Dippenhall and Greenie please advise something positive from seven years of Tory rule. May called the election on Brexit issues but she won't say wether my German friend Heidi will have to return home, will CAP grants to farmers be maintained, employment laws protected, fishing rights changed and a thousand other issues. Uncosted vague promises. She is winging it.
In my opinion calling the referendum was a positive and I can also say ive never been out of work under Tory government, my industry is doing well and under Corbyns I can only see people being struck off due to the over zealous tax's imposed on business owners, that coupled with the £10 minimum wage concerns me hugely and I predict we'll see a lot of people out of work..
Although I'm not voting Tory so not sure why you've asked me that.
Hello - it's me, I'm back with the same question you refused to answer (three times) this time last year.
You said that EU workers were driving down wages in your industry, which was one of the reasons you were voting out. At the same time you repeated the mantra you have above, that you had never been doing so well as under the Tories. I asked you at the time how that could be, both could not be true. You ignored the question. You now state again that your whole industry is doing well. I ask again, how can both be true?
Hi Adele..
I actually thought I answered your question, as I remember it, so my apologies for not.
I didn't say I've never been doing so well as under the Tories (I've only ever worked under a Tory government) I said I've never been out of work under the Tories (true) and my industry is doing well (also true). I work with people everyday who were badly effected under the labour government and having to work for a ridiculously low wage, they say it's only just getting back to where it should be and they're very distrusting of labour and won't be voting for them.
In my time working in construction I've been undercut private work by teams of Eastern Europeans doing the job for ridiculous prices, countless times. We're not talking by the odd 50/100 quid we're talking a huge undercut.
As well as when working for the firm I subcontract to a team of Romanians came in and undercut me on a price that worked out around £80 a day, this lasted for about 4 months until they were sacked for being absolute shite.
Now these instances doesn't mean my industry isn't doing well, I do well enough, I'd like to take on more private work and eventually work for myself but as I say I get undercut, I still have work sub contracting every day earning decent money for my age.
The point I've always tried to make is that right now the English are being massively undercut by the Romanians/Bulgarians/Lithuanians etc. Then there were talks of the EU opening the doors to the Serbians and Macedonians, then what happens? They get into construction, under cut the Romanians/ Bulgarians/ Lithuanians. They then have to drop their prices and undercut the English workers even more, thus driving wages down in general in the industry. It's quite a vicious circle when you think about it.
Donn't get me wrong it's not all I've them, I've worked with a couple really good Eastern European blokes who charge competitive rates, but even they say we are full and more uncontrolled immigration will be bad for the industry.
Anyhow I hope the answer was worth the wait!
I work in construction, and have done under a Labour and Tory government, I get the immigration part but not the people who were badly affected by the Labour government and had to work for ridiculous wages, which is only just getting back to where it should be. Unless you mean pay freezes?
Dippenhall and Greenie please advise something positive from seven years of Tory rule. May called the election on Brexit issues but she won't say wether my German friend Heidi will have to return home, will CAP grants to farmers be maintained, employment laws protected, fishing rights changed and a thousand other issues. Uncosted vague promises. She is winging it.
In my opinion calling the referendum was a positive and I can also say ive never been out of work under Tory government, my industry is doing well and under Corbyns I can only see people being struck off due to the over zealous tax's imposed on business owners, that coupled with the £10 minimum wage concerns me hugely and I predict we'll see a lot of people out of work..
Although I'm not voting Tory so not sure why you've asked me that.
Hello - it's me, I'm back with the same question you refused to answer (three times) this time last year.
You said that EU workers were driving down wages in your industry, which was one of the reasons you were voting out. At the same time you repeated the mantra you have above, that you had never been doing so well as under the Tories. I asked you at the time how that could be, both could not be true. You ignored the question. You now state again that your whole industry is doing well. I ask again, how can both be true?
Hi Adele..
I actually thought I answered your question, as I remember it, so my apologies for not.
I didn't say I've never been doing so well as under the Tories (I've only ever worked under a Tory government) I said I've never been out of work under the Tories (true) and my industry is doing well (also true). I work with people everyday who were badly effected under the labour government and having to work for a ridiculously low wage, they say it's only just getting back to where it should be and they're very distrusting of labour and won't be voting for them.
In my time working in construction I've been undercut private work by teams of Eastern Europeans doing the job for ridiculous prices, countless times. We're not talking by the odd 50/100 quid we're talking a huge undercut.
As well as when working for the firm I subcontract to a team of Romanians came in and undercut me on a price that worked out around £80 a day, this lasted for about 4 months until they were sacked for being absolute shite.
Now these instances doesn't mean my industry isn't doing well, I do well enough, I'd like to take on more private work and eventually work for myself but as I say I get undercut, I still have work sub contracting every day earning decent money for my age.
The point I've always tried to make is that right now the English are being massively undercut by the Romanians/Bulgarians/Lithuanians etc. Then there were talks of the EU opening the doors to the Serbians and Macedonians, then what happens? They get into construction, under cut the Romanians/ Bulgarians/ Lithuanians. They then have to drop their prices and undercut the English workers even more, thus driving wages down in general in the industry. It's quite a vicious circle when you think about it.
Donn't get me wrong it's not all I've them, I've worked with a couple really good Eastern European blokes who charge competitive rates, but even they say we are full and more uncontrolled immigration will be bad for the industry.
Anyhow I hope the answer was worth the wait!
"Hi Adele" ? How old are you?
No - it's an evasive bullshit answer that contradict itself as it goes along, just as I expected.
Dippenhall and Greenie please advise something positive from seven years of Tory rule. May called the election on Brexit issues but she won't say wether my German friend Heidi will have to return home, will CAP grants to farmers be maintained, employment laws protected, fishing rights changed and a thousand other issues. Uncosted vague promises. She is winging it.
In my opinion calling the referendum was a positive and I can also say ive never been out of work under Tory government, my industry is doing well and under Corbyns I can only see people being struck off due to the over zealous tax's imposed on business owners, that coupled with the £10 minimum wage concerns me hugely and I predict we'll see a lot of people out of work..
Although I'm not voting Tory so not sure why you've asked me that.
Hello - it's me, I'm back with the same question you refused to answer (three times) this time last year.
You said that EU workers were driving down wages in your industry, which was one of the reasons you were voting out. At the same time you repeated the mantra you have above, that you had never been doing so well as under the Tories. I asked you at the time how that could be, both could not be true. You ignored the question. You now state again that your whole industry is doing well. I ask again, how can both be true?
Hi Adele..
I actually thought I answered your question, as I remember it, so my apologies for not.
I didn't say I've never been doing so well as under the Tories (I've only ever worked under a Tory government) I said I've never been out of work under the Tories (true) and my industry is doing well (also true). I work with people everyday who were badly effected under the labour government and having to work for a ridiculously low wage, they say it's only just getting back to where it should be and they're very distrusting of labour and won't be voting for them.
In my time working in construction I've been undercut private work by teams of Eastern Europeans doing the job for ridiculous prices, countless times. We're not talking by the odd 50/100 quid we're talking a huge undercut.
As well as when working for the firm I subcontract to a team of Romanians came in and undercut me on a price that worked out around £80 a day, this lasted for about 4 months until they were sacked for being absolute shite.
Now these instances doesn't mean my industry isn't doing well, I do well enough, I'd like to take on more private work and eventually work for myself but as I say I get undercut, I still have work sub contracting every day earning decent money for my age.
The point I've always tried to make is that right now the English are being massively undercut by the Romanians/Bulgarians/Lithuanians etc. Then there were talks of the EU opening the doors to the Serbians and Macedonians, then what happens? They get into construction, under cut the Romanians/ Bulgarians/ Lithuanians. They then have to drop their prices and undercut the English workers even more, thus driving wages down in general in the industry. It's quite a vicious circle when you think about it.
Donn't get me wrong it's not all I've them, I've worked with a couple really good Eastern European blokes who charge competitive rates, but even they say we are full and more uncontrolled immigration will be bad for the industry.
Anyhow I hope the answer was worth the wait!
I work in construction, and have done under a Labour and Tory government, I get the immigration part but not the people who were badly affected by the Labour government and had to work for ridiculous wages, which is only just getting back to where it should be. Unless you mean pay freezes?
Some of the people I worked with told me when shit hit the fan economy wise day rates were dropped to £100, which obviously is a pants day rate for a sparky. Obviously I'm open to being told different, I try to do my research which is why I asked people I work with what it was like under the last labour rule.
Dippenhall and Greenie please advise something positive from seven years of Tory rule. May called the election on Brexit issues but she won't say wether my German friend Heidi will have to return home, will CAP grants to farmers be maintained, employment laws protected, fishing rights changed and a thousand other issues. Uncosted vague promises. She is winging it.
In my opinion calling the referendum was a positive and I can also say ive never been out of work under Tory government, my industry is doing well and under Corbyns I can only see people being struck off due to the over zealous tax's imposed on business owners, that coupled with the £10 minimum wage concerns me hugely and I predict we'll see a lot of people out of work..
Although I'm not voting Tory so not sure why you've asked me that.
Hello - it's me, I'm back with the same question you refused to answer (three times) this time last year.
You said that EU workers were driving down wages in your industry, which was one of the reasons you were voting out. At the same time you repeated the mantra you have above, that you had never been doing so well as under the Tories. I asked you at the time how that could be, both could not be true. You ignored the question. You now state again that your whole industry is doing well. I ask again, how can both be true?
Hi Adele..
I actually thought I answered your question, as I remember it, so my apologies for not.
I didn't say I've never been doing so well as under the Tories (I've only ever worked under a Tory government) I said I've never been out of work under the Tories (true) and my industry is doing well (also true). I work with people everyday who were badly effected under the labour government and having to work for a ridiculously low wage, they say it's only just getting back to where it should be and they're very distrusting of labour and won't be voting for them.
In my time working in construction I've been undercut private work by teams of Eastern Europeans doing the job for ridiculous prices, countless times. We're not talking by the odd 50/100 quid we're talking a huge undercut.
As well as when working for the firm I subcontract to a team of Romanians came in and undercut me on a price that worked out around £80 a day, this lasted for about 4 months until they were sacked for being absolute shite.
Now these instances doesn't mean my industry isn't doing well, I do well enough, I'd like to take on more private work and eventually work for myself but as I say I get undercut, I still have work sub contracting every day earning decent money for my age.
The point I've always tried to make is that right now the English are being massively undercut by the Romanians/Bulgarians/Lithuanians etc. Then there were talks of the EU opening the doors to the Serbians and Macedonians, then what happens? They get into construction, under cut the Romanians/ Bulgarians/ Lithuanians. They then have to drop their prices and undercut the English workers even more, thus driving wages down in general in the industry. It's quite a vicious circle when you think about it.
Donn't get me wrong it's not all I've them, I've worked with a couple really good Eastern European blokes who charge competitive rates, but even they say we are full and more uncontrolled immigration will be bad for the industry.
Anyhow I hope the answer was worth the wait!
"Hi Adele" ? How old are you?
No - it's an evasive bullshit answer that contradict itself as it goes along, just as I expected.
It was in reference to your first line, it was either that or 'hi strange man craving attention on an internet forum', so I went for the lighthearted one.
You look a bit silly here, not once have I evaded your question, and none of its bullshit or contradicts itself, you're a pretty smart bloke from what I've read but you're coming across a bit stupid/ignorant here. Just cos things don't effect you doesn't mean they're not happening ffs
Some of the people I worked with told me when shit hit the fan economy wise day rates were dropped to £100, which obviously is a pants day rate for a sparky. Obviously I'm open to being told different, I try to do my research which is why I asked people I work with what it was like under the last labour rule.
The only way that can be seen as Labour's fault though is if you truly believe they somehow caused the global financial crisis.
Dippenhall and Greenie please advise something positive from seven years of Tory rule. May called the election on Brexit issues but she won't say wether my German friend Heidi will have to return home, will CAP grants to farmers be maintained, employment laws protected, fishing rights changed and a thousand other issues. Uncosted vague promises. She is winging it.
In my opinion calling the referendum was a positive and I can also say ive never been out of work under Tory government, my industry is doing well and under Corbyns I can only see people being struck off due to the over zealous tax's imposed on business owners, that coupled with the £10 minimum wage concerns me hugely and I predict we'll see a lot of people out of work..
Although I'm not voting Tory so not sure why you've asked me that.
Hello - it's me, I'm back with the same question you refused to answer (three times) this time last year.
You said that EU workers were driving down wages in your industry, which was one of the reasons you were voting out. At the same time you repeated the mantra you have above, that you had never been doing so well as under the Tories. I asked you at the time how that could be, both could not be true. You ignored the question. You now state again that your whole industry is doing well. I ask again, how can both be true?
Hi Adele..
I actually thought I answered your question, as I remember it, so my apologies for not.
I didn't say I've never been doing so well as under the Tories (I've only ever worked under a Tory government) I said I've never been out of work under the Tories (true) and my industry is doing well (also true). I work with people everyday who were badly effected under the labour government and having to work for a ridiculously low wage, they say it's only just getting back to where it should be and they're very distrusting of labour and won't be voting for them.
In my time working in construction I've been undercut private work by teams of Eastern Europeans doing the job for ridiculous prices, countless times. We're not talking by the odd 50/100 quid we're talking a huge undercut.
As well as when working for the firm I subcontract to a team of Romanians came in and undercut me on a price that worked out around £80 a day, this lasted for about 4 months until they were sacked for being absolute shite.
Now these instances doesn't mean my industry isn't doing well, I do well enough, I'd like to take on more private work and eventually work for myself but as I say I get undercut, I still have work sub contracting every day earning decent money for my age.
The point I've always tried to make is that right now the English are being massively undercut by the Romanians/Bulgarians/Lithuanians etc. Then there were talks of the EU opening the doors to the Serbians and Macedonians, then what happens? They get into construction, under cut the Romanians/ Bulgarians/ Lithuanians. They then have to drop their prices and undercut the English workers even more, thus driving wages down in general in the industry. It's quite a vicious circle when you think about it.
Donn't get me wrong it's not all I've them, I've worked with a couple really good Eastern European blokes who charge competitive rates, but even they say we are full and more uncontrolled immigration will be bad for the industry.
Anyhow I hope the answer was worth the wait!
I work in construction, and have done under a Labour and Tory government, I get the immigration part but not the people who were badly affected by the Labour government and had to work for ridiculous wages, which is only just getting back to where it should be. Unless you mean pay freezes?
Some of the people I worked with told me when shit hit the fan economy wise day rates were dropped to £100, which obviously is a pants day rate for a sparky. Obviously I'm open to being told different, I try to do my research which is why I asked people I work with what it was like under the last labour rule.
Fair enough, could argue how much that was to do with the labour government and the worldwide recession. By the way I know some sparks earning £27/hour now.
I really really hope the other parties recognise they are only also-rans in this race and don't beleaguer Corbyn over pointless point-scoring that will only serve to pave the way back to Number 10 for Mayhem and her swivel-eyed merry men.
Edit I just realised Amber Rudd is also going to be there. She will hopefully serve as a useful lightning rod for the others to converge on.
Dippenhall and Greenie please advise something positive from seven years of Tory rule. May called the election on Brexit issues but she won't say wether my German friend Heidi will have to return home, will CAP grants to farmers be maintained, employment laws protected, fishing rights changed and a thousand other issues. Uncosted vague promises. She is winging it.
In my opinion calling the referendum was a positive and I can also say ive never been out of work under Tory government, my industry is doing well and under Corbyns I can only see people being struck off due to the over zealous tax's imposed on business owners, that coupled with the £10 minimum wage concerns me hugely and I predict we'll see a lot of people out of work..
Although I'm not voting Tory so not sure why you've asked me that.
Hello - it's me, I'm back with the same question you refused to answer (three times) this time last year.
You said that EU workers were driving down wages in your industry, which was one of the reasons you were voting out. At the same time you repeated the mantra you have above, that you had never been doing so well as under the Tories. I asked you at the time how that could be, both could not be true. You ignored the question. You now state again that your whole industry is doing well. I ask again, how can both be true?
Hi Adele..
I actually thought I answered your question, as I remember it, so my apologies for not.
I didn't say I've never been doing so well as under the Tories (I've only ever worked under a Tory government) I said I've never been out of work under the Tories (true) and my industry is doing well (also true). I work with people everyday who were badly effected under the labour government and having to work for a ridiculously low wage, they say it's only just getting back to where it should be and they're very distrusting of labour and won't be voting for them.
In my time working in construction I've been undercut private work by teams of Eastern Europeans doing the job for ridiculous prices, countless times. We're not talking by the odd 50/100 quid we're talking a huge undercut.
As well as when working for the firm I subcontract to a team of Romanians came in and undercut me on a price that worked out around £80 a day, this lasted for about 4 months until they were sacked for being absolute shite.
Now these instances doesn't mean my industry isn't doing well, I do well enough, I'd like to take on more private work and eventually work for myself but as I say I get undercut, I still have work sub contracting every day earning decent money for my age.
The point I've always tried to make is that right now the English are being massively undercut by the Romanians/Bulgarians/Lithuanians etc. Then there were talks of the EU opening the doors to the Serbians and Macedonians, then what happens? They get into construction, under cut the Romanians/ Bulgarians/ Lithuanians. They then have to drop their prices and undercut the English workers even more, thus driving wages down in general in the industry. It's quite a vicious circle when you think about it.
Donn't get me wrong it's not all I've them, I've worked with a couple really good Eastern European blokes who charge competitive rates, but even they say we are full and more uncontrolled immigration will be bad for the industry.
Anyhow I hope the answer was worth the wait!
"Hi Adele" ? How old are you?
No - it's an evasive bullshit answer that contradict itself as it goes along, just as I expected.
Didn't get that Adele reference but I look forward to @Greenie Junior telling me if he agrees or not with many 100,000's of public sector workers losing their jobs in order to prop up the Tories financial mismanagement (and their policies have definitely failed otherwise we would have been running the much promised surplus NOW...and not hoping it might happen in the middle of the next decade as they're now saying).
Are we still waiting for someone on here to tell us something positive that the Tories have achieved in the last 7 years? Just over a week to go to the big day.....
Allow me to give you a real sample experience, that although not what happens every time, has happened enough to make me disregard the nationality of a tradesperson. Boiler service with a British plumber when i was more ignorant and more trusting. Bloke turns up, takes off the front of the boiler, operates it here and there, gets a brush and brushes the burners. Puts it back together and then suggests £90 cash as payment. Boiler service with a Polish plumber. Turns up as arranged. Voluntarily shows me his qualifications. gets into the boiler virtually dismantling it, pouring away what i took to be some water overflow in a chamber, tests and adjusts everything using gadgets and meters. Balances the water pressure to the dials. Runs the hot water for a while under a thermometer to check consistency of temperature. Turns on the central heating and checks how all the radiators in the house are doing. Charges £75 and insists giving me a printed receipt containing contact details, with copies in a record book of his own. Probably very wrongly, my view of tradespeople be they electricians, plumbers or what not, has been completely coloured by the number of experiences I have had with corner cutting rip off cowboys. I am not inclined to trust any of them just on what they say. Decent tradespeople have been undermined by the sheer number of micky takers that have wormed there way into their lines of work. I am very glad that in the EU the field has been opened up, and there is a wider choice available and a better chance of finding somebody who does a good job.
Dippenhall and Greenie please advise something positive from seven years of Tory rule. May called the election on Brexit issues but she won't say wether my German friend Heidi will have to return home, will CAP grants to farmers be maintained, employment laws protected, fishing rights changed and a thousand other issues. Uncosted vague promises. She is winging it.
In my opinion calling the referendum was a positive and I can also say ive never been out of work under Tory government, my industry is doing well and under Corbyns I can only see people being struck off due to the over zealous tax's imposed on business owners, that coupled with the £10 minimum wage concerns me hugely and I predict we'll see a lot of people out of work..
Although I'm not voting Tory so not sure why you've asked me that.
Hello - it's me, I'm back with the same question you refused to answer (three times) this time last year.
You said that EU workers were driving down wages in your industry, which was one of the reasons you were voting out. At the same time you repeated the mantra you have above, that you had never been doing so well as under the Tories. I asked you at the time how that could be, both could not be true. You ignored the question. You now state again that your whole industry is doing well. I ask again, how can both be true?
Hi Adele..
I actually thought I answered your question, as I remember it, so my apologies for not.
I didn't say I've never been doing so well as under the Tories (I've only ever worked under a Tory government) I said I've never been out of work under the Tories (true) and my industry is doing well (also true). I work with people everyday who were badly effected under the labour government and having to work for a ridiculously low wage, they say it's only just getting back to where it should be and they're very distrusting of labour and won't be voting for them.
In my time working in construction I've been undercut private work by teams of Eastern Europeans doing the job for ridiculous prices, countless times. We're not talking by the odd 50/100 quid we're talking a huge undercut.
As well as when working for the firm I subcontract to a team of Romanians came in and undercut me on a price that worked out around £80 a day, this lasted for about 4 months until they were sacked for being absolute shite.
Now these instances doesn't mean my industry isn't doing well, I do well enough, I'd like to take on more private work and eventually work for myself but as I say I get undercut, I still have work sub contracting every day earning decent money for my age.
The point I've always tried to make is that right now the English are being massively undercut by the Romanians/Bulgarians/Lithuanians etc. Then there were talks of the EU opening the doors to the Serbians and Macedonians, then what happens? They get into construction, under cut the Romanians/ Bulgarians/ Lithuanians. They then have to drop their prices and undercut the English workers even more, thus driving wages down in general in the industry. It's quite a vicious circle when you think about it.
Donn't get me wrong it's not all I've them, I've worked with a couple really good Eastern European blokes who charge competitive rates, but even they say we are full and more uncontrolled immigration will be bad for the industry.
Anyhow I hope the answer was worth the wait!
"Hi Adele" ? How old are you?
No - it's an evasive bullshit answer that contradict itself as it goes along, just as I expected.
It was in reference to your first line, it was either that or 'hi strange man craving attention on an internet forum', so I went for the lighthearted one.
You look a bit silly here, not once have I evaded your question, and none of its bullshit or contradicts itself, you're a pretty smart bloke from what I've read but you're coming across a bit stupid/ignorant here. Just cos things don't effect you doesn't mean they're not happening ffs
You evaded it three times last year!
Missed the Adele joke - sorry about that, fair dos...
Are we still waiting for someone on here to tell us something positive that the Tories have achieved in the last 7 years? Just over a week to go to the big day.....
Corbyn should've let them start the debate and then have his theme blare on quarter of the way through as it looks like sturgeon is clearing up as he walks down through the audience with David dimbleby going "BY GAWD HE WASNT SCHEDULED TO APPEAR BUT HES IN THE BUILDING"
Dippenhall and Greenie please advise something positive from seven years of Tory rule. May called the election on Brexit issues but she won't say wether my German friend Heidi will have to return home, will CAP grants to farmers be maintained, employment laws protected, fishing rights changed and a thousand other issues. Uncosted vague promises. She is winging it.
In my opinion calling the referendum was a positive and I can also say ive never been out of work under Tory government, my industry is doing well and under Corbyns I can only see people being struck off due to the over zealous tax's imposed on business owners, that coupled with the £10 minimum wage concerns me hugely and I predict we'll see a lot of people out of work..
Although I'm not voting Tory so not sure why you've asked me that.
Hello - it's me, I'm back with the same question you refused to answer (three times) this time last year.
You said that EU workers were driving down wages in your industry, which was one of the reasons you were voting out. At the same time you repeated the mantra you have above, that you had never been doing so well as under the Tories. I asked you at the time how that could be, both could not be true. You ignored the question. You now state again that your whole industry is doing well. I ask again, how can both be true?
Hi Adele..
I actually thought I answered your question, as I remember it, so my apologies for not.
I didn't say I've never been doing so well as under the Tories (I've only ever worked under a Tory government) I said I've never been out of work under the Tories (true) and my industry is doing well (also true). I work with people everyday who were badly effected under the labour government and having to work for a ridiculously low wage, they say it's only just getting back to where it should be and they're very distrusting of labour and won't be voting for them.
In my time working in construction I've been undercut private work by teams of Eastern Europeans doing the job for ridiculous prices, countless times. We're not talking by the odd 50/100 quid we're talking a huge undercut.
As well as when working for the firm I subcontract to a team of Romanians came in and undercut me on a price that worked out around £80 a day, this lasted for about 4 months until they were sacked for being absolute shite.
Now these instances doesn't mean my industry isn't doing well, I do well enough, I'd like to take on more private work and eventually work for myself but as I say I get undercut, I still have work sub contracting every day earning decent money for my age.
The point I've always tried to make is that right now the English are being massively undercut by the Romanians/Bulgarians/Lithuanians etc. Then there were talks of the EU opening the doors to the Serbians and Macedonians, then what happens? They get into construction, under cut the Romanians/ Bulgarians/ Lithuanians. They then have to drop their prices and undercut the English workers even more, thus driving wages down in general in the industry. It's quite a vicious circle when you think about it.
Donn't get me wrong it's not all I've them, I've worked with a couple really good Eastern European blokes who charge competitive rates, but even they say we are full and more uncontrolled immigration will be bad for the industry.
Anyhow I hope the answer was worth the wait!
"Hi Adele" ? How old are you?
No - it's an evasive bullshit answer that contradict itself as it goes along, just as I expected.
Didn't get that Adele reference but I look forward to @Greenie Junior telling me if he agrees or not with many 100,000's of public sector workers losing their jobs in order to prop up the Tories financial mismanagement (and their policies have definitely failed otherwise we would have been running the much promised surplus NOW...and not hoping it might happen in the middle of the next decade as they're now saying).
'Hello...it's me' is the opening line to one of her best selling songs.
I got caught up with mr 'Hello it's me' that I missed your question so apologies, no of course I don't agree with people losing their jobs due to cuts, however I do realise that sometimes these cuts have to happen.
Allow me to give you a real sample experience, that although not what happens every time, has happened enough to make me disregard the nationality of a tradesperson. Boiler service with a British plumber when i was more ignorant and more trusting. Bloke turns up, takes off the front of the boiler, operates it here and there, gets a brush and brushes the burners. Puts it back together and then suggests £90 cash as payment. Boiler service with a Polish plumber. Turns up as arranged. Voluntarily shows me his qualifications. gets into the boiler virtually dismantling it, pouring away what i took to be some water overflow in a chamber, tests and adjusts everything using gadgets and meters. Balances the water pressure to the dials. Runs the hot water for a while under a thermometer to check consistency of temperature. Turns on the central heating and checks how all the radiators in the house are doing. Charges £75 and insists giving me a printed receipt containing contact details, with copies in a record book of his own. Probably very wrongly, my view of tradespeople be they electricians, plumbers or what not, has been completely coloured by the number of experiences I have had with corner cutting rip off cowboys. I am not inclined to trust any of them just on what they say. Decent tradespeople have been undermined by the sheer number of micky takers that have wormed there way into their lines of work. I am very glad that in the EU the field has been opened up, and there is a wider choice available and a better chance of finding somebody who does a good job.
I have to say there's a certain irony in those involved in the building trade complaining about the free market and supply and demand. I'm sure they are all very keen to freeze their prices when their skills are in demand if course... ;-)
Corbyn should've let them start the debate and then have his theme blare on quarter of the way through as it looks like sturgeon is clearing up as he walks down through the audience with David dimbleby going "BY GAWD HE WASNT SCHEDULED TO APPEAR BUT HES IN THE BUILDING"
Dippenhall and Greenie please advise something positive from seven years of Tory rule. May called the election on Brexit issues but she won't say wether my German friend Heidi will have to return home, will CAP grants to farmers be maintained, employment laws protected, fishing rights changed and a thousand other issues. Uncosted vague promises. She is winging it.
In my opinion calling the referendum was a positive and I can also say ive never been out of work under Tory government, my industry is doing well and under Corbyns I can only see people being struck off due to the over zealous tax's imposed on business owners, that coupled with the £10 minimum wage concerns me hugely and I predict we'll see a lot of people out of work..
Although I'm not voting Tory so not sure why you've asked me that.
Hello - it's me, I'm back with the same question you refused to answer (three times) this time last year.
You said that EU workers were driving down wages in your industry, which was one of the reasons you were voting out. At the same time you repeated the mantra you have above, that you had never been doing so well as under the Tories. I asked you at the time how that could be, both could not be true. You ignored the question. You now state again that your whole industry is doing well. I ask again, how can both be true?
Hi Adele..
I actually thought I answered your question, as I remember it, so my apologies for not.
I didn't say I've never been doing so well as under the Tories (I've only ever worked under a Tory government) I said I've never been out of work under the Tories (true) and my industry is doing well (also true). I work with people everyday who were badly effected under the labour government and having to work for a ridiculously low wage, they say it's only just getting back to where it should be and they're very distrusting of labour and won't be voting for them.
In my time working in construction I've been undercut private work by teams of Eastern Europeans doing the job for ridiculous prices, countless times. We're not talking by the odd 50/100 quid we're talking a huge undercut.
As well as when working for the firm I subcontract to a team of Romanians came in and undercut me on a price that worked out around £80 a day, this lasted for about 4 months until they were sacked for being absolute shite.
Now these instances doesn't mean my industry isn't doing well, I do well enough, I'd like to take on more private work and eventually work for myself but as I say I get undercut, I still have work sub contracting every day earning decent money for my age.
The point I've always tried to make is that right now the English are being massively undercut by the Romanians/Bulgarians/Lithuanians etc. Then there were talks of the EU opening the doors to the Serbians and Macedonians, then what happens? They get into construction, under cut the Romanians/ Bulgarians/ Lithuanians. They then have to drop their prices and undercut the English workers even more, thus driving wages down in general in the industry. It's quite a vicious circle when you think about it.
Donn't get me wrong it's not all I've them, I've worked with a couple really good Eastern European blokes who charge competitive rates, but even they say we are full and more uncontrolled immigration will be bad for the industry.
Anyhow I hope the answer was worth the wait!
I work in construction, and have done under a Labour and Tory government, I get the immigration part but not the people who were badly affected by the Labour government and had to work for ridiculous wages, which is only just getting back to where it should be. Unless you mean pay freezes?
Some of the people I worked with told me when shit hit the fan economy wise day rates were dropped to £100, which obviously is a pants day rate for a sparky. Obviously I'm open to being told different, I try to do my research which is why I asked people I work with what it was like under the last labour rule.
Fair enough, could argue how much that was to do with the labour government and the worldwide recession. By the way I know some sparks earning £27/hour now.
i can only really go by what information I've found out about those times as I wasn't of working age then. And yes mate so do I and people on more than that, as I say it's doing well now and fingers crossed can continue.
Corbyn should've let them start the debate and then have his theme blare on quarter of the way through as it looks like sturgeon is clearing up as he walks down through the audience with David dimbleby going "BY GAWD HE WASNT SCHEDULED TO APPEAR BUT HES IN THE BUILDING"
Ha, you watch too much wrestling!
"JR he's got the steel chair! Please don't let this happen."
Postal ballot just sent. As with most expats it has been awful to see how much damage the Conservatives have done to the UK's reputation abroad, as well as seeing how the severe underfunding at home has been affecting the UK's most vulnerable. No fan of Corbyn but hoping that at the least this election gives a bloody nose to May to show her that most of the country don't think like her or her masters.
Postal ballot just sent. As with most expats it has been awful to see how much damage the Conservatives have done to the UK's reputation abroad, as well as seeing how the severe underfunding at home has been affecting the UK's most vulnerable. No fan of Corbyn but hoping that at the least this election gives a bloody nose to May to show her that most of the country don't think like her or her masters.
I think you'll find primarily it was the majority of the British public.
Dippenhall and Greenie please advise something positive from seven years of Tory rule. May called the election on Brexit issues but she won't say wether my German friend Heidi will have to return home, will CAP grants to farmers be maintained, employment laws protected, fishing rights changed and a thousand other issues. Uncosted vague promises. She is winging it.
In my opinion calling the referendum was a positive and I can also say ive never been out of work under Tory government, my industry is doing well and under Corbyns I can only see people being struck off due to the over zealous tax's imposed on business owners, that coupled with the £10 minimum wage concerns me hugely and I predict we'll see a lot of people out of work..
Although I'm not voting Tory so not sure why you've asked me that.
Hello - it's me, I'm back with the same question you refused to answer (three times) this time last year.
You said that EU workers were driving down wages in your industry, which was one of the reasons you were voting out. At the same time you repeated the mantra you have above, that you had never been doing so well as under the Tories. I asked you at the time how that could be, both could not be true. You ignored the question. You now state again that your whole industry is doing well. I ask again, how can both be true?
Hi Adele..
I actually thought I answered your question, as I remember it, so my apologies for not.
I didn't say I've never been doing so well as under the Tories (I've only ever worked under a Tory government) I said I've never been out of work under the Tories (true) and my industry is doing well (also true). I work with people everyday who were badly effected under the labour government and having to work for a ridiculously low wage, they say it's only just getting back to where it should be and they're very distrusting of labour and won't be voting for them.
In my time working in construction I've been undercut private work by teams of Eastern Europeans doing the job for ridiculous prices, countless times. We're not talking by the odd 50/100 quid we're talking a huge undercut.
As well as when working for the firm I subcontract to a team of Romanians came in and undercut me on a price that worked out around £80 a day, this lasted for about 4 months until they were sacked for being absolute shite.
Now these instances doesn't mean my industry isn't doing well, I do well enough, I'd like to take on more private work and eventually work for myself but as I say I get undercut, I still have work sub contracting every day earning decent money for my age.
The point I've always tried to make is that right now the English are being massively undercut by the Romanians/Bulgarians/Lithuanians etc. Then there were talks of the EU opening the doors to the Serbians and Macedonians, then what happens? They get into construction, under cut the Romanians/ Bulgarians/ Lithuanians. They then have to drop their prices and undercut the English workers even more, thus driving wages down in general in the industry. It's quite a vicious circle when you think about it.
Donn't get me wrong it's not all I've them, I've worked with a couple really good Eastern European blokes who charge competitive rates, but even they say we are full and more uncontrolled immigration will be bad for the industry.
Anyhow I hope the answer was worth the wait!
"Hi Adele" ? How old are you?
No - it's an evasive bullshit answer that contradict itself as it goes along, just as I expected.
Didn't get that Adele reference but I look forward to @Greenie Junior telling me if he agrees or not with many 100,000's of public sector workers losing their jobs in order to prop up the Tories financial mismanagement (and their policies have definitely failed otherwise we would have been running the much promised surplus NOW...and not hoping it might happen in the middle of the next decade as they're now saying).
'Hello...it's me' is the opening line to one of her best selling songs.
I got caught up with mr 'Hello it's me' that I missed your question so apologies, no of course I don't agree with people losing their jobs due to cuts, however I do realise that sometimes these cuts have to happen.
So many of these cuts have been unnecessary though.
Tories chose to cut public sector jobs and issue pay freezes. All the while, they dropped corporation tax from 28% to 20% and they plan to go even lower.
The Tories priorities are not with normal, hard-working people. They never have been and they haven't changed.
Dippenhall and Greenie please advise something positive from seven years of Tory rule. May called the election on Brexit issues but she won't say wether my German friend Heidi will have to return home, will CAP grants to farmers be maintained, employment laws protected, fishing rights changed and a thousand other issues. Uncosted vague promises. She is winging it.
In my opinion calling the referendum was a positive and I can also say ive never been out of work under Tory government, my industry is doing well and under Corbyns I can only see people being struck off due to the over zealous tax's imposed on business owners, that coupled with the £10 minimum wage concerns me hugely and I predict we'll see a lot of people out of work..
Although I'm not voting Tory so not sure why you've asked me that.
Hello - it's me, I'm back with the same question you refused to answer (three times) this time last year.
You said that EU workers were driving down wages in your industry, which was one of the reasons you were voting out. At the same time you repeated the mantra you have above, that you had never been doing so well as under the Tories. I asked you at the time how that could be, both could not be true. You ignored the question. You now state again that your whole industry is doing well. I ask again, how can both be true?
Hi Adele..
I actually thought I answered your question, as I remember it, so my apologies for not.
I didn't say I've never been doing so well as under the Tories (I've only ever worked under a Tory government) I said I've never been out of work under the Tories (true) and my industry is doing well (also true). I work with people everyday who were badly effected under the labour government and having to work for a ridiculously low wage, they say it's only just getting back to where it should be and they're very distrusting of labour and won't be voting for them.
In my time working in construction I've been undercut private work by teams of Eastern Europeans doing the job for ridiculous prices, countless times. We're not talking by the odd 50/100 quid we're talking a huge undercut.
As well as when working for the firm I subcontract to a team of Romanians came in and undercut me on a price that worked out around £80 a day, this lasted for about 4 months until they were sacked for being absolute shite.
Now these instances doesn't mean my industry isn't doing well, I do well enough, I'd like to take on more private work and eventually work for myself but as I say I get undercut, I still have work sub contracting every day earning decent money for my age.
The point I've always tried to make is that right now the English are being massively undercut by the Romanians/Bulgarians/Lithuanians etc. Then there were talks of the EU opening the doors to the Serbians and Macedonians, then what happens? They get into construction, under cut the Romanians/ Bulgarians/ Lithuanians. They then have to drop their prices and undercut the English workers even more, thus driving wages down in general in the industry. It's quite a vicious circle when you think about it.
Donn't get me wrong it's not all I've them, I've worked with a couple really good Eastern European blokes who charge competitive rates, but even they say we are full and more uncontrolled immigration will be bad for the industry.
Anyhow I hope the answer was worth the wait!
"Hi Adele" ? How old are you?
No - it's an evasive bullshit answer that contradict itself as it goes along, just as I expected.
Didn't get that Adele reference but I look forward to @Greenie Junior telling me if he agrees or not with many 100,000's of public sector workers losing their jobs in order to prop up the Tories financial mismanagement (and their policies have definitely failed otherwise we would have been running the much promised surplus NOW...and not hoping it might happen in the middle of the next decade as they're now saying).
'Hello...it's me' is the opening line to one of her best selling songs.
I got caught up with mr 'Hello it's me' that I missed your question so apologies, no of course I don't agree with people losing their jobs due to cuts, however I do realise that sometimes these cuts have to happen.
So many of these cuts have been unnecessary though.
Tories chose to cut public sector jobs and issue pay freezes. While they dropped corporation tax from 28% to 20% and they plan to go even lower.
The Tories priorities are not with normal, hard-working people. They never have been and they haven't changed.
One might argue that companies will leave the UK and thus create further unemployment were the corporate taxes made higher?
I don't think that's the case as we're losing jobs to Poland etc (Nestle or Cadbury's was it shipped 400 plus jobs) despite reducing corporation tax.
When your backs up against the wall, you're live one air and you just can't for the life of you remember the pass word to the fookin Ipad, remember these mortal two words - COORPERATION TAX -
What is better, a little bit of lot, or nothing at all?
Dippenhall and Greenie please advise something positive from seven years of Tory rule. May called the election on Brexit issues but she won't say wether my German friend Heidi will have to return home, will CAP grants to farmers be maintained, employment laws protected, fishing rights changed and a thousand other issues. Uncosted vague promises. She is winging it.
In my opinion calling the referendum was a positive and I can also say ive never been out of work under Tory government, my industry is doing well and under Corbyns I can only see people being struck off due to the over zealous tax's imposed on business owners, that coupled with the £10 minimum wage concerns me hugely and I predict we'll see a lot of people out of work..
Although I'm not voting Tory so not sure why you've asked me that.
Hello - it's me, I'm back with the same question you refused to answer (three times) this time last year.
You said that EU workers were driving down wages in your industry, which was one of the reasons you were voting out. At the same time you repeated the mantra you have above, that you had never been doing so well as under the Tories. I asked you at the time how that could be, both could not be true. You ignored the question. You now state again that your whole industry is doing well. I ask again, how can both be true?
Hi Adele..
I actually thought I answered your question, as I remember it, so my apologies for not.
I didn't say I've never been doing so well as under the Tories (I've only ever worked under a Tory government) I said I've never been out of work under the Tories (true) and my industry is doing well (also true). I work with people everyday who were badly effected under the labour government and having to work for a ridiculously low wage, they say it's only just getting back to where it should be and they're very distrusting of labour and won't be voting for them.
In my time working in construction I've been undercut private work by teams of Eastern Europeans doing the job for ridiculous prices, countless times. We're not talking by the odd 50/100 quid we're talking a huge undercut.
As well as when working for the firm I subcontract to a team of Romanians came in and undercut me on a price that worked out around £80 a day, this lasted for about 4 months until they were sacked for being absolute shite.
Now these instances doesn't mean my industry isn't doing well, I do well enough, I'd like to take on more private work and eventually work for myself but as I say I get undercut, I still have work sub contracting every day earning decent money for my age.
The point I've always tried to make is that right now the English are being massively undercut by the Romanians/Bulgarians/Lithuanians etc. Then there were talks of the EU opening the doors to the Serbians and Macedonians, then what happens? They get into construction, under cut the Romanians/ Bulgarians/ Lithuanians. They then have to drop their prices and undercut the English workers even more, thus driving wages down in general in the industry. It's quite a vicious circle when you think about it.
Donn't get me wrong it's not all I've them, I've worked with a couple really good Eastern European blokes who charge competitive rates, but even they say we are full and more uncontrolled immigration will be bad for the industry.
Anyhow I hope the answer was worth the wait!
"Hi Adele" ? How old are you?
No - it's an evasive bullshit answer that contradict itself as it goes along, just as I expected.
Didn't get that Adele reference but I look forward to @Greenie Junior telling me if he agrees or not with many 100,000's of public sector workers losing their jobs in order to prop up the Tories financial mismanagement (and their policies have definitely failed otherwise we would have been running the much promised surplus NOW...and not hoping it might happen in the middle of the next decade as they're now saying).
'Hello...it's me' is the opening line to one of her best selling songs.
I got caught up with mr 'Hello it's me' that I missed your question so apologies, no of course I don't agree with people losing their jobs due to cuts, however I do realise that sometimes these cuts have to happen.
So many of these cuts have been unnecessary though.
Tories chose to cut public sector jobs and issue pay freezes. While they dropped corporation tax from 28% to 20% and they plan to go even lower.
The Tories priorities are not with normal, hard-working people. They never have been and they haven't changed.
One might argue that companies will leave the UK and thus create further unemployment were the corporate taxes made higher?
I don't think that's the case as we're losing jobs to Poland etc (Nestle or Cadbury's was it shipped 400 plus jobs) despite reducing corporation tax.
That's the Tories argument but I don't see any sense in it. If that's the case, why aren't the other G7 countries struggling?
Dippenhall and Greenie please advise something positive from seven years of Tory rule. May called the election on Brexit issues but she won't say wether my German friend Heidi will have to return home, will CAP grants to farmers be maintained, employment laws protected, fishing rights changed and a thousand other issues. Uncosted vague promises. She is winging it.
In my opinion calling the referendum was a positive and I can also say ive never been out of work under Tory government, my industry is doing well and under Corbyns I can only see people being struck off due to the over zealous tax's imposed on business owners, that coupled with the £10 minimum wage concerns me hugely and I predict we'll see a lot of people out of work..
Although I'm not voting Tory so not sure why you've asked me that.
Hello - it's me, I'm back with the same question you refused to answer (three times) this time last year.
You said that EU workers were driving down wages in your industry, which was one of the reasons you were voting out. At the same time you repeated the mantra you have above, that you had never been doing so well as under the Tories. I asked you at the time how that could be, both could not be true. You ignored the question. You now state again that your whole industry is doing well. I ask again, how can both be true?
Hi Adele..
I actually thought I answered your question, as I remember it, so my apologies for not.
I didn't say I've never been doing so well as under the Tories (I've only ever worked under a Tory government) I said I've never been out of work under the Tories (true) and my industry is doing well (also true). I work with people everyday who were badly effected under the labour government and having to work for a ridiculously low wage, they say it's only just getting back to where it should be and they're very distrusting of labour and won't be voting for them.
In my time working in construction I've been undercut private work by teams of Eastern Europeans doing the job for ridiculous prices, countless times. We're not talking by the odd 50/100 quid we're talking a huge undercut.
As well as when working for the firm I subcontract to a team of Romanians came in and undercut me on a price that worked out around £80 a day, this lasted for about 4 months until they were sacked for being absolute shite.
Now these instances doesn't mean my industry isn't doing well, I do well enough, I'd like to take on more private work and eventually work for myself but as I say I get undercut, I still have work sub contracting every day earning decent money for my age.
The point I've always tried to make is that right now the English are being massively undercut by the Romanians/Bulgarians/Lithuanians etc. Then there were talks of the EU opening the doors to the Serbians and Macedonians, then what happens? They get into construction, under cut the Romanians/ Bulgarians/ Lithuanians. They then have to drop their prices and undercut the English workers even more, thus driving wages down in general in the industry. It's quite a vicious circle when you think about it.
Donn't get me wrong it's not all I've them, I've worked with a couple really good Eastern European blokes who charge competitive rates, but even they say we are full and more uncontrolled immigration will be bad for the industry.
Anyhow I hope the answer was worth the wait!
"Hi Adele" ? How old are you?
No - it's an evasive bullshit answer that contradict itself as it goes along, just as I expected.
Didn't get that Adele reference but I look forward to @Greenie Junior telling me if he agrees or not with many 100,000's of public sector workers losing their jobs in order to prop up the Tories financial mismanagement (and their policies have definitely failed otherwise we would have been running the much promised surplus NOW...and not hoping it might happen in the middle of the next decade as they're now saying).
'Hello...it's me' is the opening line to one of her best selling songs.
I got caught up with mr 'Hello it's me' that I missed your question so apologies, no of course I don't agree with people losing their jobs due to cuts, however I do realise that sometimes these cuts have to happen.
So many of these cuts have been unnecessary though.
Tories chose to cut public sector jobs and issue pay freezes. All the while, they dropped corporation tax from 28% to 20% and they plan to go even lower.
The Tories priorities are not with normal, hard-working people. They never have been and they haven't changed.
I personally think that with the corporation tax thing, due to uncertainty in this country, Brexit, the next election etc, that doing all we can to keep these big corporations doing business and giving to our economy is the right thing. These big business are the people that employ the likes of me and you and if ontop of the big tax, the raised minimum wage (which is way to high under Labours suggestion imo) they're not gaining great profit then they'll either cut jobs or they'll do business over seas, thus leaving a lot of people unemployed. Maybe cuts could have been taken elsewhere but I really don't think that hiking up the corporation taxes on big companies is a great idea.
Obviously forcing the likes of Google Facebook amazon etc to pay tax (as correct me if I'm wrong but I believe they don't) would be a good idea, no one should get away with paying none! But personally I think charging more tax to companies and our highest contributors could be counter productive
By the way that's an interesting chart, thanks for posting that
Dippenhall and Greenie please advise something positive from seven years of Tory rule. May called the election on Brexit issues but she won't say wether my German friend Heidi will have to return home, will CAP grants to farmers be maintained, employment laws protected, fishing rights changed and a thousand other issues. Uncosted vague promises. She is winging it.
In my opinion calling the referendum was a positive and I can also say ive never been out of work under Tory government, my industry is doing well and under Corbyns I can only see people being struck off due to the over zealous tax's imposed on business owners, that coupled with the £10 minimum wage concerns me hugely and I predict we'll see a lot of people out of work..
Although I'm not voting Tory so not sure why you've asked me that.
Hello - it's me, I'm back with the same question you refused to answer (three times) this time last year.
You said that EU workers were driving down wages in your industry, which was one of the reasons you were voting out. At the same time you repeated the mantra you have above, that you had never been doing so well as under the Tories. I asked you at the time how that could be, both could not be true. You ignored the question. You now state again that your whole industry is doing well. I ask again, how can both be true?
Hi Adele..
I actually thought I answered your question, as I remember it, so my apologies for not.
I didn't say I've never been doing so well as under the Tories (I've only ever worked under a Tory government) I said I've never been out of work under the Tories (true) and my industry is doing well (also true). I work with people everyday who were badly effected under the labour government and having to work for a ridiculously low wage, they say it's only just getting back to where it should be and they're very distrusting of labour and won't be voting for them.
In my time working in construction I've been undercut private work by teams of Eastern Europeans doing the job for ridiculous prices, countless times. We're not talking by the odd 50/100 quid we're talking a huge undercut.
As well as when working for the firm I subcontract to a team of Romanians came in and undercut me on a price that worked out around £80 a day, this lasted for about 4 months until they were sacked for being absolute shite.
Now these instances doesn't mean my industry isn't doing well, I do well enough, I'd like to take on more private work and eventually work for myself but as I say I get undercut, I still have work sub contracting every day earning decent money for my age.
The point I've always tried to make is that right now the English are being massively undercut by the Romanians/Bulgarians/Lithuanians etc. Then there were talks of the EU opening the doors to the Serbians and Macedonians, then what happens? They get into construction, under cut the Romanians/ Bulgarians/ Lithuanians. They then have to drop their prices and undercut the English workers even more, thus driving wages down in general in the industry. It's quite a vicious circle when you think about it.
Donn't get me wrong it's not all I've them, I've worked with a couple really good Eastern European blokes who charge competitive rates, but even they say we are full and more uncontrolled immigration will be bad for the industry.
Anyhow I hope the answer was worth the wait!
"Hi Adele" ? How old are you?
No - it's an evasive bullshit answer that contradict itself as it goes along, just as I expected.
Didn't get that Adele reference but I look forward to @Greenie Junior telling me if he agrees or not with many 100,000's of public sector workers losing their jobs in order to prop up the Tories financial mismanagement (and their policies have definitely failed otherwise we would have been running the much promised surplus NOW...and not hoping it might happen in the middle of the next decade as they're now saying).
'Hello...it's me' is the opening line to one of her best selling songs.
I got caught up with mr 'Hello it's me' that I missed your question so apologies, no of course I don't agree with people losing their jobs due to cuts, however I do realise that sometimes these cuts have to happen.
So many of these cuts have been unnecessary though.
Tories chose to cut public sector jobs and issue pay freezes. While they dropped corporation tax from 28% to 20% and they plan to go even lower.
The Tories priorities are not with normal, hard-working people. They never have been and they haven't changed.
One might argue that companies will leave the UK and thus create further unemployment were the corporate taxes made higher?
I don't think that's the case as we're losing jobs to Poland etc (Nestle or Cadbury's was it shipped 400 plus jobs) despite reducing corporation tax.
That's the Tories argument but I don't see any sense in it. If that's the case, why aren't the other G7 countries struggling?
Not struggling? Half of the US electorate are in such a state that they thought having this gimp as President might be an improvement.
And a quarter of French youngsters are unemployed.
Labour's 26% is a sensible approach though at this stage imho.
When your backs up against the wall, you're live one air and you just can't for the life of you remember the pass word to the fookin Ipad, remember these mortal two words - COORPERATION TAX -
What is better, a little bit of lot, or nothing at all?
See the table above - the USA doesn't seem to have any problem with ending up with nothing at all, or indeed the other countries in that example who charge more. I think Corbyn's plan is to raise it to 26% Rob? So still lower than any of the others on that table. Has the entirety of French industry deserted you to relocate to Britain because UK corporation tax is lower (that's a "no", by the way)? I believe it's about 10% in Bosnia - your logic would have it that M & S would have had it on their toes way back if it were the case...
It's another fabulous mantra of the ruling classes that holds no water at all when you think about it, there are many, many reasons for business remaining in the UK, low tax is not that high on the agenda if you look at what I just wrote mate.
By no means I am advocating we go to the top of the list, all in on 35%+ rate.
I do think there is value in going back towards the 25-28% range (a gradual rise to 26% by 2020 is proposed by Labour) to come more in line with the rest of the developed world. Positioning ourselves as some sort of EU offshore tax haven under the pretence that it creates jobs is disingenuous.
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No - it's an evasive bullshit answer that contradict itself as it goes along, just as I expected.
You look a bit silly here, not once have I evaded your question, and none of its bullshit or contradicts itself, you're a pretty smart bloke from what I've read but you're coming across a bit stupid/ignorant here. Just cos things don't effect you doesn't mean they're not happening ffs
Edit I just realised Amber Rudd is also going to be there. She will hopefully serve as a useful lightning rod for the others to converge on.
Boiler service with a British plumber when i was more ignorant and more trusting.
Bloke turns up, takes off the front of the boiler, operates it here and there, gets a brush and brushes the burners.
Puts it back together and then suggests £90 cash as payment.
Boiler service with a Polish plumber.
Turns up as arranged.
Voluntarily shows me his qualifications.
gets into the boiler virtually dismantling it, pouring away what i took to be some water overflow in a chamber, tests and adjusts everything using gadgets and meters. Balances the water pressure to the dials.
Runs the hot water for a while under a thermometer to check consistency of temperature. Turns on the central heating and checks how all the radiators in the house are doing.
Charges £75 and insists giving me a printed receipt containing contact details, with copies in a record book of his own.
Probably very wrongly, my view of tradespeople be they electricians, plumbers or what not, has been completely coloured by the number of experiences I have had with corner cutting rip off cowboys. I am not inclined to trust any of them just on what they say.
Decent tradespeople have been undermined by the sheer number of micky takers that have wormed there way into their lines of work.
I am very glad that in the EU the field has been opened up, and there is a wider choice available and a better chance of finding somebody who does a good job.
Missed the Adele joke - sorry about that, fair dos...
I got caught up with mr 'Hello it's me' that I missed your question so apologies, no of course I don't agree with people losing their jobs due to cuts, however I do realise that sometimes these cuts have to happen.
Tories chose to cut public sector jobs and issue pay freezes. All the while, they dropped corporation tax from 28% to 20% and they plan to go even lower.
The Tories priorities are not with normal, hard-working people. They never have been and they haven't changed.
I don't think that's the case as we're losing jobs to Poland etc (Nestle or Cadbury's was it shipped 400 plus jobs) despite reducing corporation tax.
When your backs up against the wall, you're live one air and you just can't for the life of you remember the pass word to the fookin Ipad, remember these mortal two words - COORPERATION TAX -
What is better, a little bit of lot, or nothing at all?
Obviously forcing the likes of Google Facebook amazon etc to pay tax (as correct me if I'm wrong but I believe they don't) would be a good idea, no one should get away with paying none! But personally I think charging more tax to companies and our highest contributors could be counter productive
By the way that's an interesting chart, thanks for posting that
And a quarter of French youngsters are unemployed.
Labour's 26% is a sensible approach though at this stage imho.
It's another fabulous mantra of the ruling classes that holds no water at all when you think about it, there are many, many reasons for business remaining in the UK, low tax is not that high on the agenda if you look at what I just wrote mate.
I do think there is value in going back towards the 25-28% range (a gradual rise to 26% by 2020 is proposed by Labour) to come more in line with the rest of the developed world. Positioning ourselves as some sort of EU offshore tax haven under the pretence that it creates jobs is disingenuous.