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The General Election - June 8th 2017

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  • He's probably hiding from you :wink:
    Don't worry. I will see him next Tuesday (see what I did there?) at the hustings at St Mildreds church.
    #stalker.
  • Corbyn on the One Show.
  • Saga Lout said:

    May and Rudd have not been running the country - parliament has been dissolved until after the election.
    No G7 no Cobra!!
  • Saga Lout said:

    May and Rudd have not been running the country - parliament has been dissolved until after the election.
    The cabinet and prime minister posts are still filled until the queen asks another to form a government. There are, however, no MPs currently
  • I thought Emily Matis was in charge until after the election.
  • It's safe to say you and I are at opposite ends on the spectrum regarding Brexit, I think it's a great thing that the politicians gave the public a choice and are carrying out the choice. I'm excited for the potential this country could have if we do things right and I'm proud we took a proper chance to handle our own future, you're obviously worried and I understand and respect that.
    A shame the Tories didn't give the public an INFORMED choice which is what democracy is about.
  • Just had a chat with Willow Winston the Millwall lady standing locally.
    Told her I wouldn't be voting for her but wished her luck, and she was quite charming.
  • Corbyn on the One Show.

    Comes across a lovely guy.

    Not sure it's what the country needs though.
  • The idea that Mrs May has been or will continue to be running the country is sadly optimistic.

    She is very much in someone's pocket who has much interest in increasing his position at the expense of the British people.
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  • Fiiish said:

    The idea that Mrs May has been or will continue to be running the country is sadly optimistic.

    She is very much in someone's pocket who has much interest in increasing his position at the expense of the British people.

    Explain ?
  • WSS said:

    Comes across a lovely guy.

    Not sure it's what the country needs though.
    That's what I was thinking.
  • edited May 2017
    Thought Corbyn was great personally. Glad it was done in a similar vein to Theresa May's interview a little while back. He's sometimes struggled with the way he comes across as a person.

    Not sure why Corbyn can't be both a nice man and lead the country. TM came across as "nice lady" during her One Show chat but no-one held it against her.
  • Turns out UKIP have not turnef up too
  • Fiiish said:

    She does what she is told by her masters in the media like a good girl. Hence why she is rolling back newspaper laws back to the dark ages.
    Which laws are they?
  • Wonder if Labour would be polling higher or lower with a more 'conventional/palatable' leader? Is Corbyn an asset or liability? At the start of the campaign I would have said the latter but now I am not sure. What do people think?

    I don't believe that Corbyn and McDonnell ever prioritised winning this election, nor would they want to now!

    Their project is to remodel the Labour party - they have changed the manifesto from "austerity lite" to what we see now; they have achieved mass membership; and over time they will reshape the parliamentary party.

    And for this reason they aren't going anywhere after the election, whatever the result.

    As it happens their manifesto has struck a chord with the public, the same public who voted 58:42 in the English and Welsh regions against the EU, experts and the status quo. They have galvanised the youth vote and it will take a decade or more to change the political landscape. UKIP is dead in the water and the Lib Dems are not doing much better so it's back to a straight red:blue fight.

    And May has spent so much political capital trying to swallow the UKIP vote that she has "forgotten" to put together a decent manifesto.

    So why doesn't Corbyn want to win? Quite simply we are heading for the worst possible outcome on Brexit and that will be catastrophic for the economy. First exchange rates dropped by 15% which has depressed ordinary peoples earnings and assets compared to the rest of the world - now inflation is creeping in. Second house prices have stopped rising and we all know what happens next! And third, financial services are starting to migrate into the EU. There is only a drip, drip of news here and there but we can expect more clarity as the Brexit dialogue evolves between July and December. It is inevitable that a percentage of jobs and the associated profits will go abroad.

    And let's not get into the hundreds of bilateral treaties which will need to be negotiated after Brexit - what are the odds on getting better, same or worse terms than those negotiated by the EU on behalf of 500 million people?

    If the "no deal is better than a bad deal" mantra crystalises then this will not end well. Alternatively May with a big majority might pivot to an EEA style proposal? She might aim for a broad transitionary agreement to take her to 2022 and beyond but that is not in her gift to deliver.

    May appears super keen to lead on this and we can see now why Cameron took just a few hours to fall on his sword last June. It wasn't that he was the wrong man - it is that it is an impossible job and whoever does the deal will go down in history for the biggest mistake. Hats off to Burnham and Khan for stepping into metropolitan mayor roles for they can do something practical and they might return to the national stage later?

    One could go on but the fact is that an expected walkover has developed into an interesting contest. Voters have a clear choice and it's obvious that Mrs "strong and stable" isn't worthy of the name. For sure this is the manifesto style which won support for the SNP but look under the bonnet and health and education in Scotland are not doing so well. Left wing populism doesn't really have a track record in delivery.

    Meanwhile across the Channel, Macron and his new party are creeping up in the polls every week and look set to land a possible majority. That will do wonders for the Euro and EU economy but for UK PLC perhaps not so good?
  • I'm no economist but haven't the Tories benefited from a few rounds of QE since they've been in power. I thought this has been used to kickstart the economy etc.

    Also people have enjoyed silly interests rates on their mortgages. Does this not contribute to the overall perceived good health of the economy under the Tories
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  • PS - Seth, sorry to hear you're having a bad hustings
  • A shame the Tories didn't give the public an INFORMED choice which is what democracy is about.
    Such a rubbish excuse, the valid information was out there for anyone who wanted to find it.
  • The cabinet and prime minister posts are still filled until the queen asks another to form a government. There are, however, no MPs currently
    Thanks for clarifying that - you learn something new every day. I remain unsympathetic to their plight though.
  • Ref. @seriously_red 's final point my French client and good friend at Havas (the French ad agency with good political instincts) was really singing Macron's praises on Monday. He certainly thinks he can gain a majority. In addition, today's FT reports:

    In the eurozone, the recovery is touching parts of the region that were among the worst hit by its debt crisis. While the EU's Economic Sentiment Indicator for the region dipped slightly between April and May, readings for France and Portugal hit fresh multiyear highs. A reading for France, the region's second-largest economy and until this year one of its laggards, hit 107.7 — the highest level since June 2011.

    So things can indeed change quickly. And not inexorably in the direction of nationalism, insularity and xenophobia.
  • seth plum said:

    Currently sitting in the Salvation Army Hall in Catford waiting for the Lewisham East hustings to begin. All the candidates have turned up except the Tory.

    Following their leader's example.
  • Wonder if Labour would be polling higher or lower with a more 'conventional/palatable' leader? Is Corbyn an asset or liability? At the start of the campaign I would have said the latter but now I am not sure. What do people think?

    I think you raise an interesting point. I suspect that Corbyn's outsider status is attracting some of those who fall into the 'populist' camp,ie the more he is attacked by the political establishment the more some people feel like supporting him,despite him being a personal and political failure (a bit like some of the support for Trump or the Five Star people in Italy).
  • Which laws are they?
    I think he means back to the days of free speech
  • edited May 2017
    I wonder if the script she's reading says make strange facial expressions and pause for laughter?

    https://youtu.be/to3OHICF5VY
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