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The influence of the EU on Britain.

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  • Addickted said:

    No. I'm suggesting the employment figures are a positive economic parameter post Brexit vote

    Yes. Charlton are doing better post the Brexit vote. But I can't see how in either case the Brexit vote caused these two things. Not least as the trend in higher employment started before the Brexit vote and is currently a pan European phenomenon.

    Is this perhaps one of your terribly sophisticated wind ups, and I am about to be whooshed?
  • ...and that's before we even start all over again on the planned Henry VIII powers Stonemuse has defended as an improvement on the current situation previously.
    I know I’m getting older and my memory plays tricks ... and I’ve also had a nice bottle of red wine tonight ... but can you point me towards my post where I specifically supported the ‘Henry VIII’ approach?
  • stonemuse said:

    I know I’m getting older and my memory plays tricks ... and I’ve also had a nice bottle of red wine tonight ... but can you point me towards my post where I specifically supported the ‘Henry VIII’ approach?
    Any of those where you've previously argued it's more democratic because we can vote out Gove, Hunt, Truss, Mogg, Boris or whoever else happens to be a minister that month if we don't like what they've decided. Are you now saying you do NOT think that aspect of the Repeal Bill is an example of improved sovereignty and democracy for the UK?
  • Back to the Irish problem...........

    I can't see a solution to this & hence I think we will leave with no deal.

    For Brexit to have worked then we have to have a border between us & the other EU countries. Eire is an EU country and N.Ireland is part of the UK. Therefore to leave successfully there has to be a border between the 2 countries. and one that can monitor people, goods & services crossing that border. You can't simply say "in the interest of peace, goodwill, or the Good Friday agreement" etc etc we wont have a hard border, because then anyone or anything can enter Eire and then move into the UK without any checks. You can't just treat the 2 countries as one single one for convenience - I'm sure Sein Fein or the DUP will have something to say about that.

    This isn't a political problem that can be solved by negotiation, it is a hard fact problem.
  • "Britain's five biggest business lobby groups are calling for an urgent Brexit transition deal, or they warn the UK risks losing jobs and investment...Sky News and the Guardian reported they had seen the draft letter, which says an agreement on a transition "is needed as soon as possible, as companies are preparing to make serious decisions at the start of 2018, which will have consequences for jobs and investment in the UK"..."

    a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41716284">bbc.co.uk/news/business-41716284

  • Oops bit of a typo (predictive text) meant to say/read "and let us trade"
  • edited October 2017

    Europe need us more than we need Europe, free the bloody trade shackles and let's U.S. trade on our terms with the America's, Australasia, Far East, Russia etc........ Europe will come cap in hand they need their products being imported into the UK and vice versa but once more on our terms, not theirs.

    I'm already able to buy American software, beer and meat from Down Under, technology and textiles from the Far East, fruit and vegetables from Africa and vodka from Russia, all at very reasonable prices. Not sure there would be any benefit to me of leaving the EU in this regard but I'm sure one of the self-appointed experts on here will enlighten me.
  • Oops bit of a typo (predictive text) meant to say/read "and let us trade"

    Hi @Daarrzzetbum I've edited your text. You can do it yourself in future though by clicking on the cog wheel (top right of post) and then selecting edit.
  • edited October 2017

    Any of those where you've previously argued it's more democratic because we can vote out Gove, Hunt, Truss, Mogg, Boris or whoever else happens to be a minister that month if we don't like what they've decided. Are you now saying you do NOT think that aspect of the Repeal Bill is an example of improved sovereignty and democracy for the UK?
    Voting out a minister is an aspect of the Repeal Bill?
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  • edited October 2017

    Any of those where you've previously argued it's more democratic because we can vote out Gove, Hunt, Truss, Mogg, Boris or whoever else happens to be a minister that month if we don't like what they've decided. Are you now saying you do NOT think that aspect of the Repeal Bill is an example of improved sovereignty and democracy for the UK?
    Obviously I support the ultimate aims of the Repeal Bill.

    Not convinced I have ever stated that I support the ‘Henry VIII’ approach. Individual ministers should not have that power ... that makes the situation no better.

    Again, please point out where I stated this.
  • edited October 2017
    stonemuse said:

    Obviously I support the ultimate aims of the Repeal Bill.

    Not convinced I have ever stated that I support the ‘Henry VIII’ approach. Individual ministers should not have that power ... that makes the situation no better.

    Again, please point out where I stated this.
    More than one Leaver on here has previously justified the Henry VIII provisions in the Repeal Bill; on the dubious basis that the ministers using those executive powers within that bill (to unilaterally change UK law) are accountable at elections.

    I'm not going to go back and start searching through the old threads tbh but if this was not you and I've got my posters mixed up then I hold my hands up and sincerely apologise.
  • Statistical Bollocks Seth, our growth will be the with rest of the world on our terms not the EU's, Europe is shrinking as a market with the rest of the world on the increase/growth, once we have gone others will follow and the so called Presidential state of Europe will be no more.

    The statistics are from the Polish foreign minister in Prague's film above.
    Why are they nonsense?
    It may be that trade will grow with other countries, but what does the UK produce that a country such as Bangladesh wants to pay for?
  • Fact No 1 you did respond mate (Red in SE8), fact No 2 is we are out.
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  • Can't be bothered to reply to this. The arguments and debate deployed by Brexiteers on here and elsewhere just gets weaker, more nonsensical, more fact free and desperate with each passing week.
    None of which matters because we're out
  • Fiiish said:

    You joke but most Brexit voters are still under the illusion that EU migrants are going to be deported en masse in May 2019.

    If it helps though anyone who think all non-ethnically British people should not be here could always refuse to use a hospital, surgery, school, shop or service that employs non-English staff. Because if they did use such services they might be at risk of being hypocrites.
    Happy to put the record straight (again!).
    I can't speak for other Brexit voters, but if there are any deportations (other than on the basis of illegal entry or extradition), then I will be the first at the border point with a banner and a megaphone to protest.

    I have no interest in the ethnic origin of our existing population - but I don't want the future population of this island to be 100 million, and we cannot control the number when we have free movement from the EU (500 million population). Not forgetting that the 5 million (?) Brits who live abroad have the right to return should they wish.

    The current UK population projection for 2040 is 75 million.
    There is already a chronic housing shortage, we are no strangers to water rationing, and if we resort to building on agricultural land we will be at the mercy of other nations - just like we are now with energy.

    Remoaners often want to make Brexit about racism, but for me it is about numbers.
  • More than one Leaver on here has previously justified the Henry VIII provisions in the Repeal Bill; on the dubious basis that the ministers using those executive powers within that bill (to unilaterally change UK law) are accountable at elections.

    I'm not going to go back and start searching through the old threads tbh but if this was not you and I've got my posters mixed up then I hold my hands up and sincerely apologise.
    Thank you
  • Totally understand the complexities of trade tariffs and reciprocity (cafcfan, I like it as you say revenge) but we at least will have the freedom to stand alone, make our own decisions, negotiate, and not let others dictate to us, fundamentally that is why we democratically voted to leave.

    Seth, interestingly Bangladesh is a rapidly growing economy 6% year on year, and with that growth there are opportunities for export products & services, growth fuels cash & investments.

    Have you got any particular products and services in mind?
  • Happy to put the record straight (again!).
    I can't speak for other Brexit voters, but if there are any deportations (other than on the basis of illegal entry or extradition), then I will be the first at the border point with a banner and a megaphone to protest.

    I have no interest in the ethnic origin of our existing population - but I don't want the future population of this island to be 100 million, and we cannot control the number when we have free movement from the EU (500 million population). Not forgetting that the 5 million (?) Brits who live abroad have the right to return should they wish.

    The current UK population projection for 2040 is 75 million.
    There is already a chronic housing shortage, we are no strangers to water rationing, and if we resort to building on agricultural land we will be at the mercy of other nations - just like we are now with energy.

    Remoaners often want to make Brexit about racism, but for me it is about numbers.
    don't disagree about the numbers thing, but you have to ask why the government allowed 150k pa (net) from non EU countries last year, and did nothing to control migration from new EU states, as they had the right to do (and Cameron negotiated a brake as well prior to he referendum). The only thing likely to slow down immigration after leaving is turninthe country into such a bob hole nobody wants to come here - like in the 60s and 70s prior to joining the EU!
  • seth plum said:

    Have you got any particular products and services in mind?
    Tin foil hats and straight bananas?
  • Blimey passion in abundance, apologies for posting & creating a bit of an EU shite storm, now count to 10 &..................breathe.
  • Oops bit of a typo (predictive text) meant to say/read "and let us trade"

    Careful with typos, you will have weird willie wordsworth on your back.
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