The General Election - June 8th 2017
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@PragueAddick It's coming (interest rate rise)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40288125
Vote 5-3 to keep interest rates the same. Only been one of the 8 usually suggesting an increase. Assuming inflation continues as expected then maybe not next month but the following month seems to be the suggested rise.
For anyone where a rate rise is of concern I'd be fixing now (IMHO).0 -
Aren't most homeowners/mortgagees on decent fixed rates pretty much the majority of the time? I'm always hearing my mates talk about their new fantastic 0.silly percent rate they've secured.Rob7Lee said:@PragueAddick It's coming (interest rate rise)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40288125
Vote 5-3 to keep interest rates the same. Only been one of the 8 usually suggesting an increase. Assuming inflation continues as expected then maybe not next month but the following month seems to be the suggested rise.
For anyone where a rate rise is of concern I'd be fixing now (IMHO).
How long does it take for an interest rate rise to trickle down into the housing market/mortgage costs etc
I think the Fed over in the U.S have actually been doing it the right way. Haven't they been incrementally rising the rate for a while now?0 -
There's a big proportion who aren't, maybe either trackers or variable I don't know the split. In 25 years I never fixed, tended to go discount or tracker.
If there is an expected rate rise fixed rates will begin to go up before it actually happens.
Even those on fixes a large proportion take 2 years so don't last forever.
Yes US has been creeping up, which is what I'd expect we'd do just like how it came down.0 -
Intelligent and University Educated don't necessarily go together in my view. Indeed what defines intelligence itself is a battle to be continually fought.Dippenhall said:"Austerity is evil"
That's right, haven't been able to buy sweeties for a week. Or like when Labour introduced tuition fees because they ran out of money to pay the cost of running the Universities. Evil bastards.
Should not have been so evil, they should have just borrowed the money and let the students, and everyone else, pay the loan interest out of their taxes later on. Would also have duped students into thinking they got free education.
I say use our taxes to subsidise the exceptionally intelligent in society so they can earn a 2:1 in needlework to qualify for a job in MacDonalds, better than wasting it on paying nurses.
Intelligent Labour University voters are suggesting that we look at the exceptional post war borrowing level as an example of how to avoid austerity. Those less intelligent old non-University Tory voters are stupidly pointing out that post war austerity went hand in hand with debt at 230% of GDP.
How can intelligent University educated Labour voters miss the fact that we had austerity whilst we also had high debt and that austerity diminished in parallel with reducing national debt from 230% to 70% between 1948 and 1970 - couldn't happen.
"Austerity is evil". It must be true, our leader says so, we can borrow all the money we want, we can take all the money we want from others, and we can have anything we want for ourselves.
Those Blairite/capitalist/banker friendly/tax avoiding rich austerity loving evil Tory bastards are pretending there isn't a santa clause and a tooth fairy so they can say there isn't a magic money tree. We know they've got one and we're going to find it and we'll see who's laughing at us then.
Nurse.....
I also don't get the assumption and links often made between University Education and jobs/occupations.
Personally I am less in favour of borrowing as saving up and not being wasteful too.
I would get the money from extravagence if I could. How bloody much do people spend on weddings for example?
Oh. And why buy bog paper when there's the Daily Mail?0 -
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Does that apply to all religions or just Christianity?Henry Irving said:
No it hasn't. The "right" to hold views and expect them not to be challenged because he is follower of a particular religion hasLenGlover said:I am no particular fan of Farron but am I alone in being concerned that the right of a politician to vote with his or her conscience appears to have been removed effectively?
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I know it is not my political leaning but does Rod Liddle get paid for stuff like that? Was it meant to be a bit tongue in cheek funny?Southbank said:https://www.spectator.co.uk/general-election-2017/#
Rod Liddle on why there has been no attempt by the Tories to blame fake news or the Russians for the election result.3 -
As the self appointed adjudicator on U-turns I have decided this.Covered End said:
I know it's true and with the greatest respect you sound fanatical to me (which is fine).MuttleyCAFC said:I know how it sounds, but it is true. My posts on here will back that conversion up. I have not become a fanatic though - he has simply inspired me.
You're posting your "love" for Corbyn all day every day.
It's quite simply amazing.
I can't recall such a u-turn on here by someone, although Fiish runs you a close second
In first place is @Fiiish who has done an 180 degree about turn, so much so that I now see him as being a bit of a looney lefty.
Second place is to @MuttleyCAFC who has merely realigned his opinion, lets call it 90 degrees.
Where as @Dippenhall has seemed to have lost the plot but not changed his views at all. So is disqualified.11 -
That'll be me sir.Fiiish said:
And what about the poor soul on here who is labelling everyone who didn't vote Tory a cultist?Covered End said:
I know it's true and with the greatest respect you sound fanatical to me (which is fine).MuttleyCAFC said:I know how it sounds, but it is true. My posts on here will back that conversion up. I have not become a fanatic though - he has simply inspired me.
You're posting your "love" for Corbyn all day every day.
It's quite simply amazing.
Another one who isn't paying attention. I was careful to point out that all parties are wannabe cults, it's only if you are duped into giving them your vote because you think they are not bribing you, that you are a suspect cult follower. Even worse, you believe they are telling the truth.
Never said you can't have a Tory cult either, but if Theresa is a cult leader she hasn't got the hang of this bribery thing. It's a funny cult leader who tries to boost membership by appealing to property owners who might one day need social care, with a promise to take away their legacy and only leave their children with a paltry £100k. The rest unbelievably is going to be wasted on plugging the hole in the inadequate social care budget. Tories always tell lies, so she couldn't have meant it anyway.
Can't have that, Corbyn would ensure unearned inherited wealth is reserved for the children, nieces and nephews for buying a new car, having a nice holiday or paying off the mortgage, not looking after the ailing family member. That's the job of the State, funded by the rich bastards earning over £70,000.0 -
Point of fact, it was the rich bas%#~#> earning over £80,000.Dippenhall said:
That's the job of the State, funded by the rich bastards earning over £70,000.Fiiish said:
And what about the poor soul on here who is labelling everyone who didn't vote Tory a cultist?Covered End said:
I know it's true and with the greatest respect you sound fanatical to me (which is fine).MuttleyCAFC said:I know how it sounds, but it is true. My posts on here will back that conversion up. I have not become a fanatic though - he has simply inspired me.
You're posting your "love" for Corbyn all day every day.
It's quite simply amazing.1 - Sponsored links:
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I accept your findings and congratulate Fiiish for his U-turn awardCordoban Addick said:
As the self appointed adjudicator on U-turns I have decided this.Covered End said:
I know it's true and with the greatest respect you sound fanatical to me (which is fine).MuttleyCAFC said:I know how it sounds, but it is true. My posts on here will back that conversion up. I have not become a fanatic though - he has simply inspired me.
You're posting your "love" for Corbyn all day every day.
It's quite simply amazing.
I can't recall such a u-turn on here by someone, although Fiish runs you a close second
In first place is @Fiiish who has done an 180 degree about turn, so much so that I now see him as being a bit of a looney lefty.
Second place is to @MuttleyCAFC who has merely realigned his opinion, lets call it 90 degrees.
Where as @Dippenhall has seemed to have lost the plot but not changed his views at all. So is disqualified.4 -
Yes but with Fiiish it's only temporary. I would put money on him supporting UKIP at the next election, branding the Tories as too soft and Labour as Marxist/Leninists.MuttleyCAFC said:
I accept your findings and congratulate Fiiish for his U-turn awardCordoban Addick said:
As the self appointed adjudicator on U-turns I have decided this.Covered End said:
I know it's true and with the greatest respect you sound fanatical to me (which is fine).MuttleyCAFC said:I know how it sounds, but it is true. My posts on here will back that conversion up. I have not become a fanatic though - he has simply inspired me.
You're posting your "love" for Corbyn all day every day.
It's quite simply amazing.
I can't recall such a u-turn on here by someone, although Fiish runs you a close second
In first place is @Fiiish who has done an 180 degree about turn, so much so that I now see him as being a bit of a looney lefty.
Second place is to @MuttleyCAFC who has merely realigned his opinion, lets call it 90 degrees.
Where as @Dippenhall has seemed to have lost the plot but not changed his views at all. So is disqualified.
Not sure if that's 270 degrees or just rotating at an alarming rate.
That or he's using CL as a vehicle to research a paper on Leon Festinger's work on cognitive dissonance and we are all his guinea pigs.11 -
Quiet fool, you're blowing my cover!bobmunro said:
Yes but with Fiiish it's only temporary. I would put money on him supporting UKIP at the next election, branding the Tories as too soft and Labour as Marxist/Leninists.MuttleyCAFC said:
I accept your findings and congratulate Fiiish for his U-turn awardCordoban Addick said:
As the self appointed adjudicator on U-turns I have decided this.Covered End said:
I know it's true and with the greatest respect you sound fanatical to me (which is fine).MuttleyCAFC said:I know how it sounds, but it is true. My posts on here will back that conversion up. I have not become a fanatic though - he has simply inspired me.
You're posting your "love" for Corbyn all day every day.
It's quite simply amazing.
I can't recall such a u-turn on here by someone, although Fiish runs you a close second
In first place is @Fiiish who has done an 180 degree about turn, so much so that I now see him as being a bit of a looney lefty.
Second place is to @MuttleyCAFC who has merely realigned his opinion, lets call it 90 degrees.
Where as @Dippenhall has seemed to have lost the plot but not changed his views at all. So is disqualified.
Not sure if that's 270 degrees or just rotating at an alarming rate.
That or he's using CL as a vehicle to research a paper on Leon Festinger's work on cognitive dissonance and we are all his guinea pigs.6 -
When it comes to U-turns neither of us can close to Theresa May-be - May-be not!2
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Corbyn can learn a thing or two from you in terms of accepting defeat MuttsMuttleyCAFC said:
I accept your findings and congratulate Fiiish for his U-turn awardCordoban Addick said:
As the self appointed adjudicator on U-turns I have decided this.Covered End said:
I know it's true and with the greatest respect you sound fanatical to me (which is fine).MuttleyCAFC said:I know how it sounds, but it is true. My posts on here will back that conversion up. I have not become a fanatic though - he has simply inspired me.
You're posting your "love" for Corbyn all day every day.
It's quite simply amazing.
I can't recall such a u-turn on here by someone, although Fiish runs you a close second
In first place is @Fiiish who has done an 180 degree about turn, so much so that I now see him as being a bit of a looney lefty.
Second place is to @MuttleyCAFC who has merely realigned his opinion, lets call it 90 degrees.
Where as @Dippenhall has seemed to have lost the plot but not changed his views at all. So is disqualified. 2 -
May can learn something after her post election speech you mean!1
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Does that mean as Corbyn is at Zero as many don't favour him as do?Callumcafc said:
Where did they do this survey, some of the numbers behind look very odd, Labour most favourable party in Scotland?0 -
The point is that some people only complain about fake news, Russian influence and stupid voters when the result goes against them.Cordoban Addick said:
I know it is not my political leaning but does Rod Liddle get paid for stuff like that? Was it meant to be a bit tongue in cheek funny?Southbank said:https://www.spectator.co.uk/general-election-2017/#
Rod Liddle on why there has been no attempt by the Tories to blame fake news or the Russians for the election result.
For example,many working class Leave voters voted Labour this time-but whereas they were apparently duped over the referendum the same people have now become discerning about Corbyn and Labour. How did that happen?0 - Sponsored links:
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Could it be possible that on both occasions they were voting against a Tory government, giving it to the man and all that. What did you think the reason was?Southbank said:
The point is that some people only complain about fake news, Russian influence and stupid voters when the result goes against them.Cordoban Addick said:
I know it is not my political leaning but does Rod Liddle get paid for stuff like that? Was it meant to be a bit tongue in cheek funny?Southbank said:https://www.spectator.co.uk/general-election-2017/#
Rod Liddle on why there has been no attempt by the Tories to blame fake news or the Russians for the election result.
For example,many working class Leave voters voted Labour this time-but whereas they were apparently duped over the referendum the same people have now become discerning about Corbyn and Labour. How did that happen?
It was still an infantile and dull article mind.3 -
Yes, it means that favourable minus unfavourable is equal to 0 points.Rob7Lee said:
Does that mean as Corbyn is at Zero as many don't favour him as do?Callumcafc said:
Where did they do this survey, some of the numbers behind look very odd, Labour most favourable party in Scotland?
Corbyn 46-46 (0%)
May 29-63 (-34%)
Corbyn was around -34% back in November and as low as -42% in April.
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An article backing up what many of us have been saying.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/conservatives-chancellor-george-osborne-ideology-austerity-economics-working-families-a7787776.html0 -
Told you Corbyn would do well!0
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The thing about Scotland is they have successively voted in progressive governments. But after 10 years the SNP has started to lose a lot of credibility, at the same time Corbyn wasn't seen as realistic option, while Ruth Davidson is very impressive. This election has started to galvanise support.Rob7Lee said:
Does that mean as Corbyn is at Zero as many don't favour him as do?Callumcafc said:
Where did they do this survey, some of the numbers behind look very odd, Labour most favourable party in Scotland?
Politically, the situation is more complex than down here, but the cut and thrust is a massive disillusionment with Westminster.0 -
mcgrandall said:
The thing about Scotland is they have successively voted in progressive governments. But after 10 years the SNP has started to lose a lot of credibility, at the same time Corbyn wasn't seen as realistic option, while Ruth Davidson is very impressive. This election has started to galvanise support.Rob7Lee said:
Does that mean as Corbyn is at Zero as many don't favour him as do?Callumcafc said:
Where did they do this survey, some of the numbers behind look very odd, Labour most favourable party in Scotland?
Politically, the situation is more complex than down here, but the cut and thrust is a massive disillusionment with Westminster.
I think that is what has driven Brexit, UKIP, The Greens, The SNP and now probably Corbyn.2 -
I agree and I think it is a factor people are still underestimating, especially when it comes to the Youth vote choosing Labour. Happy to let the condescending hypocrites, who still think it was all down to a simple bribe, continue to. As long as they do, they will never win it back.Cordoban Addick said:mcgrandall said:
The thing about Scotland is they have successively voted in progressive governments. But after 10 years the SNP has started to lose a lot of credibility, at the same time Corbyn wasn't seen as realistic option, while Ruth Davidson is very impressive. This election has started to galvanise support.Rob7Lee said:
Does that mean as Corbyn is at Zero as many don't favour him as do?Callumcafc said:
Where did they do this survey, some of the numbers behind look very odd, Labour most favourable party in Scotland?
Politically, the situation is more complex than down here, but the cut and thrust is a massive disillusionment with Westminster.
I think that is what has driven Brexit, UKIP, The Greens, The SNP and now probably Corbyn.6 -
I couldn't agree more @mcgrandall .mcgrandall said:
I agree and I think it is a factor people are still underestimating, especially when it comes to the Youth vote choosing Labour. Happy to let the condescending hypocrites, who still think it was all down to a simple bribe, continue to. As long as they do, they will never win it back.Cordoban Addick said:mcgrandall said:
The thing about Scotland is they have successively voted in progressive governments. But after 10 years the SNP has started to lose a lot of credibility, at the same time Corbyn wasn't seen as realistic option, while Ruth Davidson is very impressive. This election has started to galvanise support.Rob7Lee said:
Does that mean as Corbyn is at Zero as many don't favour him as do?Callumcafc said:
Where did they do this survey, some of the numbers behind look very odd, Labour most favourable party in Scotland?
Politically, the situation is more complex than down here, but the cut and thrust is a massive disillusionment with Westminster.
I think that is what has driven Brexit, UKIP, The Greens, The SNP and now probably Corbyn.0
