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The General Election - June 8th 2017

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  • Rob7Lee said:

    Chizz said:

    Rob7Lee said:

    Chizz said:

    Rob7Lee said:

    What is interesting is that the only group that the majority voted conservative were the required. The majority of Full time workers and Part-time workers voted Labour.

    Here is the education split - just for you Dippenhall :)



    Jokes aside on intelligence I don't read too much into the educational split due to the dramatic changes in numbers going onto higher education and university. It's a very different world now in that respect.

    What percentage in the last 5-15 (or maybe longer) years of 18 year olds have gone to Uni? (is it roughly 40%?) compared to say 40 years ago? Doesn't mean those in their 50's/60's/70's etc aren't of Degree intelligence (whatever that is). Also is there a male factor back then, Woman weren't 'expected' to go to University.

    Around 75 of the 250 kids in my year at 16 stayed on to do A Levels, I'd be surprised if half that went to onto University.

    For my parents (late 40's birth) I don't think university would even have been on the radar/an option.

    Maybe @MuttleyCAFC you've stumbled onto the real issue here as @Dippenhall explains.... :wink:

    Personal anecdotes can't easily be extrapolated though. All of the 75 people in my year at 16 went on to do A Levels. One of them became a Government Minister. I don't suppose that is universal across all schools.
    That is true, so 3.4% attending uni in 1950 compared to today? Or as recent as 2005 around 25% or better still 1960-1974 average of 6%? So anyone now roughly 60 - 75only 6%?went. So not really a surprise when you look at the election and voting split by education level.....
    I'm totally baffled by the point you're making. I wish I'd gone to university.
    Did you not have the opportunity? Or just didn't fancy it?
    Tell me again what you were trying to say in your post.
  • Tim Farron has risen and then sunk, without trace
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  • I have a theory that expanding the number of students in higher education was done to get the extra students off the unemployed stats.

    Sure many of those that go (that wouldn't have done so twenty years ago) are not completely useless but the jobs they would have taken were given to someone else.

    If we assume that the estimated extra two million students, on the basis that we don't seem to have two million jobs going begging, would have increased the unemployed numbers, it's a genius plan. This plan became even more genius when those students were told that one day they'd have to pay for the three year party they get.

    I wonder why so many of them voted Labour when they thought they were in for c. £25k worth of debt wiped off.

    There is an estimated 1.75m students (undergraduates) in the UK. That constitutes 13.5% of the total Labour vote, and at c. £25k each would cost the taxpayer, on paper, £43.75 billion. This is, of course, assuming that there wouldn't have been a u-turn if Labour had won - you know like the Lib Dems who changed their minds when they got into government.
  • Was going to start a new thread but hardly seems worth it. (Sorry lib dem voters, I actually quite like the party and thought they got screwed over a bit in 2015)
  • Got a feeling I'm in the minority but I quite liked Tim! Vince Cable must be favourite.
  • Quite simply you cannot leed the liberal party and be against Gay marriage.
    The two are incompatible
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  • Quite simply you cannot leed the liberal party and be against Gay marriage.
    The two are incompatible

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  • Quite simply you cannot leed the liberal party and be against Gay marriage.
    The two are incompatible

    He wasn't against gay marriage (voted in favour) but he was exceptionally reluctant to say that gay sex wasn't a sin.

    In my opinion a fine view to hold for a religious man (we don't criticise non Christians for their bigotry) but not necessarily compatible with being the leader of the lib Dems I would agree.
  • I think he was pushed too far - I agree his voting record should have been enough. He probably could have answered better, but he voted in favour of gay marriage. Had he voted against, then the grilling would have been legitimate.
  • Rob7Lee said:

    What is interesting is that the only group that the majority voted conservative were the required. The majority of Full time workers and Part-time workers voted Labour.

    Here is the education split - just for you Dippenhall :)



    Jokes aside on intelligence I don't read too much into the educational split due to the dramatic changes in numbers going onto higher education and university. It's a very different world now in that respect.

    What percentage in the last 5-15 (or maybe longer) years of 18 year olds have gone to Uni? (is it roughly 40%?) compared to say 40 years ago? Doesn't mean those in their 50's/60's/70's etc aren't of Degree intelligence (whatever that is). Also is there a male factor back then, Woman weren't 'expected' to go to University.

    Around 75 of the 250 kids in my year at 16 stayed on to do A Levels, I'd be surprised if half that went to onto University.

    For my parents (late 40's birth) I don't think university would even have been on the radar/an option.

    Maybe @MuttleyCAFC you've stumbled onto the real issue here as @Dippenhall explains.... :wink:

    Not relevant to this particular point @Rob7Lee but how old are you if your parents were born in the late 40s? I assumed you were in your late seventies, not that it matters but it seems I was miles out.
  • Rob7Lee said:

    What is interesting is that the only group that the majority voted conservative were the required. The majority of Full time workers and Part-time workers voted Labour.

    Here is the education split - just for you Dippenhall :)



    Jokes aside on intelligence I don't read too much into the educational split due to the dramatic changes in numbers going onto higher education and university. It's a very different world now in that respect.

    What percentage in the last 5-15 (or maybe longer) years of 18 year olds have gone to Uni? (is it roughly 40%?) compared to say 40 years ago? Doesn't mean those in their 50's/60's/70's etc aren't of Degree intelligence (whatever that is). Also is there a male factor back then, Woman weren't 'expected' to go to University.

    Around 75 of the 250 kids in my year at 16 stayed on to do A Levels, I'd be surprised if half that went to onto University.

    For my parents (late 40's birth) I don't think university would even have been on the radar/an option.

    Maybe @MuttleyCAFC you've stumbled onto the real issue here as @Dippenhall explains.... :wink:

    Not relevant to this particular point @Rob7Lee but how old are you if your parents were born in the late 40s? I assumed you were in your late seventies, not that it matters but it seems I was miles out.
    :blush: i'm in the age bracket where more vote Labour than Tory :wink:
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    I think he was pushed too far - I agree his voting record should have been enough. He probably could have answered better, but he voted in favour of gay marriage. Had he voted against, then the grilling would have been legitimate.

    He could have said something along the lines of: "I am a committed Christian and, as such, hold personal views that guide me in my own personal actions, but, as a committed Christian, I believe that Jesus Christ compels me not to judge others. It is precisely my commitment to the message of Christ that underpins my support for equal rights for all. I do not believe that a politician having firmly held beliefs, provided they do not harm others, underpinning their service to their constituents is a bad thing."

    Which, I'd guess is probably not too far from the truth.
  • Here you are @Chizz. Corbyn harnessed the fluid intelligencia who can believe anything they want to, are susceptible to brainwashing and free to make rash decisions, that's what the young are programmed to do, otherwise nothing would ever change.

    Fine as long as it is individualistic new thinking and you experiment new ideas yourself. But as us crystallised intelligent old gits know, cult leaders and politicians are more or less in the same league, and you have to keep your distance in buying into every word they utter. They both say they are the only ones who can deliver their promises and will paint non-followers as the enemy.

    Corbyn has masterfully employed the tactics of the cult leader to boost membership and support. A politician has to at try and make promises that are half believable to the sceptics, but the cult leader can discard believability. He just has to promise whatever his followers want, convince them who is the enemy with enough passion that excites them into a frenzy that displaces healthy scepticism.

    Why @MuttleyCAFC do you assume that going to university means you are more intelligent? You are subjected to the influence of the teachings of lecturers whose only life experience is gained from being at school, reading books to pass exams and acquiring mostly useless facts that have no value in working for a living. It simply delays your maturation into crystallised intelligence.

    You have surpassed yourself with that philippic @Dippenhall. Thank goodness we have you to harangue us young impressionable types back on to the straight and narrow.

    Tell me you are just on a wind-up it is the only explanation.
  • I think he was pushed too far - I agree his voting record should have been enough. He probably could have answered better, but he voted in favour of gay marriage. Had he voted against, then the grilling would have been legitimate.

    He could have said something along the lines of: "I am a committed Christian and, as such, hold personal views that guide me in my own personal actions, but, as a committed Christian, I believe that Jesus Christ compels me not to judge others. It is precisely my commitment to the message of Christ that underpins my support for equal rights for all. I do not believe that a politician having firmly held beliefs, provided they do not harm others, underpinning their service to their constituents is a bad thing."

    Which, I'd guess is probably not too far from the truth.
    I think he did say that Norns or something like that right at the beginning (of the election rather than creation).

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  • Rob7Lee said:

    Rob7Lee said:

    What is interesting is that the only group that the majority voted conservative were the required. The majority of Full time workers and Part-time workers voted Labour.

    Here is the education split - just for you Dippenhall :)



    Jokes aside on intelligence I don't read too much into the educational split due to the dramatic changes in numbers going onto higher education and university. It's a very different world now in that respect.

    What percentage in the last 5-15 (or maybe longer) years of 18 year olds have gone to Uni? (is it roughly 40%?) compared to say 40 years ago? Doesn't mean those in their 50's/60's/70's etc aren't of Degree intelligence (whatever that is). Also is there a male factor back then, Woman weren't 'expected' to go to University.

    Around 75 of the 250 kids in my year at 16 stayed on to do A Levels, I'd be surprised if half that went to onto University.

    For my parents (late 40's birth) I don't think university would even have been on the radar/an option.

    Maybe @MuttleyCAFC you've stumbled onto the real issue here as @Dippenhall explains.... :wink:

    Not relevant to this particular point @Rob7Lee but how old are you if your parents were born in the late 40s? I assumed you were in your late seventies, not that it matters but it seems I was miles out.
    :blush: i'm in the age bracket where more vote Labour than Tory :wink:
    Then you need rescuing my friend, there is more to life than running through wheat fields you know.
    Tend to steer clear of the wheat fields, wouldn't want to get in trouble. I'll await to be rescued.
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    Owen Smith to be announced as Shadow Minister/Secretary for Northern Ireland.
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    Not relevant to this particular point @Rob7Lee but how old are you if your parents were born in the late 40s? I assumed you were in your late seventies, not that it matters but it seems I was miles out.

    :blush: i'm in the age bracket where more vote Labour than Tory :wink:

    Then you need rescuing my friend, there is more to life than running through wheat fields you know.

    Tend to steer clear of the wheat fields, wouldn't want to get in trouble. I'll await to be rescued.





    Gluten intolerant?

    @MuttleyCAFC is, as I type, knocking out some top quality t-shirts (www.muttleyprinting.co.uk) saying things like rescue the ex-Lewisham one and no taxation without cost benefit analysis . He has already done some leaflets and posters and our ageing group of centre lefties with our crystallised not fluid intelligence have covered most of Kent.

    Hold steady help is coming.
  • And you think it's me that needs help :smile:

  • We on the left 'own' our helplessness, in fact it defines us.
  • We on the left 'own' our helplessness, in fact it defines us.

    :wink: Margaret Moran. You'll be quoting Mr Miyagi soon.
  • Owen Smith to be announced as Shadow Minister/Secretary for Northern Ireland.

    Olive branch or poison chalice? :-)
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