I watched the Corbyn forming a government interview. He said he would not make deals but put forward proposals on an event by event basis and invite others in Parliament to support them. He seemed cool about the notion that they might not be supported. Seems a not unreasonable stance
We will discuss all kinds of details coming up, but one of the overarching factors is that Theresa May, supported by her Tory colleagues, called this election on one issue, to grab greater power. Not for the good of the country. Theresa May demonstrated in the most florid way that her judgement and conduct are both appalling. I believe she is secretly hoping to restore her position with regular returns from the brexit negotiations with triumphs. Dream on.
I watched the Corbyn forming a government interview. He said he would not make deals but put forward proposals on an event by event basis and invite others in Parliament to support them. He seemed cool about the notion that they might not be supported. Seems a not unreasonable stance
For me, that's how the Conservatives should be governing.
However, I don't think it's viable for Labour to do it.
I watched the Corbyn forming a government interview. He said he would not make deals but put forward proposals on an event by event basis and invite others in Parliament to support them. He seemed cool about the notion that they might not be supported. Seems a not unreasonable stance
That is important too - he will be accused of looking to strike deals with the SNP at the next election. He is showing he is not one for deals - they support him or not - that is up to them.
I watched the Corbyn forming a government interview. He said he would not make deals but put forward proposals on an event by event basis and invite others in Parliament to support them. He seemed cool about the notion that they might not be supported. Seems a not unreasonable stance
Particularly if you think (as is probable) that there will inevitably be another General Election before the end of the official 5 year term.
You can then say we stuck by our policies and promises and put them forward in parliament but 'they' (the other parties) voted against them - give us your support to be able to carry them out.
I watched the Corbyn forming a government interview. He said he would not make deals but put forward proposals on an event by event basis and invite others in Parliament to support them. He seemed cool about the notion that they might not be supported. Seems a not unreasonable stance
For me, that's how the Conservatives should be governing.
However, I don't think it's viable for Labour to do it.
If it isn't viable it won't happen. It is hardly scheming is it? No deals? There is a bigger picture at play here.
What is incredible - 7 weeks ago. Labour disunited - MPs trying to oust their leader - record low points in the polls (because the public don't chaos). Theresa May with a secure working majority and an opprotunity to destroy the weakened Labour party which she opts to take.
Today - Labour surges to 41% with a record surge - Corbyn has shown himself to be a leader and is also loved, MPs fighting him are saying, I was wrong! Theresa May fighting for her political life - going into bed with bigots/terrorist sympathisers, behind the scenes the rumblings and threats have started.
Also with the peace process in jeopardy, agreeing anything with the DUP is incredibly dangerous. Tories are saying this, I have just watched one doing this on BBC1.
Apparently the Tory back benchers want a different Theresa May. Sorry, we only have this one! No we want a better one. We haven't got any more Theresa Mays in stock unfortunately!
@Rob7Lee whilst I disagree with most of what you post I think you set out your reasons and show an ability to think things through (although I am still waiting for a response to the five year funding cuts for schools! (smiley thing)).
But don't you think Corbyn is playing the long game here? He is putting pressure on the Tories and May and he is getting out the message that he and Labour are ready to govern. It is the classic Tory tactic with a twist, he will say we are ready to govern in the next few days it will be all over the news and when the Tory coalition of chaos crumbles (as it will) people will remember the 'ready to govern' bit as that more than anything with ex-Labour voters is what held him back. The twist is that it keeps the awful coalition in the news and keeps the pressure up.
The message is not aimed at you who would never vote for him.
Long game or not, lets just imagine he had the largest majority just 8 short seats of a full majority and May had 60 less seats than him. If she came out with the tripe in that interview he did as others in Labour have as well as Corbyn she would be derided.
By all means say as a party you are ready to govern WHEN you get that mandate at the next election etc, you can spin away but at least be honest ( I know thats hard for most politicians but actually thought Corbyn probably was in the main). To say it now, and to say they won (numerous times), conservators lost the election, he says things like 'we were elected' I could transcript it for you if you like, but seriously, can anyone listen to that 5 minute interview and say he hasn't lost the plot ........ I know a fair few people who voted labour who agree 'what is he going on about'.
On Education i'm waiting for some numbers to come through, having spoken to two Lewisham Heads they have confirmed that from their understanding the school cuts website, for their school is incorrect by some margin. I've also made contact with the school cuts website but as yet have had no response. But then it's the NUT and they don't like me much! but thats another story.
On MI5/Armed police, there is plenty official information on this for McDonnell and Abbot come to that. As an example one letter he signed (would need to check on Abbot) said;
"Expand democracy. A federal republic of Britain: abolish the monarchy and House of Lords. Votes at 16. Re-empower local government. Extend civil liberties and rights to organise and protest. Disband MI5 and special police squads, disarm the police"
an other part;
"Slash military spending: scrap Trident. Aid for working-class and democratic movements around the world, not support for dictatorships and imperialism."
On Labours wonderful comments about forming a minority government, all very noble, except when it comes to anything in parliament you need a majority and therefore it would be a very dangerous position to put the country in.
Shami Chakrabarti just said on Question Time that Jeremy Corbyn won the election !
There are far too many fantasists about. (sorry fantasists no offence intended).
And the other lady just called May a robot and Corbyn a clown! Why is it I always seem to agree with whoever isn't a politician......
What the arrogant daily mail reporter - you must be so proud agreeing with her.
We know how many seats Corbyn got, just because we are saying he has won from the undertsanding we have what as happened, I can't see why others are so bothered about it? If you need an explanation, this will be my last because a closed mind can't grasp simple facts - but here goes. At the start of this election there were question marks about Corbyn's position, was he a leader, can Labour survive. It is after all the reason May called the election.
The tories had a major bounce at the expense of UKIP and increased their percentage share - that part of May's calculations were correct. But in the space of 7 weeks, we have found a leader. The more people that just read the crap that is thrown at him and don't study the facts, the less they will understand. An unelectable leader of a dying party at war with itself 7 weeks ago - 20 to 25 points behind in teh polls and the local election results backed this up.
7 Weeks later, the dying party is vibrant - no longer at war with itself. It has found an inspirational leader and broken all the old rules. The young have started to find their voice and they like it. The genie can not be put back in the bottle- thinking about this as just another election is missing the underlying message. The Conservative party is now the party atr war - the coming weeks and months will show this. Kensington and Chelsea voted Labour for the first time ever.Kensington and Chelsea. Victory is the transformation in both parties and that is why we feel like we have won.
Please feel free to disagree, but understand why and if we are proven wrong - so be it. But it isn't rocket science really.
Don't think I disagree with 95% of that Muttley, anyone involved in the Labour party should be proud of what they achieved this election and the Tory Party (excluding Ruth Davidson in Scotland) should hang their heads in shame with a shambles of an election campaign, idiots.
I haven't studied it but I don't think the UKIP vote has necessarily moved to the Tories quite like we thought it would, judging by the individual results anyway but hard to fully tell unless you know who voted what this time and who voted what last time. My father in law has switched from UKIP to Labour as he's retired and wants the triple lock (his words not mine), my 22 year old next door but one neighbour has done the same, although he quoted the Uni fee's as his reason to go from UKIp to Labour when I spoke to him.
By the way, kensignton and chelsea didn't, it's just kensington Chelsea and Fulham is still Conservative. I'd expect with a better campaign next time Kensington will go back to Tory.
What made we agree with the robot and the clown comment, think the robot is obvious in relation to May (strong & stable), the clown - just listen to Corbyn's interview I posted above for a highlight, he is very clearly saying he won the election and that he has a mandate to be in power, to be the Prime Minister - really......
The guy is deluded, he talks of having won the election, the only party that should be in power, that he should be forming a government with no deals with anyone. He lost the election, full stop, he may have improved on the result in 2015 but he still lost and has nearly 60 less seats than the Tory's. To form a government he would need every other single party, every single independent and the point most seem to miss he'd probably also need the DUP!
You don't (necessarily) win an election by being the most improved, if you did I suspect we'd have been governed since 2015 by the SNP and UKIP!
So by all means Labour can crow from the roof tops about how well they did, rightly so. If I was Corbyn i'd be doing exactly that. But when the leader of the Labour Party comes out with the clearly idiotic comments he has in the said interview, then yes, I agree with whoever says it and whatever paper they may now or previously have written for, he's a clown. If he can't understand the democratic process of a general election after his what, 40 years in parliament then god help us all if he ever ruled the country.
Who knows what the future holds, i'm not concerned which parties name is above the door, like i'd said previously my last two elections I voted labour. We just need the best people at any given time running this country. Frankly i'd rather it wasn't the robot or the clown, I think both parties are poor for very different reasons. I'm awaiting the day @bobmunro is our leader and we live in a world of Utopia
I believe there is an degree of management of expectations required here!
You old winder upper Bob.... we all know whats going to happen, it's going to be a revolution like never seen before, i've even had my two second pop up tent out just to make sure it's sill OK :
Well here we are with a minority government and having read a lot of the posts I have to say that this would be the first time in my life I would consider going and living elsewhere. The idea that Corbyn and especially McDonald are somehow "idealists" is rank stupidity. They are Marxists who have successfully hijacked the Labour party, they do not stand as Marxists because they wouldn't have a hope of power but here they are on the verge of sending this country into oblivion.
Corbyn has been a lifelong apologist and supporter of terrorist groups. McDonald has stated clearly that he would disband MI5 and armed police, given the atrocities we have seen in the last couple of weeks would that make you feel safer? would you trust these two to protect you families and this country? Why is this not discussed?
So then we have their "ice cream and jelly" economics, lets promise everyone all these treats and not bother to worry about how it gets paid for. Oh I know we tax the rich so they fuck off then your revenue from them is zero so it's left to the rest of us to pick the bill up, happens every time with a Labour government. Nothing improves it just gets more expensive.McDonald wants the end to capitalism what a great idea! Lets be like Marxist Russia where everyone was equally poor and fucking miserable.
People I am no lover of the Tories but the alternative is too scary to contemplate. Oh and by the way all you Football loving Corbyn supporters out there when they start soaking the rich and your favourite players go off to Spain, Germany etc. you can enjoy watching park football in empty stadiums. Welcome to the future.
Just to be clear. The LOL I gave you was laughing at you, not with you. You sound like the Daiy Mail. And the rich footballers going to Spain and Germany. Yes, as a Charlton fan that really keeps me awake at night. And I'd change my vote to avoid it ahead of schools or the NHS.
Apparently the Tory back benchers want a different Theresa May. Sorry, we only have this one! No we want a better one. We haven't got any more Theresa Mays in stock unfortunately!
Look, you bought this Theresa May nearly a year ago. Why are you coming back asking for another one just before the guarantee runs out? I made it clear that this model wore silly shoes that didn't go with the rest of of her outfit and she didn't put the bins out.
@Rob7Lee whilst I disagree with most of what you post I think you set out your reasons and show an ability to think things through (although I am still waiting for a response to the five year funding cuts for schools! (smiley thing)).
But don't you think Corbyn is playing the long game here? He is putting pressure on the Tories and May and he is getting out the message that he and Labour are ready to govern. It is the classic Tory tactic with a twist, he will say we are ready to govern in the next few days it will be all over the news and when the Tory coalition of chaos crumbles (as it will) people will remember the 'ready to govern' bit as that more than anything with ex-Labour voters is what held him back. The twist is that it keeps the awful coalition in the news and keeps the pressure up.
The message is not aimed at you who would never vote for him.
Long game or not, lets just imagine he had the largest majority just 8 short seats of a full majority and May had 60 less seats than him. If she came out with the tripe in that interview he did as others in Labour have as well as Corbyn she would be derided.
By all means say as a party you are ready to govern WHEN you get that mandate at the next election etc, you can spin away but at least be honest ( I know thats hard for most politicians but actually thought Corbyn probably was in the main). To say it now, and to say they won (numerous times), conservators lost the election, he says things like 'we were elected' I could transcript it for you if you like, but seriously, can anyone listen to that 5 minute interview and say he hasn't lost the plot ........ I know a fair few people who voted labour who agree 'what is he going on about'.
On Education i'm waiting for some numbers to come through, having spoken to two Lewisham Heads they have confirmed that from their understanding the school cuts website, for their school is incorrect by some margin. I've also made contact with the school cuts website but as yet have had no response. But then it's the NUT and they don't like me much! but thats another story.
On MI5/Armed police, there is plenty official information on this for McDonnell and Abbot come to that. As an example one letter he signed (would need to check on Abbot) said;
"Expand democracy. A federal republic of Britain: abolish the monarchy and House of Lords. Votes at 16. Re-empower local government. Extend civil liberties and rights to organise and protest. Disband MI5 and special police squads, disarm the police"
an other part;
"Slash military spending: scrap Trident. Aid for working-class and democratic movements around the world, not support for dictatorships and imperialism."
On Labours wonderful comments about forming a minority government, all very noble, except when it comes to anything in parliament you need a majority and therefore it would be a very dangerous position to put the country in.
Don't worry, Labour will get in next time, just waiting for Corbyn to think up another bribe for another section of the electorate.
We had free school meals for those in the 25-40 yr old age group with school aged children
We had free tuition fees & the promise to wipe out existing debt for the 18-25 year olds - which obviously had no impact on why Canterbury (a large University town) fell to labour for the first time in 100 years.
Perhaps if Corbyn will promise to pay my child maintenance costs for the next 5 years - that will get my vote !
What do you think the conservatives have been doing for years with the triple lock? Bribing the largest bloc of benefit receivers and voters at the same time.
About time our politians offered something to young people for their future to get their vote.
@Rob7Lee whilst I disagree with most of what you post I think you set out your reasons and show an ability to think things through (although I am still waiting for a response to the five year funding cuts for schools! (smiley thing)).
But don't you think Corbyn is playing the long game here? He is putting pressure on the Tories and May and he is getting out the message that he and Labour are ready to govern. It is the classic Tory tactic with a twist, he will say we are ready to govern in the next few days it will be all over the news and when the Tory coalition of chaos crumbles (as it will) people will remember the 'ready to govern' bit as that more than anything with ex-Labour voters is what held him back. The twist is that it keeps the awful coalition in the news and keeps the pressure up.
The message is not aimed at you who would never vote for him.
Long game or not, lets just imagine he had the largest majority just 8 short seats of a full majority and May had 60 less seats than him. If she came out with the tripe in that interview he did as others in Labour have as well as Corbyn she would be derided.
By all means say as a party you are ready to govern WHEN you get that mandate at the next election etc, you can spin away but at least be honest ( I know thats hard for most politicians but actually thought Corbyn probably was in the main). To say it now, and to say they won (numerous times), conservators lost the election, he says things like 'we were elected' I could transcript it for you if you like, but seriously, can anyone listen to that 5 minute interview and say he hasn't lost the plot ........ I know a fair few people who voted labour who agree 'what is he going on about'.
On Education i'm waiting for some numbers to come through, having spoken to two Lewisham Heads they have confirmed that from their understanding the school cuts website, for their school is incorrect by some margin. I've also made contact with the school cuts website but as yet have had no response. But then it's the NUT and they don't like me much! but thats another story.
On MI5/Armed police, there is plenty official information on this for McDonnell and Abbot come to that. As an example one letter he signed (would need to check on Abbot) said;
"Expand democracy. A federal republic of Britain: abolish the monarchy and House of Lords. Votes at 16. Re-empower local government. Extend civil liberties and rights to organise and protest. Disband MI5 and special police squads, disarm the police"
an other part;
"Slash military spending: scrap Trident. Aid for working-class and democratic movements around the world, not support for dictatorships and imperialism."
On Labours wonderful comments about forming a minority government, all very noble, except when it comes to anything in parliament you need a majority and therefore it would be a very dangerous position to put the country in.
Governing by consensus rather than one party controlling the house for five years dangerous? Only because MPs would be more interested in playing politics than the good of the country.
Don't worry, Labour will get in next time, just waiting for Corbyn to think up another bribe for another section of the electorate.
We had free school meals for those in the 25-40 yr old age group with school aged children
We had free tuition fees & the promise to wipe out existing debt for the 18-25 year olds - which obviously had no impact on why Canterbury (a large University town) fell to labour for the first time in 100 years.
Perhaps if Corbyn will promise to pay my child maintenance costs for the next 5 years - that will get my vote !
What do you think the conservatives have been doing for years with the triple lock? Bribing the largest bloc of benefit receivers and voters at the same time.
About time our politians offered something to young people for their future to get their vote.
Don't worry, Labour will get in next time, just waiting for Corbyn to think up another bribe for another section of the electorate.
We had free school meals for those in the 25-40 yr old age group with school aged children
We had free tuition fees & the promise to wipe out existing debt for the 18-25 year olds - which obviously had no impact on why Canterbury (a large University town) fell to labour for the first time in 100 years.
Perhaps if Corbyn will promise to pay my child maintenance costs for the next 5 years - that will get my vote !
Because the Tories never bribe the elderly
So is that why they ditched the triple lock & Labour didn't and said that winter fuel payments would be scrapped for higher earners. Doesn't seem like policies for the elderly to me.
Because they had a 20 point lead they took for granted and thought they didn't need their traditional vote. Also the post vote was mainly in that demographic.
Clearly both May and her predecessor based their decision making on their own desire for power or strengthening their position. Looks like people are getting tired of this cynical game playing and brazen opportunism.
Lord Ashcroft, above, trying to wipe the egg off his face and hope you're didn't notice. There is a great article in the FT, " the election in 7 charts" the final chart is "how did the forecasters do" and he was well out although the hamster Ian Dale was even worse.
More importantly the other charts show there was indeed a strong correlation between Labour Leave voters and the Tory vote strength; less healthy people tended to vote Tory ( which might look counter intuitive), strong Tory vote among the DE classes (again a change in accepted wisdom) and a much stronger Labour vote among Uni educated people - with the model conducted among over 50 grads to screen out the yoof factor. Overall social class has become a much weaker indicator of voting behaviour.
Also in the FT an article explaining how Labour used social media very effectively - somebody ( one of the Eddie Youds handles) noted how I had been spooked by the article writing how effective the Tory manipulators were on Facebook. Turns out that Labour made very effective videos for social media and then spread them via their young Momentum members. Cost them a pittance because the Tories still had to pay £1m to reach Facebook people with their dark ads.
Tell you what, if you are a Centre type biz person, and don't subscribe to the FT, you are missing stuff. I read it as much as the Guardian nowadays. Never thought that day would come, either....
Lord Ashcroft, above, trying to wipe the egg off his face and hope you're didn't notice. There is a great article in the FT, " the election in 7 charts" the final chart is "how did the forecasters do" and he was well out although the hamster Ian Dale was even worse.
More importantly the other charts show there was indeed a strong correlation between Labour Leave voters and the Tory vote strength; less healthy people tended to vote Tory ( which might look counter intuitive), strong Tory vote among the DE classes (again a change in accepted wisdom) and a much stronger Labour vote among Uni educated people - with the model conducted among over 50 grads to screen out the yoof factor. Overall social class has become a much weaker indicator of voting behaviour.
Also in the FT an article explaining how Labour used social media very effectively - somebody ( one of the Eddie Youds handles) noted how I had been spooked by the article writing how effective the Tory manipulators were on Facebook. Turns out that Labour made very effective videos for social media and then spread them via their young Momentum members. Cost them a pittance because the Tories still had to pay £1m to reach Facebook people with their dark ads.
Tell you what, if you are a Centre type biz person, and don't subscribe to the FT, you are missing stuff. I read it as much as the Guardian nowadays. Never thought that day would come, either....
FT has always been good because it honest about what it cares about. Haven't read it for years mind.
Lord Ashcroft, above, trying to wipe the egg off his face and hope you're didn't notice. There is a great article in the FT, " the election in 7 charts" the final chart is "how did the forecasters do" and he was well out although the hamster Ian Dale was even worse.
More importantly the other charts show there was indeed a strong correlation between Labour Leave voters and the Tory vote strength; less healthy people tended to vote Tory ( which might look counter intuitive), strong Tory vote among the DE classes (again a change in accepted wisdom) and a much stronger Labour vote among Uni educated people - with the model conducted among over 50 grads to screen out the yoof factor. Overall social class has become a much weaker indicator of voting behaviour.
Also in the FT an article explaining how Labour used social media very effectively - somebody ( one of the Eddie Youds handles) noted how I had been spooked by the article writing how effective the Tory manipulators were on Facebook. Turns out that Labour made very effective videos for social media and then spread them via their young Momentum members. Cost them a pittance because the Tories still had to pay £1m to reach Facebook people with their dark ads.
Tell you what, if you are a Centre type biz person, and don't subscribe to the FT, you are missing stuff. I read it as much as the Guardian nowadays. Never thought that day would come, either....
FT has always been good because it honest about what it cares about. Haven't read it for years mind.
The Economist is outstanding too - superbly edited so it reads like it's all written by one person.
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Seems a not unreasonable stance
Theresa May demonstrated in the most florid way that her judgement and conduct are both appalling.
I believe she is secretly hoping to restore her position with regular returns from the brexit negotiations with triumphs.
Dream on.
However, I don't think it's viable for Labour to do it.
You can then say we stuck by our policies and promises and put them forward in parliament but 'they' (the other parties) voted against them - give us your support to be able to carry them out.
https://www.youtube.com/user/tomwalker78
Interesting that Labour had a lead among women and such a big lead for anyone under 45.
Today - Labour surges to 41% with a record surge - Corbyn has shown himself to be a leader and is also loved, MPs fighting him are saying, I was wrong! Theresa May fighting for her political life - going into bed with bigots/terrorist sympathisers, behind the scenes the rumblings and threats have started.
Also with the peace process in jeopardy, agreeing anything with the DUP is incredibly dangerous. Tories are saying this, I have just watched one doing this on BBC1.
By all means say as a party you are ready to govern WHEN you get that mandate at the next election etc, you can spin away but at least be honest ( I know thats hard for most politicians but actually thought Corbyn probably was in the main). To say it now, and to say they won (numerous times), conservators lost the election, he says things like 'we were elected' I could transcript it for you if you like, but seriously, can anyone listen to that 5 minute interview and say he hasn't lost the plot ........ I know a fair few people who voted labour who agree 'what is he going on about'.
On Education i'm waiting for some numbers to come through, having spoken to two Lewisham Heads they have confirmed that from their understanding the school cuts website, for their school is incorrect by some margin. I've also made contact with the school cuts website but as yet have had no response. But then it's the NUT and they don't like me much! but thats another story.
On MI5/Armed police, there is plenty official information on this for McDonnell and Abbot come to that. As an example one letter he signed (would need to check on Abbot) said;
"Expand democracy. A federal republic of Britain: abolish the monarchy and House of Lords. Votes at 16. Re-empower local government. Extend civil liberties and rights to organise and protest. Disband MI5 and special police squads, disarm the police"
an other part;
"Slash military spending: scrap Trident. Aid for working-class and democratic movements around the world, not support for dictatorships and imperialism."
On Labours wonderful comments about forming a minority government, all very noble, except when it comes to anything in parliament you need a majority and therefore it would be a very dangerous position to put the country in.
NOT !
Get over it.
About time our politians offered something to young people for their future to get their vote.
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40231107
Let's hope Lynton Crosby fecks off back to Oz soon as well.
May might have looked stronger (and more stable?) if she was seen to sack them herself.
According to the BBC they 'resigned' immediately after May was told that if they didn't go she would face an immediate leadership challenge.
Theresa. Can you Trust your fellow Tory MP's?
In the context of her party she didn't fight a leadership election.
More importantly the other charts show there was indeed a strong correlation between Labour Leave voters and the Tory vote strength; less healthy people tended to vote Tory ( which might look counter intuitive), strong Tory vote among the DE classes (again a change in accepted wisdom) and a much stronger Labour vote among Uni educated people - with the model conducted among over 50 grads to screen out the yoof factor. Overall social class has become a much weaker indicator of voting behaviour.
Also in the FT an article explaining how Labour used social media very effectively - somebody ( one of the Eddie Youds handles) noted how I had been spooked by the article writing how effective the Tory manipulators were on Facebook. Turns out that Labour made very effective videos for social media and then spread them via their young Momentum members. Cost them a pittance because the Tories still had to pay £1m to reach Facebook people with their dark ads.
Tell you what, if you are a Centre type biz person, and don't subscribe to the FT, you are missing stuff. I read it as much as the Guardian nowadays. Never thought that day would come, either....