the protest personal and also serves no purpose in forcing rhw owner out. I upset a lot of people in my line of work a lot of people and if one of those wrote to a prospectice employer. Whilst i would never begrudge them complainjng about my conduct if one of those wrote to a prospextice employer im sorry i would not be alright with that.
I think you are confusing what is personal and what is professional. The letter from WAR makes no mention at all of personal attributes such as, is she a good and dutiful daughter, loves animals, dress sense etc. What it does do is to point out that she is failing in the basic functions of her job which is to oversee success for the football club.
Prior to my well deserved retirement a basic requirement of my job was the willingness and in fact determination to upset, anger and infuriate certain people. Given that was a requirement for the job I would be totally happy if someone was to point that out to a prospective employer.
A basic requirement of Katrien's job is to engage her " customers" in a way that made them more likely to feel attached to the club and willing to spend their money following the club. Given that she has demonstrably failed in this task and many of these customers feel insulted by her surely it is reasonable for said customers to inform the FA of her failings and warning the FA that Katrien is likely to damage their business and alienate their " customers ".7 -
Insane drivel. I see any person that expresses a minority opinion has that opinion labelled insane drivel. Sorry i thought this was an internet forum where one was able to express their views. Ive not on a single occassion been disrespectful to another member but hey insane drivel it isLargeAddick said:
I can't make up my mind if that is a serious comment or you are just being antagonistic and looking for a response so you can post some more inane drivel.Northstandpieeater said:
I was not aware she had banned you from charlton games and do not know the circumstances surrounding your ban so cant really make a comment on the matterLargeAddick said:even if the letter was making it personal, which I don't think it does, it wouldn't bother me. She has made it personal by stopping me going to football every week with my parents and meeting up with my brother, nephew and many friends. if that ain't making it personal then what is?
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I think it's at least possible that a main part of RD's purpose at Charlton is to provide career opportunities for KM. A lot of effort and money appears to be expended in this direction - notably in PR terms - while she has an unusual appetite for attending events and obtaining a profile in related areas that yield little obvious benefit to the club.
Most obviously, she is not held to account by RD for being useless at her job, despite the range of objective indicators all pointing in that direction and the anecdotal evidence from many who have had or continue to have personal dealings with her.
In these circumstances I think targeting her professional ambitions directly is entirely legitimate.28 -
I was going to mention the enormous cost of the PR to cover her ineptitude but you beat me to it... However, that's one thing, but pumping millions into a loss making club (albeit as loans repayable to douchebag) is another. She'd have to be one special niece to spend 30/40/50M on her to advance her career.Airman Brown said:I think it's at least possible that a main part of RD's purpose at Charlton is to provide career opportunities for KM. A lot of effort and money appears to be expended in this direction - notably in PR terms - while she has an unusual appetite for attending events and obtaining a profile in related areas that yield little obvious benefit to the club.
Most obviously, she is not held to account by RD for being useless at her job, despite the range of objective indicators all pointing in that direction and the anecdotal evidence from many who have had or continue to have personal dealings with her.
In these circumstances I think targeting her professional ambitions directly is entirely legitimate.
I think, in truth, she implements the doughebag line and, as faar as he's concerned, probably does it quite well: his only interest being the player farm and the network, although the network seems to be crumbling before his eyes.
I guess that, now they've finally decided to go down the old established 'L1 experience/English manger' route, and it seems we're stuck with KR, we'll finally see her true worth(lessness) in the upcoming transfer window.
All in all, she seems to have kept a very low profile these past six months - since we got Rubbashow; although her muddy paws can still be seen over things like the POYR débacle.2 -
The issue is bigger than simply whether she's competent. If they go for just anyone regardless of suitability or track record they are buying into tokenism l and solving nothing.Northstandpieeater said:I think things should stay on a non personal level, how many on here would be up in arms if someone wrote a letter to a prospective employer such as this. My view will prob be in the minority but this is a step to far for me.
Lip service is not what's needed, but a diligent matching of the roles with candidates who will help progress women's role in modern football. Do you think her continued employment at Charlton has done the cause any favours?5 -
But that's not what the letter does. It highlights her professional failings, which are hardly off the table if she was under consideration for such a responsible public role.Northstandpieeater said:
Think everyone is entitled to an opinion i have given mine. Attacking someone on a personal levwl is a step to far in my view.Fanny Fanackapan said:
Just as well you didn't see fit to play YOUR part in the numerous, innovative & ballsy ways that the protesters, whichever guise they operate under, are continuing to fight the good fight against our current oppressers...Northstandpieeater said:
If thats the way you look at it for playWrightCharlie said:
The only thing which would affect a persons livelihood as you call it is surely how well they have performed in roles relevant to those they are being considered for, giving facts about poor performance potentially helps the person in question from being over-promoted and losing their livelihood pdq.Northstandpieeater said:
Really your offered a job with money and perks beyond what your currently on and you would not go for it. Fair enough I stand corrected and apologise.KBslittlesis said:
Errrrr no I wouldn't because I wouldn't be stupid enough to go for a job I wasn't remotely qualified for or any good at.Northstandpieeater said:
But you would be, you would be up in arms and quite rightly so.KBslittlesis said:
If I were as shit at my job as she is I doubt anyone would be 'up in arms' if I were grassed up for going for another job in the same genre.Northstandpieeater said:I think things should stay on a non personal level, how many on here would be up in arms if someone wrote a letter to a prospective employer such as this. My view will prob be in the minority but this is a step to far for me.
Plus, from a female perspective, I want a women in the FA to represent me, a real football fan who is passionate about the game & wants to see it progress. Not some dozy Doris who hasn't the first idea about football.
But thanks for thinking you know my own mind eh?!?!!
Also given that we do not know KM JDs for all we know she may be doing a wonderful job from the point of view of her employers, Charlton. If she applied for this position at the FA her reference would be Charlton her employers. I don't think its anyone's place to put forward a view which, potentially, effects a persons livelihood. My understanding was the various groups aim was to force the owner to sale, if this presumption is the case I fail to see how this letter corresponds with their aims ?
Anyway someone's performance at their job is not a black and white subject. Ask my boss an honest answer about what they think of me and she will tell you im a' C**t' ask her who generates the most income (the function of my role) and she would tell you it was me by a country mile. Whether someone is doing a good job depends on what there job actually is from our point of view KM may well be the anti Christ, that does not mean from the point of view of her employer she is failing at her job.
Like I said I was sure my opinion would be in the minority but that's never stopped me expressing it.
The sweet FA would surely have binned anything you penned, pieman.
I can only guess at your meaning in the above.
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Ive stated my opinion and my reasons for it and will leave it at that, its a minority view that I already knew but the world would be a very boring place if everyone agreed.0
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I see the FA is patting itself on the head for adopting the reforms http://www.thefa.com/news/2017/may/18/fa-governance-reforms-180517, but still no indication of how they will be implemented. I hope it won’t still be the “old boys’ network”. More transparency is needed if ever the FA are going to regain the trust and respect of the fans. (And of course, having a competitive national team would help…)
Our fans’ emails have had success in other areas, such as discouraging sponsorship of Roland’s Toxic Experiment, so there’s nothing to be lost by adding our weight behind WAR in asking for transparency on how the reforms are to be implemented.
If you are uncomfortable commenting on the gender issue at FA Board level, there will also be 11 new FA Committee positions to boost representation for ethnic minorities, the disabled community, fans groups and women's football. It would be interesting to know how these representatives are to be selected, especially since Charlton fans have a proud history of support in all these areas. Take your pick! It’s probably the NUMBER of emails received by the FA more than the detailed CONTENT which will matter.
Off to put my money where my mouth is & write my contribution!
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Just to add my tuppence worth. I have read and reread our WAR email and fail to see anything 'personal' in it. The rationale behind the formation of WAR has been ably cited on this thread both by my fellow WARriors (with some amusing asides) and others.
As I have mentioned on other threads, I'm a fairly reserved type of person and prior to the 'Roland Out' campaign I have never taken part in any protest, demonstration or march for any other cause and thus have never been described or indeed would describe myself as militant.
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I agree with you, @cherryorchard .
“Personal” is commenting on Corbyn’s suits, May’s love of kitten heel shoes, or even Boris’s morals. Like the length of Katrien’s miniskirt, her foreign accent, who she sits with during matches, or her unfortunate nervous smirk, these things are not fundamentally relevant to the jobs they are doing, and are a distraction from the key issues.
What our fellow lifer @Northstandpieeater is objecting to is WAR commenting on the way we as fans perceive the way Katrien is performing her professional role as CEO. He is arguing (with some justification) that we are not in full possession of all the facts relating to the terms of her employment. He thinks this disqualifies fans from commenting on the outcome of her employment as far as it impacts on the club and the fans experience of supporting our team. I disagree with his conclusion, as clearly do many others on this forum.
I feel as a “customer” I have every right to complain if the service in the “Valley Restaurant” is lousy, and if I suspect things are really crap behind the scenes because I find a cockroach in my soup I have every right to share my concerns with the food hygiene inspector – in this case, the FA. – even if I am in ignorance of the employment terms of the chef! Clearly the WAR email is written in a similar spirit, and makes no claims which lack evidence in the public domain (even if Katrien’s google clean-ups mean you have to hunt a bit more thoroughly to find it). Evidently there are those who think I should not make a fuss & be “militant” about it – just go away quietly and eat elsewhere in future. Sorry, but that ship has long since sailed.
WAR are unusual in being a defined group of women in a predominantly male environment who are no longer prepared to keep a low profile, working behind the scenes, but are instead voicing our complaints, and peacefully, legally and visibly protesting to draw attention to the common cause of protest. WAR's intention is to tread on the regime’s toes, making it clear their presence is unwelcome and it is time to sell up and go, not because of misogyny, or ageism, or because we are disgruntled ex-employees, or a flock of sheep, or have time on our hands (I wish!), but because we love our club and hate what this regime is doing to it. Evidently some are uncomfortable with this. It is unfortunate if in the process of opposing the regime WAR also step on the corns of some of our fellow fans who are content to leave the future to serendipity. If we cannot persuade, sometimes we will just have to respectfully agree to disagree.
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If I was an employer about to appoint some-one to a senior business in a customer facing business, and then received lots of letters and emails from my customers outlining her unsuitability i would certainly look into them and be grateful. Furthermore when we did appoint someone to a senior position we would try and seek assurances from key customers if they were known to them.Northstandpieeater said:For me its making the protest personal and also serves no purpose in forcing rhw owner out. I upset a lot of people in my line of work a lot of people and if one of those wrote to a prospectice employer. Whilst i would never begrudge them complainjng about my conduct if one of those wrote to a prospextice employer im sorry i would not be alright with that.
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