If Roland sells, then it must be to owners who can afford his price, and be able to fund losses of 8-9 million pounds a year for at least the next 4-5 years if they what to get the club into the premiership.
Ummmm.... we are already losing that much per year.
I don't know what drugs you are using, but Watford and Leicester lost £100 million to get to the PL. Brighton's owner spend £200 million to get there. Leeds has lost £60 million the last 4 years and is not there yet.
The fact... and it is a fact based on recent historical data... it will take many multiples of the club purchase price to get to the PL from where we are.
Which is why I am not for the Aussie takeover. If they are struggling to raise the money to buy the club, then they sure don't have the cash to get us promoted.
Red Bull, on the other hand, has two clubs that qualified for the Champions league this year. At least we would not have to worry about whether the owners are broke. And if the rumours of not buying the ground have ANY credibility, then add "stupid" to the list for the Aussie buyers, too.
How much did Bournemouth spend to go through the divisions and to finish 8th in the PL?
If the ground was ever extended it would be The Jimmy Seed Stand.
As I understand it (probably way off) the plans that were previously submitted included plans for the East. I believe it involved making the current stand just seating (so removing the current corporate boxes) and adding a second smaller tier with just corporate boxes. Much more and better boxes than we currently have. From what I am led to believe our corporate boxes etc. are what we lackbwheb compared to other clubs of our size. The development also involved filling in the corners of the Jimmy seed end and a new Jimmy seed stand.
Edited because since my phone updated autocorrect seems unable to cancel out my day thumbs...
I thought any plans to extend the East Stand disappeared when we sold the land in Landsdowne Mews & properties were built there. These properties would be effected if the East Stand got any bigger.
Best option for the east stand imo is to go for terraced safe standing in a lower tier with a second tier above which extends back to the perimeter. Would need to keep the concourse the same size as now for the increased capacity but would be Undercover.
Could reduce the very high take angle on both upper and lower tiers
I think the Covered end (North lower) is ideal for safe standing. The angle of it is already pretty flat. It's really not suited to seating I'm Chris Solly's height and I struggle for legroom there. It's also not a huge migration for the loudest fans to move from top tier to bottom and it maintains status as the covered end choir.
If the ground was ever extended it would be The Jimmy Seed Stand.
As I understand it (probably way off) the plans that were previously submitted included plans for the East. I believe it involved making the current stand just seating (so removing the current corporate boxes) and adding a second smaller tier with just corporate boxes. Much more and better boxes than we currently have. From what I am led to believe our corporate boxes etc. are what we lackbwheb compared to other clubs of our size. The development also involved filling in the corners of the Jimmy seed end and a new Jimmy seed stand.
Edited because since my phone updated autocorrect seems unable to cancel out my day thumbs...
I thought any plans to extend the East Stand disappeared when we sold the land in Landsdowne Mews & properties were built there. These properties would be effected if the East Stand got any bigger.
FFS how did this thread turn in to talking about ground expansion?? In our current state we only need a few fold up chairs and a chaise lounge!!!! Seeing the ground full for a charity match the other day really hurts as we'll never see that until RD is gone and the club starts to recover and get some forward momentum. For that reason alone I just want him gone, almost at any cost !
If Roland sells, then it must be to owners who can afford his price, and be able to fund losses of 8-9 million pounds a year for at least the next 4-5 years if they what to get the club into the premiership.
Ummmm.... we are already losing that much per year.
I don't know what drugs you are using, but Watford and Leicester lost £100 million to get to the PL. Brighton's owner spend £200 million to get there. Leeds has lost £60 million the last 4 years and is not there yet.
The fact... and it is a fact based on recent historical data... it will take many multiples of the club purchase price to get to the PL from where we are.
Which is why I am not for the Aussie takeover. If they are struggling to raise the money to buy the club, then they sure don't have the cash to get us promoted.
Red Bull, on the other hand, has two clubs that qualified for the Champions league this year. At least we would not have to worry about whether the owners are broke. And if the rumours of not buying the ground have ANY credibility, then add "stupid" to the list for the Aussie buyers, too.
How much did Bournemouth spend to go through the divisions and to finish 8th in the PL?
Quite a bit, ballpark estimate of about £50m. Russian millionaire Maxim Demin invested heavily in playing staff over a three year period or so.
FFS how did this thread turn in to talking about ground expansion?? In our current state we only need a few fold up chairs and a chaise lounge!!!! Seeing the ground full for a charity match the other day really hurts as we'll never see that until RD is gone and the club starts to recover and get some forward momentum. For that reason alone I just want him gone, almost at any cost !
Interesting you mention chaise lounge, I started advertising for a trolley dolly and a fluffer some weeks ago, trouble is only some bloke called Nigel is the only responder.
If Roland sells, then it must be to owners who can afford his price, and be able to fund losses of 8-9 million pounds a year for at least the next 4-5 years if they what to get the club into the premiership.
Ummmm.... we are already losing that much per year.
I don't know what drugs you are using, but Watford and Leicester lost £100 million to get to the PL. Brighton's owner spend £200 million to get there. Leeds has lost £60 million the last 4 years and is not there yet.
The fact... and it is a fact based on recent historical data... it will take many multiples of the club purchase price to get to the PL from where we are.
Which is why I am not for the Aussie takeover. If they are struggling to raise the money to buy the club, then they sure don't have the cash to get us promoted.
Red Bull, on the other hand, has two clubs that qualified for the Champions league this year. At least we would not have to worry about whether the owners are broke. And if the rumours of not buying the ground have ANY credibility, then add "stupid" to the list for the Aussie buyers, too.
How much did Bournemouth spend to go through the divisions and to finish 8th in the PL?
Well whatever it was it'll cost us much more because now you have to compete with relegated championship sides who've just picked up 100m the season before and are now getting 30m a year in parachute payments. I genuinely don't think we're too far off (say 2 more seasons) from the relegated clubs being the championship top 3 the following season.
If Roland sells, then it must be to owners who can afford his price, and be able to fund losses of 8-9 million pounds a year for at least the next 4-5 years if they what to get the club into the premiership.
Ummmm.... we are already losing that much per year.
I don't know what drugs you are using, but Watford and Leicester lost £100 million to get to the PL. Brighton's owner spend £200 million to get there. Leeds has lost £60 million the last 4 years and is not there yet.
The fact... and it is a fact based on recent historical data... it will take many multiples of the club purchase price to get to the PL from where we are.
Which is why I am not for the Aussie takeover. If they are struggling to raise the money to buy the club, then they sure don't have the cash to get us promoted.
Red Bull, on the other hand, has two clubs that qualified for the Champions league this year. At least we would not have to worry about whether the owners are broke. And if the rumours of not buying the ground have ANY credibility, then add "stupid" to the list for the Aussie buyers, too.
How much did Bournemouth spend to go through the divisions and to finish 8th in the PL?
Well whatever it was it'll cost us much more because now you have to compete with relegated championship sides who've just picked up 100m the season before and are now getting 30m a year in parachute payments. I genuinely don't think we're too far off (say 2 more seasons) from the relegated clubs being the championship top 3 the following season.
I dont think that has ever happened in the premiwrship era atleast. All three clubs that went down going bk up i mean
If Roland sells, then it must be to owners who can afford his price, and be able to fund losses of 8-9 million pounds a year for at least the next 4-5 years if they what to get the club into the premiership.
Ummmm.... we are already losing that much per year.
I don't know what drugs you are using, but Watford and Leicester lost £100 million to get to the PL. Brighton's owner spend £200 million to get there. Leeds has lost £60 million the last 4 years and is not there yet.
The fact... and it is a fact based on recent historical data... it will take many multiples of the club purchase price to get to the PL from where we are.
Which is why I am not for the Aussie takeover. If they are struggling to raise the money to buy the club, then they sure don't have the cash to get us promoted.
Red Bull, on the other hand, has two clubs that qualified for the Champions league this year. At least we would not have to worry about whether the owners are broke. And if the rumours of not buying the ground have ANY credibility, then add "stupid" to the list for the Aussie buyers, too.
How much did Bournemouth spend to go through the divisions and to finish 8th in the PL?
Quite a bit, ballpark estimate of about £50m. Russian millionaire Maxim Demin invested heavily in playing staff over a three year period or so.
But unless you are a big club (as in huge) this is only sustainable as long as the owner pumps in cash with little hope of reward other than to his ego. As Blackburn, for example, show, once the cash dries up the fall is often as spectacular as the rise.
Getting back on track. Does no transfers or any solid rumours mean that Takeover talks are happening? Just asking.
Some clubs reveal their free signings as soon as they sign a pre-contract agreement, we always seem to wait until July 1st like Matt Taylor, so we may have to wait until then to judge if this window has been as disappointing as all the rest under RD.
Getting back on track. Does no transfers or any solid rumours mean that Takeover talks are happening? Just asking.
IMHO no.
It could be but it doesn't mean it is. It's still early days, the play-offs haven't finished and lots of players and managers, including ours, are on holiday.
Some deals have been done and announced at other clubs but not many. In any case the current regime aren't very good and they also want and need to move players out before they start spending what is left of what is bound to be a reduced budget.
I'm not saying there is no takeover as I believe the club is up for sale and that there are interested parties.
I'm sure there would still be scope for a smaller extension to the East Stand if necessary. And there is definitely scope for rebuilding the JS stand. But realistically our current capacity is quite adequate for a club who realistically will never be permanent members of the top flight
Just as interesting as transfers in, are the transfers out, and what happens to the returning loaned out players. Ceballos seemed to do ok playing for STV in the Belgian top flight, could he do a job for us next season?
Getting back on track. Does no transfers or any solid rumours mean that Takeover talks are happening? Just asking.
Some clubs reveal their free signings as soon as they sign a pre-contract agreement, we always seem to wait until July 1st like Matt Taylor, so we may have to wait until then to judge if this window has been as disappointing as all the rest under RD.
That year we announced Hollands and Pritchard at the end of May who both became free agents on 1st July.
I'm sure there would still be scope for a smaller extension to the East Stand if necessary. And there is definitely scope for rebuilding the JS stand. But realistically our current capacity is quite adequate for a club who realistically will never be permanent members of the top flight
Just as interesting as transfers in, are the transfers out, and what happens to the returning loaned out players. Ceballos seemed to do ok playing for STV in the Belgian top flight, could he do a job for us next season?
If Roland sells, then it must be to owners who can afford his price, and be able to fund losses of 8-9 million pounds a year for at least the next 4-5 years if they what to get the club into the premiership.
Ummmm.... we are already losing that much per year.
I don't know what drugs you are using, but Watford and Leicester lost £100 million to get to the PL. Brighton's owner spend £200 million to get there. Leeds has lost £60 million the last 4 years and is not there yet.
The fact... and it is a fact based on recent historical data... it will take many multiples of the club purchase price to get to the PL from where we are.
Which is why I am not for the Aussie takeover. If they are struggling to raise the money to buy the club, then they sure don't have the cash to get us promoted.
Red Bull, on the other hand, has two clubs that qualified for the Champions league this year. At least we would not have to worry about whether the owners are broke. And if the rumours of not buying the ground have ANY credibility, then add "stupid" to the list for the Aussie buyers, too.
How much did Bournemouth spend to go through the divisions and to finish 8th in the PL?
Quite a bit, ballpark estimate of about £50m. Russian millionaire Maxim Demin invested heavily in playing staff over a three year period or so.
- if he didn't change his name when he became the lead singer of a 70s glam rock band then hats of to his parents for calling him Maxim Denim
I believe the league managers had their do last night. Maybe that will have provided some impetus for something. I assume Karl Robinson would have been there.
I believe the league managers had their do last night. Maybe that will have provided some impetus for something. I assume Karl Robinson would have been there.
My heart goes out to anyone who had to share a table with him. As well as talking bollocks, he strikes me as the sort of bloke who sends food flying all over the place when he's eating.
In other news... Cooks have ascertained that potatoes can be sliced into small strips and fried in oil. This discovery could realise a basic, yet satisfying snack.
From one of the links above, lets hope the situation remains the same ( 12 years down the line )
A row between Greenwich Council and Charlton Athletic Football Club could see dreams of an extended 31,000 seater Valley Stadium delayed even further Planning consent to transform The Valley stadium into a 31,000 seater venue was given back in 2005 - but, a new row over the club's plans to build flats at the back of the site could 'derail' the entire project.
Charlton Athletic's Chief Executive Peter Varney says the flats were 'integral to the funding of the project.' The Club says the local authority refused to remove a condition which meant the new flats would have to be used by Charlton - and not sold to members of the public.
Its suggested without the sale of nine new flats at the back of the stadium the whole project would prove too expensive. "integral to the funding of the project" Peter Varney, CAFC Chief Executive 'Denied the opportunity' Peter Varney conceded they'd "received planning permission for the general east stand development." But, referring to the flats said "we do not wish to be denied the opportunity to sell the properties on a leasehold basis in the future." "When council members visited the site, I believe everyone was impressed not only by the plans, but more importantly by proposed improvements to the Lansdowne Mews roadway and road lighting." "Poor living environment" Greenwich Council who granted permission for the overall redevelopment in June 2005 said removing the conditions on the new flats would 'result in a use that is not ancillary nor environmentally compatible with the existing land use of the stadium." They suggested this "would give rise to a poor living environment by reason of poor outlook and noise and disturbance, thereby detrimental to the amenities of future occupiers."
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Interesting that Varney was talking about building flats at part of it.
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/sport/ambitious-plan-to-expand-the-val-a16121/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/content/articles/2008/03/06/greenwich_cafc_feature.shtml
Seeing the ground full for a charity match the other day really hurts as we'll never see that until RD is gone and the club starts to recover and get some forward momentum. For that reason alone I just want him gone, almost at any cost !
It could be but it doesn't mean it is. It's still early days, the play-offs haven't finished and lots of players and managers, including ours, are on holiday.
Some deals have been done and announced at other clubs but not many. In any case the current regime aren't very good and they also want and need to move players out before they start spending what is left of what is bound to be a reduced budget.
I'm not saying there is no takeover as I believe the club is up for sale and that there are interested parties.
Just as interesting as transfers in, are the transfers out, and what happens to the returning loaned out players. Ceballos seemed to do ok playing for STV in the Belgian top flight, could he do a job for us next season?
- if he didn't change his name when he became the lead singer of a 70s glam rock band then hats of to his parents for calling him Maxim Denim
Maybe that will have provided some impetus for something.
I assume Karl Robinson would have been there.
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BREAKING: Harry Kewell has been appointed the new manager at Crawley Town.
STAY FOCUSED.
A row between Greenwich Council and Charlton Athletic Football Club could see dreams of an extended 31,000 seater Valley Stadium delayed even further
Planning consent to transform The Valley stadium into a 31,000 seater venue was given back in 2005 - but, a new row over the club's plans to build flats at the back of the site could 'derail' the entire project.
Charlton Athletic's Chief Executive Peter Varney says the flats were 'integral to the funding of the project.'
The Club says the local authority refused to remove a condition which meant the new flats would have to be used by Charlton - and not sold to members of the public.
Its suggested without the sale of nine new flats at the back of the stadium the whole project would prove too expensive.
"integral to the funding of the project"
Peter Varney, CAFC Chief Executive
'Denied the opportunity'
Peter Varney conceded they'd "received planning permission for the general east stand development." But, referring to the flats said "we do not wish to be denied the opportunity to sell the properties on a leasehold basis in the future."
"When council members visited the site, I believe everyone was impressed not only by the plans, but more importantly by proposed improvements to the Lansdowne Mews roadway and road lighting."
"Poor living environment"
Greenwich Council who granted permission for the overall redevelopment in June 2005 said removing the conditions on the new flats would 'result in a use that is not ancillary nor environmentally compatible with the existing land use of the stadium."
They suggested this "would give rise to a poor living environment by reason of poor outlook and noise and disturbance, thereby detrimental to the amenities of future occupiers."