Southeastern train disruption (franchise to be taken over by Govt p191)
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Was travelling on Southeastern yesterday and they were announcing that due to the weather on Friday 13 October trains would be subject to delays and not calling at all advertised stations.
What's that all about? Is severe weather due today?
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Just checked their website, its to do with higher than expected leaf-fall today!!!
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That's a good one.iaitch said:Was travelling on Southeastern yesterday and they were announcing that due to the weather on Friday 13 October trains would be subject to delays and not calling at all advertised stations.
What's that all about? Is severe weather due today?
Like getting on a bus and the bus driver not stopping at all stops because...well...you know... who gives a fuck.12 -
Yep, completely unprepared for the meterological freak of nature known as "Autumn".
It's bollocks. Is there any other industry in the world that wouldn't bother to invest in a solution to a problem like this.
Tyre manufacturers and car makers invest billions looking at ways to enhance the performance of their products.
Airlines - it takes too long to check people in, lets let them do it online.
Shipmakers - invest millions in making their boats less likely to sink and more resilient to extreme weather.
The UK rail network - What shall we do about this leaf problem that causes huge disruption to our services every year? Sit on our arses and count the cash. They're only our customers.
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The UK rail network is owned and run by the government - we are NOT "customers" of the government. They are literally taking us for a ride by making us think this!MrLargo said:Yep, completely unprepared for the meterological freak of nature known as "Autumn".
It's bollocks. Is there any other industry in the world that wouldn't bother to invest in a solution to a problem like this.
Tyre manufacturers and car makers invest billions looking at ways to enhance the performance of their products.
Airlines - it takes too long to check people in, lets let them do it online.
Shipmakers - invest millions in making their boats less likely to sink and more resilient to extreme weather.
The UK rail network - What shall we do about this leaf problem that causes huge disruption to our services every year? Sit on our arses and count the cash. They're only our customers.2 -
I think I saw somewhere once that there is a train built to clear leaves from the lines. I think it was called a Swedish Scrubber or something similar.
Proper train porn there.6 -
Blimey the train spotters would be knocking one out seeing that.4
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It's to do with their bullshit Autumn timetable that they openly admit is die to a few leaves on the track. It's a load of bullshit. It's just a way they can add an extra 5 mins to every journey to hide the fact their bullshit system doesn't work and their trains are always late.iaitch said:Was travelling on Southeastern yesterday and they were announcing that due to the weather on Friday 13 October trains would be subject to delays and not calling at all advertised stations.
What's that all about? Is severe weather due today?
They don't reverse the changes in spring so every year your journey time gets slightly longer.2 - Sponsored links:
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This is sort of true, at the design concept meeting when Anders Svensson announced his machine and introduced everyone to "Ulf Scuttler" the people in the meeting room were all too busy laughing at the name to sign it offSuedeAdidas said:I think I saw somewhere once that there is a train built to clear leaves from the lines. I think it was called a Swedish Scrubber or something similar.
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Most trains are fitted with sand boxes to overcome this problem. It's caused by the slime the leaves leave behind. Don't know why they don't/can't use them.
But as I said, there's 68 new numbers to get.
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The trains not calling at advertised stations "due to leaf fall" between Dartford and Gravesend are all in the middle of the day.
By the middle of the day, loads of trains will already have travelled over the rails meaning that by this time rail adhesion should be as good as it's going to get. By definition it's the first trains of the day that , if any, will be affected.
Presumably it's some other reason for introducing the decision to not call at stations in the middle of the day, and I don't remember this ever being done in previous years1 -
They have been getting hammered on Twitter over it and yesterday changed the story to "Network Rail told us to do this" to avoid getting any more blame.
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Going back to my early days at work in the mid-80s, but does my memory serve me right that some stations were "request" and you had to pull the cord to get the driver to stop? Have it in my head that this included Deptford and Woolwich Dockyard on the Cannon Street-Dartford line.Dennis_inthelastmin said:The trains not calling at advertised stations "due to leaf fall" between Dartford and Gravesend are all in the middle of the day.
By the middle of the day, loads of trains will already have travelled over the rails meaning that by this time rail adhesion should be as good as it's going to get. By definition it's the first trains of the day that , if any, will be affected.
Presumably it's some other reason for introducing the decision to not call at stations in the middle of the day, and I don't remember this ever being done in previous years0 -
sounds like you got on normal trains that just didn't stop at certain stations and pulled the emergency cord when you wanted off.TelMc32 said:
Going back to my early days at work in the mid-80s, but does my memory serve me right that some stations were "request" and you had to pull the cord to get the driver to stop? Have it in my head that this included Deptford and Woolwich Dockyard on the Cannon Street-Dartford line.Dennis_inthelastmin said:The trains not calling at advertised stations "due to leaf fall" between Dartford and Gravesend are all in the middle of the day.
By the middle of the day, loads of trains will already have travelled over the rails meaning that by this time rail adhesion should be as good as it's going to get. By definition it's the first trains of the day that , if any, will be affected.
Presumably it's some other reason for introducing the decision to not call at stations in the middle of the day, and I don't remember this ever being done in previous years15 -
Just looked and there's currently 1 train an hour on the Bexleyheath line out of Cannon St. I'm fairly sure that's not normal but in this sort of extreme weather it's hard to see how any train company could run a normal service. I mean, it's dry, fairly warm and not noticeably windy!!7
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This is comical - top wind speed to day in London 13 mph and 17mph down in Hastings - the real reason is to improve punctuality figures so they can avoid a fine or lie about them in the franchise bid.iaitch said:Just checked their website, its to do with higher than expected leaf-fall today!!!
I assume its going to be windy today.3 -
They are doing the same as a result of the London Bridge work - no time taken off the timetables when trains don't stop at London Bridge during the work - but the timetables for when the work is completed add time on so that they can make the additional stops at London Bridge - and of course no extra trains for Southeastern customers after the work is completed. 3 years of pain for slower train journeys - the only slime is the management of Southeastern and not the leaves on the track.cantersaddick said:
It's to do with their bullshit Autumn timetable that they openly admit is die to a few leaves on the track. It's a load of bullshit. It's just a way they can add an extra 5 mins to every journey to hide the fact their bullshit system doesn't work and their trains are always late.iaitch said:Was travelling on Southeastern yesterday and they were announcing that due to the weather on Friday 13 October trains would be subject to delays and not calling at all advertised stations.
What's that all about? Is severe weather due today?
They don't reverse the changes in spring so every year your journey time gets slightly longer.1 -
After the number of times I ended up in Gillingham sidings, that's a load of bollocks!!cafcdave123 said:
sounds like you got on normal trains that just didn't stop at certain stations and pulled the emergency cord when you wanted off.TelMc32 said:
Going back to my early days at work in the mid-80s, but does my memory serve me right that some stations were "request" and you had to pull the cord to get the driver to stop? Have it in my head that this included Deptford and Woolwich Dockyard on the Cannon Street-Dartford line.Dennis_inthelastmin said:The trains not calling at advertised stations "due to leaf fall" between Dartford and Gravesend are all in the middle of the day.
By the middle of the day, loads of trains will already have travelled over the rails meaning that by this time rail adhesion should be as good as it's going to get. By definition it's the first trains of the day that , if any, will be affected.
Presumably it's some other reason for introducing the decision to not call at stations in the middle of the day, and I don't remember this ever being done in previous years
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And people move to the countryside for the cheaper housing and 'quality of life'. ?..there's a reason why the houses are cheaper in SE London and out in the sticks and it can be found throughout this thread. If it hasn't got a tube station within a ten minute walk then it should come with a government health warning that travelling anywhere is going to be an expensive and shit experience and you probably will see a lot less of your home than you would like.2
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Of course. It's our lot in life and we should just sit down and meekly accept it.letthegoodtimesroll said:And people move to the countryside for the cheaper housing and 'quality of life'. ?..there's a reason why the houses are cheaper in SE London and out in the sticks and it can be found throughout this thread. If it hasn't got a tube station within a ten minute walk then it should come with a government health warning that travelling anywhere is going to be an expensive and shit experience and you probably will see a lot less of your home than you would like.
We should in no way criticise that we have the worst service in Europe and the highest prices.6 -
You do need to be awake to pull the cord.TelMc32 said:
After the number of times I ended up in Gillingham sidings, that's a load of bollocks!!cafcdave123 said:
sounds like you got on normal trains that just didn't stop at certain stations and pulled the emergency cord when you wanted off.TelMc32 said:
Going back to my early days at work in the mid-80s, but does my memory serve me right that some stations were "request" and you had to pull the cord to get the driver to stop? Have it in my head that this included Deptford and Woolwich Dockyard on the Cannon Street-Dartford line.Dennis_inthelastmin said:The trains not calling at advertised stations "due to leaf fall" between Dartford and Gravesend are all in the middle of the day.
By the middle of the day, loads of trains will already have travelled over the rails meaning that by this time rail adhesion should be as good as it's going to get. By definition it's the first trains of the day that , if any, will be affected.
Presumably it's some other reason for introducing the decision to not call at stations in the middle of the day, and I don't remember this ever being done in previous years1 -
No trains to Cannon Street, disruption until midday, at which point they will update the message to read "Disruption expected until 8pm".
https://www.southeasternrailway.co.uk/travel-information/live-travel-information/service-disruption?uq=636437338446027967#INCF082A5E5208143C08FB909F2105BE8570 -
Incredible.MrLargo said:No trains to Cannon Street, disruption until midday, at which point they will update the message to read "Disruption expected until 8pm".
https://www.southeasternrailway.co.uk/travel-information/live-travel-information/service-disruption?uq=636437338446027967#INCF082A5E5208143C08FB909F2105BE8570 -
'Alternatively you can use London Underground'.
Yeh, f****g brilliant at New Eltham or Mottingham....
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Got on one this morning from Falconwood - indicated that it is only going as far as London Bridge.
Get to Lewisham to be informed going to Charing X, next stop London Bridge.
Get just outside London Bridge only to be told the train terminates here.
get off at London Bridge and ask the member of staff for next train to Charing X, "the one you just got off off" came the reply.
Got back on, just for another prick to tell me to get off.
Fuckwits.16 -
Trains are now running ok, bit delayed and the odd cancellation. God knows why but this one I got on at westcombe park is 3/4 empty0
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Back to work after two weeks off. On the 0821 from Dartford that has just limped into lewisham at 0910. Joke. Yes boss, I was up in time on my first day back it’s just that the trains are fucked. Begins to wear a bit thin after a while.3
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8:03 to Victoria was absolutely packed this morning and "CAN YOU MOVE DOWN PLEASE" was met with a truthful reply of "there is nowhere to move"
was quite amusing hearing peoples responses, we had "I know but can you just make a little bit room as I need to get to work", "YOULL NEED TO MAKE ROOM!" and my favourite is someone tapping on the window trying to tell everyone who had to move and where to.
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