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  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,158
    Red_in_SE8 said:

    Dippenhall said:

    Other interesting statistics you can draw:

    94% of Leave voters were not minded to take notice of the risks to trade and the economy. (Only 6% thought the economy and trade would be better.)
    43% of Remain voters voted because of the risks to jobs, trade and the economy.

    No Leave voters it would appear said they voted because they thought £360m a week would go to the NHS. (Remain voters didn't believe it either, but assume Leave voters, being less well educated, thought it was true.)

    Conclusion - Remain voters trust what the establishment feeds them, except if it's from Boris Johnson.

    I would say the conclusion is Remain voters are able to tell the difference between real news and fake news and between facts and made up nonsense. And Brexit voters are even more stupid and ill educated than anyone realised.
    Best throw my Phd in the bin then.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,642
    Chippycafc said:

    Red_in_SE8 said:

    Dippenhall said:

    Other interesting statistics you can draw:

    94% of Leave voters were not minded to take notice of the risks to trade and the economy. (Only 6% thought the economy and trade would be better.)
    43% of Remain voters voted because of the risks to jobs, trade and the economy.

    No Leave voters it would appear said they voted because they thought £360m a week would go to the NHS. (Remain voters didn't believe it either, but assume Leave voters, being less well educated, thought it was true.)

    Conclusion - Remain voters trust what the establishment feeds them, except if it's from Boris Johnson.

    I would say the conclusion is Remain voters are able to tell the difference between real news and fake news and between facts and made up nonsense. And Brexit voters are even more stupid and ill educated than anyone realised.
    Best throw my Phd in the bin then.
    Doctor of Philosophy - I’d hang on to it if I were you. Somehow I’d imagined a doctorate would require better grammar and vocabulary but hey we have already been there.

  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,353
    Every time one of you acts like a jerk about Chippy's vocabulary, Brexit becomes 0.00001% more justified, fyi
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,023
    Red_in_SE8 said:

    Dippenhall said:

    Other interesting statistics you can draw:

    94% of Leave voters were not minded to take notice of the risks to trade and the economy. (Only 6% thought the economy and trade would be better.)
    43% of Remain voters voted because of the risks to jobs, trade and the economy.

    No Leave voters it would appear said they voted because they thought £360m a week would go to the NHS. (Remain voters didn't believe it either, but assume Leave voters, being less well educated, thought it was true.)

    Conclusion - Remain voters trust what the establishment feeds them, except if it's from Boris Johnson.

    I would say the conclusion is Remain voters are able to tell the difference between real news and fake news and between facts and made up nonsense. And Brexit voters are even more stupid and ill educated than anyone realised.
    I bet you are made up to be part of the intelligentsia.

    Clever you.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,642
    edited October 2017
    Leuth said:

    Every time one of you acts like a jerk about Chippy's vocabulary, Brexit becomes 0.00001% more justified, fyi

    Don’t worry yourself Leuth.

    Chippy thinks I’m a stalker and I think he’s a semi literate doctor.

    We’re fine with our roles in this play. Honest.

    I doubt either are accurate.
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,158
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Chippycafc said:

    Red_in_SE8 said:

    Dippenhall said:

    Other interesting statistics you can draw:

    94% of Leave voters were not minded to take notice of the risks to trade and the economy. (Only 6% thought the economy and trade would be better.)
    43% of Remain voters voted because of the risks to jobs, trade and the economy.

    No Leave voters it would appear said they voted because they thought £360m a week would go to the NHS. (Remain voters didn't believe it either, but assume Leave voters, being less well educated, thought it was true.)

    Conclusion - Remain voters trust what the establishment feeds them, except if it's from Boris Johnson.

    I would say the conclusion is Remain voters are able to tell the difference between real news and fake news and between facts and made up nonsense. And Brexit voters are even more stupid and ill educated than anyone realised.
    Best throw my Phd in the bin then.
    Doctor of Philosophy - I’d hang on to it if I were you. Somehow I’d imagined a doctorate would require better grammar and vocabulary but hey we have already been there.

    No we haven't, you have, as you have done with other posters.. Are you not bored with it yet. You are rather creepy.
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,158
    Leuth said:

    Every time one of you acts like a jerk about Chippy's vocabulary, Brexit becomes 0.00001% more justified, fyi

    Well said, thats anorher poster telling him. But sadly he doesn't have the brains to listen.
  • Fiiish
    Fiiish Posts: 7,998
    Can we stop criticising each other's grammar, its no achieve things.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,642
    edited October 2017
    Chippycafc said:

    Leuth said:

    Every time one of you acts like a jerk about Chippy's vocabulary, Brexit becomes 0.00001% more justified, fyi

    Well said, (.)thats ()That’s anorher poster telling him. But sadly he doesn't have the brains to listen.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,353
    The battle for hearts and minds won't be won by calling (or even thinking) people illiterate plebs.

    On threads like this, the onus is on Remoaners like me to argue successfully against Brexit (or hard Brexit, or whatever we're currently fighting idk) and present the facts in a cogent and accessible way. It isn't for us to call each other idiots, no matter how much we want to, because that doesn't get anyone anywhere.

    (If someone posts something completely ridiculous, like 'Brexit will cut our hospital waiting times and school waiting lists!!!' then I reserve the right to be a little terse)

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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,353
    Fiiish said:

    Can we stop criticising each other's grammar, its no achieve things.

    Aye, ya wee roaster
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Do facts matter any more? People seem motivated by some kind of vibe, whatever the facts of the situation.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,353
    edited October 2017
    seth plum said:

    Do facts matter any more? People seem motivated by some kind of vibe, whatever the facts of the situation.

    I guess you're right about this. Present the facts in a cogent, accessible and bloody relatable way you'd have a bloody good pint with
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,158
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Chippycafc said:

    Leuth said:

    Every time one of you acts like a jerk about Chippy's vocabulary, Brexit becomes 0.00001% more justified, fyi

    Well said, (.)thats ()That’s anorher poster telling him. But sadly he doesn't have the brains to listen.
    Creepy
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,642
    Chippycafc said:

    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Chippycafc said:

    Leuth said:

    Every time one of you acts like a jerk about Chippy's vocabulary, Brexit becomes 0.00001% more justified, fyi

    Well said, (.)thats ()That’s anorher poster telling him. But sadly he doesn't have the brains to listen.
    Creepy
    Truce Chippy.

  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,158
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Chippycafc said:

    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Chippycafc said:

    Leuth said:

    Every time one of you acts like a jerk about Chippy's vocabulary, Brexit becomes 0.00001% more justified, fyi

    Well said, (.)thats ()That’s anorher poster telling him. But sadly he doesn't have the brains to listen.
    Creepy
    Truce Chippy.

    Sure, i offered that two weeks ago, within a day you were at it again, see how long this lasts.
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,161
    Leuth said:

    The battle for hearts and minds won't be won by calling (or even thinking) people illiterate plebs.

    Agree. Neither will it be won by Brexiteers criticising people like me for bothering to check my assertions online before posting; posting the latest relevant economic data; or complaining when the politician charged with negotiating with the EU27 calls one such country by a name that is out of date by 25 years and implies that another such country does not exist. Even more will it not be won by explicitly or implicitly labelling people like me as part of some 'elite' on no better grounds than that I got a Grade 1 "O" level in English Language (and a year early, I'd have you know :-)). And if none of that works, demanding that the thread is closed down.

    It works both ways and frankly, while personal abuse is always a sign that you've lost it, I've had a basinfull of the argument that I should rein it in because, it is assumed, I don't understand the lives of poor "disenchanted" Brexit voters. Such an argument is every bit as arrogant as those who dismiss Brexit arguments on the grounds that the person - as opposed to their stated position- is stupid.
  • cafcpolo
    cafcpolo Posts: 3,813
    Chippycafc said:

    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Chippycafc said:

    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Chippycafc said:

    Leuth said:

    Every time one of you acts like a jerk about Chippy's vocabulary, Brexit becomes 0.00001% more justified, fyi

    Well said, (.)thats ()That’s anorher poster telling him. But sadly he doesn't have the brains to listen.
    Creepy
    Truce Chippy.

    Sure, i offered that two weeks ago, within a day you were at it again, see how long this lasts.
    I* :wink:
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    @PragueAddick. Can you post proof of your 'Grade 1 English Language 'O' Level result? :wink:

  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,045
    Chippycafc said:

    Red_in_SE8 said:

    Dippenhall said:

    Other interesting statistics you can draw:

    94% of Leave voters were not minded to take notice of the risks to trade and the economy. (Only 6% thought the economy and trade would be better.)
    43% of Remain voters voted because of the risks to jobs, trade and the economy.

    No Leave voters it would appear said they voted because they thought £360m a week would go to the NHS. (Remain voters didn't believe it either, but assume Leave voters, being less well educated, thought it was true.)

    Conclusion - Remain voters trust what the establishment feeds them, except if it's from Boris Johnson.

    I would say the conclusion is Remain voters are able to tell the difference between real news and fake news and between facts and made up nonsense. And Brexit voters are even more stupid and ill educated than anyone realised.
    Best throw my Phd in the bin then.
    Wow, you must be one of the metropolitan elite that Southbank likes to bang on about then.

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  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,158
    Stig said:

    Chippycafc said:

    Red_in_SE8 said:

    Dippenhall said:

    Other interesting statistics you can draw:

    94% of Leave voters were not minded to take notice of the risks to trade and the economy. (Only 6% thought the economy and trade would be better.)
    43% of Remain voters voted because of the risks to jobs, trade and the economy.

    No Leave voters it would appear said they voted because they thought £360m a week would go to the NHS. (Remain voters didn't believe it either, but assume Leave voters, being less well educated, thought it was true.)

    Conclusion - Remain voters trust what the establishment feeds them, except if it's from Boris Johnson.

    I would say the conclusion is Remain voters are able to tell the difference between real news and fake news and between facts and made up nonsense. And Brexit voters are even more stupid and ill educated than anyone realised.
    Best throw my Phd in the bin then.
    Wow, you must be one of the metropolitan elite that Southbank likes to bang on about then.
    No just an ordinary guy who wanted to move on and do my best for my family, as we all do. Never took the Dr bit either.
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,161
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,642
    I’m tempted.
  • aliwibble
    aliwibble Posts: 26,446
    Stig said:

    Here's the Metropolitan elite. Do let me know if you ever see one.

    I'm more of a District Line man myself.

    image

    Ah CharltonLife. Any excuse to post a picture of a train, no matter what the actual subject under discussion :-)
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,161
    Adults only.

    Especially for @Dippenhall, @stonemuse

  • Imissthepeanutman
    Imissthepeanutman Posts: 1,458
    ONS population growth between 2015 and 2040 projected as

    Uk 16%
    France 10%
    Germany 4%
    Italy - a small decline

    That's my leave vote in a nutshell. Quite which party to vote for to provide an economy land housing and pensions to support that god only knows. I am genuinely worried for my kids future and for our beautiful green spaces and countryside.
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,023
    PragueAddick said:

    Adults only.

    Especially for @Dippenhall, @stonemuse

    Sorry @PragueAddick I don’t get it because as @Red_in_SE8 states, I am stupid and ill-educated.
  • Fiiish
    Fiiish Posts: 7,998
    Imissthepeanutman said:

    ONS population growth between 2015 and 2040 projected as

    Uk 16%
    France 10%
    Germany 4%
    Italy - a small decline

    That's my leave vote in a nutshell. Quite which party to vote for to provide an economy land housing and pensions to support that god only knows. I am genuinely worried for my kids future and for our beautiful green spaces and countryside.

    This has been done to death. As far as population growth goes EU migration is the least of our concerns. If our growing population is your house flooding, worrying about the EU aspect of it is the equivalent of trying to fix your dripping tap.
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,258
    I think if you look at immigration as an impact on population growth you have to look at our colonnial past and international presence. We will always have more people coming in than leaving.

    What I find admirable and have a lot of respect for is those Briton’s who have decided to go and live in another country and culture. We are an island nation and that is in our history and culture, but I truly believe we are very insular in our thinking sometimes
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,258
    Woman on QT now having a pop at mark carney and the BBC for weakening our stance on Brexit and not getting behind it. You couldn’t make it up. What a silly mare. If Brexit is a good idea and will be a success, then mark carney and the bbc’s stance is irrelevant

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