Old Valley fencing dating required please
It is a section of the old railings that were up during our most successful spell and was taken from the terracing alongside the main stand in the NW corner.
I am thinking about tidying it up and finding a suitable place in my garden. I want to give it a plaque (I don't care if you think its sad BTW) to indicate where it came from and when it might have been installed at The Valley.
Do any of our knowledgeable Lifers know this please? Perhaps @Henry Irving ?
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I don't know when it was installed but for the Plaque, Davis Architectural in Anchor and hope lane are making some signs for me, i'll let you know what they're like.2
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CLB74 is your man.TellyTubby said:I have a section of fence that I bought (yes really) from the workers who were brought in to tidy the ground before construction back in 1990?
It is a section of the old railings that were up during our most successful spell and was taken from the terracing alongside the main stand in the NW corner.
I am thinking about tidying it up and finding a suitable place in my garden. I want to give it a plaque (I don't care if you think its sad BTW) to indicate where it came from and when it might have been installed at The Valley.
Do any of our knowledgeable Lifers know this please? Perhaps @Henry Irving ?2 -
@clb74 Is this so, can you help please?
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Hi telly I'm afraid not Elfsborg s attempt at a joke.
Elfs when someone's trying to find out some information is there a need to mess about.2 -
Is this the interlocking arched metal pitchside fencing?
Other than saying the obvious that it should be in a Museum I would guess that it was install ed 1930s when the east stand was developed.
A photo would be great as we can then look back at old ground pictures.0 -
This probably shows my but if fence in situ. My guess was the 30's.
I wouldn't want to deprive the museum but you will have to wait until my passing and then maybe that of mrs TT too. I will update my will.
In the words of Charlton Heston about his piece of valley fence:
"Pry it from my cold dead hands"
Well I think it was about his fence anyway.
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I'm assuming it's the picket fencing rather than the hooligan fencing?5
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You assume correctly, the hooligan fencing is circa 1980's.Wheresmeticket? said:I'm assuming it's the picket fencing rather than the hooligan fencing?
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That's what I thought, though either way fair play to you. (I quite like the idea of someone having crowd control fencing in their back garden).TellyTubby said:
You assume correctly, the hooligan fencing is circa 1980's.Wheresmeticket? said:I'm assuming it's the picket fencing rather than the hooligan fencing?
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I am very sorry.clb74 said:Hi telly I'm afraid not Elfsborg s attempt at a joke.
Elfs when someone's trying to find out some information is there a need to mess about.4 -
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I only wanted the historic bit but I couldn't have got the big fencing in my Morris 1000 van.Wheresmeticket? said:
That's what I thought, though either way fair play to you. (I quite like the idea of someone having crowd control fencing in their back garden).TellyTubby said:
You assume correctly, the hooligan fencing is circa 1980's.Wheresmeticket? said:I'm assuming it's the picket fencing rather than the hooligan fencing?
I was keen to get something as from 1985 my bit of grass had died and my seat was left on the bus cos I had a couple of sherberts after the game.7 -
Henry already has the asbestos sheet roofing panels from the Covered End in the museum.
If you visit, you can't miss him. He's the one with the face mask.6 -
I see that that stuff is catalogued on page 12 of "Fencing Morons In Monthly", part number Spanna1978Wheresmeticket? said:I'm assuming it's the picket fencing rather than the hooligan fencing?
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The railings are clearly in place on the uncovered covered end in 1923 as shown on this film clip...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQOK3bfMAbw
It is hard to tell from the film if the railings carried on round to the NW terrace. However, the film shows the railings in place to the front of the West stand so it figures they would have been installed on that terrace as well.3 -
Do you mean when the east terrace was developed or when the west stand was developed?Henry Irving said:Is this the interlocking arched metal pitchside fencing?
Other than saying the obvious that it should be in a Museum I would guess that it was install ed 1930s when the east stand was developed.
A photo would be great as we can then look back at old ground pictures.0 -
More like mid-1960s or 1970s railings. Similar railings were (and are) used in public parks (especially around childrens playgrounds). I doubt that the ones in the photo date as far back as the 1930s. Much metalwork was removed during WWII.3
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TK is currently reviewing the video to work out who he can ban for attempted pitch invasion.stockportaddick said:The railings are clearly in place on the uncovered covered end in 1923 as shown on this film clip...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQOK3bfMAbw
It is hard to tell from the film if the railings carried on round to the NW terrace. However, the film shows the railings in place to the front of the West stand so it figures they would have been installed on that terrace as well.
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got the wrong gist about this thread - opened it expecting to find details of dating disasters whilst joining a fencing class.
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Well don't leave it there. I am sure we all want to know your story now.golfaddick said:got the wrong gist about this thread - opened it expecting to find details of dating disasters whilst joining a fencing class.
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Were the railings replaced or was the perimeter wall built around them to secure them and make them safer?
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So do you have a photo of your bit of fencing?0
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She must have misunderstood what you meant when you asked if you could get touchy-feely with your épée.golfaddick said:got the wrong gist about this thread - opened it expecting to find details of dating disasters whilst joining a fencing class.
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It's yours so keep it. Just good to know it exists and is being looked after. Remember us in your will though
I think that is post-Bolton 1923 wall collapse, as seen on the video.
Can I tweet the pic on @chathmuseum1 -
Good photo Telly Tubby. An old friend of ours also has some of the fencing also likes hamburgers maybe he could help you.1
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You should get an idea if you look at the world war photo that appears on this site from time to time, but I am unable to find it.1
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For what it's worth, I would urge you not to 'tidy it up'. There is a certain gravitas and beauty about well-worn and used pieces which is often undone by attempts to restore them.
Anyway, none of my business, but thanks for posting the picture - I wonder how many of us gripped those very railings...4 -
Fair point but it is deteriorating. I wonder how long it will last if not treated.Redskin said:For what it's worth, I would urge you not to 'tidy it up'. There is a certain gravitas and beauty about well-worn and used pieces which is often undone by attempts to restore them.
Anyway, none of my business, but thanks for posting the picture - I wonder how many of us gripped those very railings...
It has been painted many times in its lifetime to keep it from oxidising and smart.
I will give your suggestion serious consideration. My gut feeling is that deteriation needs to be halted.0 -
Best to not leave it outside or better still speak to professional restoration experts about what it can be sprayed/treated with to preserve it in its current state.TellyTubby said:
Fair point but it is deteriorating. I wonder how long it will last if not treated.Redskin said:For what it's worth, I would urge you not to 'tidy it up'. There is a certain gravitas and beauty about well-worn and used pieces which is often undone by attempts to restore them.
Anyway, none of my business, but thanks for posting the picture - I wonder how many of us gripped those very railings...
It has been painted many times in its lifetime to keep it from oxidising and smart.
I will give your suggestion serious consideration. My gut feeling is that deteriation needs to be halted.
PS OK to tweet the pick?
How much did it cost you in 1990?
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