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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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Calling me a liarCovered End said:Christ, some people need to take some time out.
This should be a happy thread, not full of childish point scoring nonsense.
No one cares, it makes you all look pathetic. Give it a rest please.6 -
Good statsAddickted said:
Only scanned?JamesSeed said:
Woah, over-reaction time. I wasn't particularly referring to you, I was just commenting on the thread. A thread which I've only scanned.Valley11 said:
What are you on about? I never quantified anything about Roland's reign or said I'd been 'swayed'. I merely pointed out that we cannot say with any certainty that the new lot will be better than RD, in response to someone who'd posted no owner can be as bad as RD. Clearly they could.JamesSeed said:
It's easy to be swayed by the relatively smooth running of the club (i.e. Robinson's freedom from interference, no network nonsense etc) over the last six months or so. But we were a club for sale once the owner had given up running things his way, so those six months weren't representative of what Roland wanted to do with Charlton.Valley11 said:RedChaser said:
Depends how you interpret 'no owner' I'd take that to mean no new owner of us because I wouldn't think for one minute the Oystons or the Orient destroyer would now want to get involved with us or come to that would be allowed to. Anything else is purely hypothetical.Valley11 said:No one said it’s not a gamble worth taking or that RD was that bad. The point was made that no owner could be as bad as RD.
I disagree with that and the O’s and Blackpool owners would suggest I’m right.
Eh? Sorry that doesn’t make sense. The original statement was:
No owner can be as bad as RD.
Taking your interpretation: Do you really think no new owner can be as bad? That history shows only the two you mention -Becchetti and the Oystons - are as bad as RD?
If you do then you’ve chosen to ignore Cellino (Leeds), SISU Capital (Coventry), Chanrai (Portsmouth), the Venkys (Blackburn) I could go on....
Look, the new lot will hopefully be brilliant and we’ll march to the Premier League and Champions League titles within five years.
But for now you can’t say they won’t be as bad as (or, god forbid, worse than) RD. We simply don’t know.
So yes, plenty of owners are worse than the 'ownership' over the last six months. Few are worse than what went before.
Yet posted on 56 times alone this month.
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Now he's calling you a nerdJamesSeed said:
You've lost me completely, I don't know what you mean about being caught out. Literally I don't.Valley11 said:
When you quote someone, as you did my post, you are absolutely referring to them. That's not taking it 'all so personally', that's just a fact.JamesSeed said:
Woah, over-reaction time. I wasn't particularly referring to you, I was just commenting on the thread. A thread which I've only scanned.Valley11 said:
What are you on about? I never quantified anything about Roland's reign or said I'd been 'swayed'. I merely pointed out that we cannot say with any certainty that the new lot will be better than RD, in response to someone who'd posted no owner can be as bad as RD. Clearly they could.JamesSeed said:
It's easy to be swayed by the relatively smooth running of the club (i.e. Robinson's freedom from interference, no network nonsense etc) over the last six months or so. But we were a club for sale once the owner had given up running things his way, so those six months weren't representative of what Roland wanted to do with Charlton.Valley11 said:RedChaser said:
Depends how you interpret 'no owner' I'd take that to mean no new owner of us because I wouldn't think for one minute the Oystons or the Orient destroyer would now want to get involved with us or come to that would be allowed to. Anything else is purely hypothetical.Valley11 said:No one said it’s not a gamble worth taking or that RD was that bad. The point was made that no owner could be as bad as RD.
I disagree with that and the O’s and Blackpool owners would suggest I’m right.
Eh? Sorry that doesn’t make sense. The original statement was:
No owner can be as bad as RD.
Taking your interpretation: Do you really think no new owner can be as bad? That history shows only the two you mention -Becchetti and the Oystons - are as bad as RD?
If you do then you’ve chosen to ignore Cellino (Leeds), SISU Capital (Coventry), Chanrai (Portsmouth), the Venkys (Blackburn) I could go on....
Look, the new lot will hopefully be brilliant and we’ll march to the Premier League and Champions League titles within five years.
But for now you can’t say they won’t be as bad as (or, god forbid, worse than) RD. We simply don’t know.
So yes, plenty of owners are worse than the 'ownership' over the last six months. Few are worse than what went before.
All I was saying was that there may be some who think new owners might be worse than RD based partly on the way things have been over the last six months, an atypical period in our recent history when a more normal system was in place i.e. no network/Driesen, not interfence
Obviously when RD's way of running things was in full sway it's hard to imagine anything being worse. For I time I was thinking 'this isn't too bad', when we put together that decent run and we were second (or third was it?) in the league. Of course RD never intended us to run in an ordinary was so was plotting his way out.
I wasn't having a go at you, and I agree with your point that new owners could be worse than RD, they could even be the worst owners in football history for all we know. So don't take it all so personally.
Good to see @Henry Irving getting stuck in with the 'like' though.
If you wanted to make the point about people being 'swayed' then you should have made it without quoting what I'd written.
It's quite simple really. And best not to try and muddle the facts when you've been caught out.
Apologies for using the quote button if that made it look like I was referring to you particularly. I didn't intend to imply you were swayed if that's what you mean.
I don't have a beef with you if that's what you're worried about. I don't particularly remember seeing your name before valley11.
Sometimes forums can be a minefield. And I'm sure you're more used to navigating them than I am.
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Or make up something, that turns out to be almost perfectly spot on... like your cousin's partner's cat telling you that Ricky Holmes will be pulled from the Bury squad and that he will sign for on the following Monday...colthe3rd said:
My point still stands though. Undoubtedly there are people who make shit up and it's just baffling.superclive98 said:
The problem is that we don't know for sure who is ITK and who isn't. Experience tells which posters tend to be reliable and the comments from elsewhere should just be taken with a pinch of salt.colthe3rd said:
I just find it odd people make stuff up just to try and make out they are on the inside.superclive98 said:
Hope you're not referring to anyone in particular, as there's enough knicker-twisting going on this thread already.colthe3rd said:Seems weird that a date can be assured of for a sale if there are a number of interested buyers.
Then again I could also make up stuff on the internet that no one could ever prove wrong.
I guess it's a bit like the modern day fortune teller, say some stuff, be as vague as possible and hope that enough people buy into the shit you are spouting.
When in fact it was your cousin's partner.
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lol yes, but who hasn't... I meant I scanned the page in between doing about three other things, rather than reading every post.Addickted said:
Only scanned?JamesSeed said:
Woah, over-reaction time. I wasn't particularly referring to you, I was just commenting on the thread. A thread which I've only scanned.Valley11 said:
What are you on about? I never quantified anything about Roland's reign or said I'd been 'swayed'. I merely pointed out that we cannot say with any certainty that the new lot will be better than RD, in response to someone who'd posted no owner can be as bad as RD. Clearly they could.JamesSeed said:
It's easy to be swayed by the relatively smooth running of the club (i.e. Robinson's freedom from interference, no network nonsense etc) over the last six months or so. But we were a club for sale once the owner had given up running things his way, so those six months weren't representative of what Roland wanted to do with Charlton.Valley11 said:RedChaser said:
Depends how you interpret 'no owner' I'd take that to mean no new owner of us because I wouldn't think for one minute the Oystons or the Orient destroyer would now want to get involved with us or come to that would be allowed to. Anything else is purely hypothetical.Valley11 said:No one said it’s not a gamble worth taking or that RD was that bad. The point was made that no owner could be as bad as RD.
I disagree with that and the O’s and Blackpool owners would suggest I’m right.
Eh? Sorry that doesn’t make sense. The original statement was:
No owner can be as bad as RD.
Taking your interpretation: Do you really think no new owner can be as bad? That history shows only the two you mention -Becchetti and the Oystons - are as bad as RD?
If you do then you’ve chosen to ignore Cellino (Leeds), SISU Capital (Coventry), Chanrai (Portsmouth), the Venkys (Blackburn) I could go on....
Look, the new lot will hopefully be brilliant and we’ll march to the Premier League and Champions League titles within five years.
But for now you can’t say they won’t be as bad as (or, god forbid, worse than) RD. We simply don’t know.
So yes, plenty of owners are worse than the 'ownership' over the last six months. Few are worse than what went before.
Yet posted on 56 times alone this month.0 -
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And that isn't a compliment? [What a difference a ? makes!]Dazzler21 said:
Now he's calling you a nerdJamesSeed said:
You've lost me completely, I don't know what you mean about being caught out. Literally I don't.Valley11 said:
When you quote someone, as you did my post, you are absolutely referring to them. That's not taking it 'all so personally', that's just a fact.JamesSeed said:
Woah, over-reaction time. I wasn't particularly referring to you, I was just commenting on the thread. A thread which I've only scanned.Valley11 said:
What are you on about? I never quantified anything about Roland's reign or said I'd been 'swayed'. I merely pointed out that we cannot say with any certainty that the new lot will be better than RD, in response to someone who'd posted no owner can be as bad as RD. Clearly they could.JamesSeed said:
It's easy to be swayed by the relatively smooth running of the club (i.e. Robinson's freedom from interference, no network nonsense etc) over the last six months or so. But we were a club for sale once the owner had given up running things his way, so those six months weren't representative of what Roland wanted to do with Charlton.Valley11 said:RedChaser said:
Depends how you interpret 'no owner' I'd take that to mean no new owner of us because I wouldn't think for one minute the Oystons or the Orient destroyer would now want to get involved with us or come to that would be allowed to. Anything else is purely hypothetical.Valley11 said:No one said it’s not a gamble worth taking or that RD was that bad. The point was made that no owner could be as bad as RD.
I disagree with that and the O’s and Blackpool owners would suggest I’m right.
Eh? Sorry that doesn’t make sense. The original statement was:
No owner can be as bad as RD.
Taking your interpretation: Do you really think no new owner can be as bad? That history shows only the two you mention -Becchetti and the Oystons - are as bad as RD?
If you do then you’ve chosen to ignore Cellino (Leeds), SISU Capital (Coventry), Chanrai (Portsmouth), the Venkys (Blackburn) I could go on....
Look, the new lot will hopefully be brilliant and we’ll march to the Premier League and Champions League titles within five years.
But for now you can’t say they won’t be as bad as (or, god forbid, worse than) RD. We simply don’t know.
So yes, plenty of owners are worse than the 'ownership' over the last six months. Few are worse than what went before.
All I was saying was that there may be some who think new owners might be worse than RD based partly on the way things have been over the last six months, an atypical period in our recent history when a more normal system was in place i.e. no network/Driesen, not interfence
Obviously when RD's way of running things was in full sway it's hard to imagine anything being worse. For I time I was thinking 'this isn't too bad', when we put together that decent run and we were second (or third was it?) in the league. Of course RD never intended us to run in an ordinary was so was plotting his way out.
I wasn't having a go at you, and I agree with your point that new owners could be worse than RD, they could even be the worst owners in football history for all we know. So don't take it all so personally.
Good to see @Henry Irving getting stuck in with the 'like' though.
If you wanted to make the point about people being 'swayed' then you should have made it without quoting what I'd written.
It's quite simple really. And best not to try and muddle the facts when you've been caught out.
Apologies for using the quote button if that made it look like I was referring to you particularly. I didn't intend to imply you were swayed if that's what you mean.
I don't have a beef with you if that's what you're worried about. I don't particularly remember seeing your name before valley11.
Sometimes forums can be a minefield. And I'm sure you're more used to navigating them than I am.
I agree with the earlier posts that there's a certain amount of over sensitivity on here at the moment.
People should learn to accept an apology for a start.
My posts aren't personal, except when they're directed at Henry of course.
It can get a bit childish.1 -
I only need to read them once as unlike you I don't have to look up the "big" words in a dictionary.Addickted said:I bet @Henry Irving has read every post.
Twice.6 -
Unconfirmed sources report the third bidder is also called Muir.22
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More unconfirmed sources, I am led to believe the the seller is Duchatelet.grumpyaddick said:Unconfirmed sources report the third bidder is also called Muir.
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So childish, you keep posting about it.JamesSeed said:
And that isn't a compliment? [What a difference a ? makes!]Dazzler21 said:
Now he's calling you a nerdJamesSeed said:
You've lost me completely, I don't know what you mean about being caught out. Literally I don't.Valley11 said:
When you quote someone, as you did my post, you are absolutely referring to them. That's not taking it 'all so personally', that's just a fact.JamesSeed said:
Woah, over-reaction time. I wasn't particularly referring to you, I was just commenting on the thread. A thread which I've only scanned.Valley11 said:
What are you on about? I never quantified anything about Roland's reign or said I'd been 'swayed'. I merely pointed out that we cannot say with any certainty that the new lot will be better than RD, in response to someone who'd posted no owner can be as bad as RD. Clearly they could.JamesSeed said:
It's easy to be swayed by the relatively smooth running of the club (i.e. Robinson's freedom from interference, no network nonsense etc) over the last six months or so. But we were a club for sale once the owner had given up running things his way, so those six months weren't representative of what Roland wanted to do with Charlton.Valley11 said:RedChaser said:
Depends how you interpret 'no owner' I'd take that to mean no new owner of us because I wouldn't think for one minute the Oystons or the Orient destroyer would now want to get involved with us or come to that would be allowed to. Anything else is purely hypothetical.Valley11 said:No one said it’s not a gamble worth taking or that RD was that bad. The point was made that no owner could be as bad as RD.
I disagree with that and the O’s and Blackpool owners would suggest I’m right.
Eh? Sorry that doesn’t make sense. The original statement was:
No owner can be as bad as RD.
Taking your interpretation: Do you really think no new owner can be as bad? That history shows only the two you mention -Becchetti and the Oystons - are as bad as RD?
If you do then you’ve chosen to ignore Cellino (Leeds), SISU Capital (Coventry), Chanrai (Portsmouth), the Venkys (Blackburn) I could go on....
Look, the new lot will hopefully be brilliant and we’ll march to the Premier League and Champions League titles within five years.
But for now you can’t say they won’t be as bad as (or, god forbid, worse than) RD. We simply don’t know.
So yes, plenty of owners are worse than the 'ownership' over the last six months. Few are worse than what went before.
All I was saying was that there may be some who think new owners might be worse than RD based partly on the way things have been over the last six months, an atypical period in our recent history when a more normal system was in place i.e. no network/Driesen, not interfence
Obviously when RD's way of running things was in full sway it's hard to imagine anything being worse. For I time I was thinking 'this isn't too bad', when we put together that decent run and we were second (or third was it?) in the league. Of course RD never intended us to run in an ordinary was so was plotting his way out.
I wasn't having a go at you, and I agree with your point that new owners could be worse than RD, they could even be the worst owners in football history for all we know. So don't take it all so personally.
Good to see @Henry Irving getting stuck in with the 'like' though.
If you wanted to make the point about people being 'swayed' then you should have made it without quoting what I'd written.
It's quite simple really. And best not to try and muddle the facts when you've been caught out.
Apologies for using the quote button if that made it look like I was referring to you particularly. I didn't intend to imply you were swayed if that's what you mean.
I don't have a beef with you if that's what you're worried about. I don't particularly remember seeing your name before valley11.
Sometimes forums can be a minefield. And I'm sure you're more used to navigating them than I am.
I agree with the earlier posts that there's a certain amount of over sensitivity on here at the moment.
People should learn to accept an apology for a start.
My posts aren't personal, except when they're directed at Henry of course.
It can get a bit childish.
No one said you were being personal, you're just wrong. And I missed the bit where you apologised, so in this instance it's particularly hard for me to 'learn to' accept one.
How daft that two posters chose to misinterpret what I said in the first place which, for final clairty, was that you can't say with certainty that 'no owner could be as bad as RD'.....
But, no more. Back to the thread and the prospect of a takeover.
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source?HarryLime said:
More unconfirmed sources, I am led to believe the the seller is Duchatelet.grumpyaddick said:Unconfirmed sources report the third bidder is also called Muir.
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Muir money Muir problems
Muir Muir Muir! How do you like it?grumpyaddick said:Unconfirmed sources report the third bidder is also called Muir.
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Dictionary? How twentieth Century.Henry Irving said:
I only need to read them once as unlike you I don't have to look up the "big" words in a dictionary.Addickted said:I bet @Henry Irving has read every post.
Twice.
I bet you've got a full set of Encyclopædia Britannica at home for reference.
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Ennooooouuuugggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh !Valley11 said:
So childish, you keep posting about it.JamesSeed said:
And that isn't a compliment? [What a difference a ? makes!]Dazzler21 said:
Now he's calling you a nerdJamesSeed said:
You've lost me completely, I don't know what you mean about being caught out. Literally I don't.Valley11 said:
When you quote someone, as you did my post, you are absolutely referring to them. That's not taking it 'all so personally', that's just a fact.JamesSeed said:
Woah, over-reaction time. I wasn't particularly referring to you, I was just commenting on the thread. A thread which I've only scanned.Valley11 said:
What are you on about? I never quantified anything about Roland's reign or said I'd been 'swayed'. I merely pointed out that we cannot say with any certainty that the new lot will be better than RD, in response to someone who'd posted no owner can be as bad as RD. Clearly they could.JamesSeed said:
It's easy to be swayed by the relatively smooth running of the club (i.e. Robinson's freedom from interference, no network nonsense etc) over the last six months or so. But we were a club for sale once the owner had given up running things his way, so those six months weren't representative of what Roland wanted to do with Charlton.Valley11 said:RedChaser said:
Depends how you interpret 'no owner' I'd take that to mean no new owner of us because I wouldn't think for one minute the Oystons or the Orient destroyer would now want to get involved with us or come to that would be allowed to. Anything else is purely hypothetical.Valley11 said:No one said it’s not a gamble worth taking or that RD was that bad. The point was made that no owner could be as bad as RD.
I disagree with that and the O’s and Blackpool owners would suggest I’m right.
Eh? Sorry that doesn’t make sense. The original statement was:
No owner can be as bad as RD.
Taking your interpretation: Do you really think no new owner can be as bad? That history shows only the two you mention -Becchetti and the Oystons - are as bad as RD?
If you do then you’ve chosen to ignore Cellino (Leeds), SISU Capital (Coventry), Chanrai (Portsmouth), the Venkys (Blackburn) I could go on....
Look, the new lot will hopefully be brilliant and we’ll march to the Premier League and Champions League titles within five years.
But for now you can’t say they won’t be as bad as (or, god forbid, worse than) RD. We simply don’t know.
So yes, plenty of owners are worse than the 'ownership' over the last six months. Few are worse than what went before.
All I was saying was that there may be some who think new owners might be worse than RD based partly on the way things have been over the last six months, an atypical period in our recent history when a more normal system was in place i.e. no network/Driesen, not interfence
Obviously when RD's way of running things was in full sway it's hard to imagine anything being worse. For I time I was thinking 'this isn't too bad', when we put together that decent run and we were second (or third was it?) in the league. Of course RD never intended us to run in an ordinary was so was plotting his way out.
I wasn't having a go at you, and I agree with your point that new owners could be worse than RD, they could even be the worst owners in football history for all we know. So don't take it all so personally.
Good to see @Henry Irving getting stuck in with the 'like' though.
If you wanted to make the point about people being 'swayed' then you should have made it without quoting what I'd written.
It's quite simple really. And best not to try and muddle the facts when you've been caught out.
Apologies for using the quote button if that made it look like I was referring to you particularly. I didn't intend to imply you were swayed if that's what you mean.
I don't have a beef with you if that's what you're worried about. I don't particularly remember seeing your name before valley11.
Sometimes forums can be a minefield. And I'm sure you're more used to navigating them than I am.
I agree with the earlier posts that there's a certain amount of over sensitivity on here at the moment.
People should learn to accept an apology for a start.
My posts aren't personal, except when they're directed at Henry of course.
It can get a bit childish.
No one said you were being personal, you're just wrong. And I missed the bit where you apologised, so in this instance it's particularly hard for me to 'learn to' accept one.
How daft that two posters chose to misinterpret what I said in the first place which, for final clairty, was that you can't say with certainty that 'no owner could be as bad as RD'.....
But, no more. Back to the thread and the prospect of a takeover.10 -
Apologist. ;-)soapy_jones said:JUST SELL YOU UTTER DISGRACE OF A MAN!!!
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Can now see why waiting until after the transfer window closes makes sense to takeover.
They're under no pressure to hit the ground running and raise expectations of pushing on.
Just make do with what they've got until the summer.
A sensible approach albeit with questionable ambition.0 -
My guess is that Preferred Bidder + DD = End of February
One of the (3 ?) prospective owners hadn't done DD so have 'purchased' preferred bidder status to protect them from missing out while they do DD. They have been allowed a period of time to complete DD which will finish towards the end of next month. That could be completed earlier and/or the bidding war could take more time hence the 'should' in RM's update to staff.1 -
Nope.Valley11 said:
So childish, you keep posting about it.JamesSeed said:
And that isn't a compliment? [What a difference a ? makes!]Dazzler21 said:
Now he's calling you a nerdJamesSeed said:
You've lost me completely, I don't know what you mean about being caught out. Literally I don't.Valley11 said:
When you quote someone, as you did my post, you are absolutely referring to them. That's not taking it 'all so personally', that's just a fact.JamesSeed said:
Woah, over-reaction time. I wasn't particularly referring to you, I was just commenting on the thread. A thread which I've only scanned.Valley11 said:
What are you on about? I never quantified anything about Roland's reign or said I'd been 'swayed'. I merely pointed out that we cannot say with any certainty that the new lot will be better than RD, in response to someone who'd posted no owner can be as bad as RD. Clearly they could.JamesSeed said:
It's easy to be swayed by the relatively smooth running of the club (i.e. Robinson's freedom from interference, no network nonsense etc) over the last six months or so. But we were a club for sale once the owner had given up running things his way, so those six months weren't representative of what Roland wanted to do with Charlton.Valley11 said:RedChaser said:
Depends how you interpret 'no owner' I'd take that to mean no new owner of us because I wouldn't think for one minute the Oystons or the Orient destroyer would now want to get involved with us or come to that would be allowed to. Anything else is purely hypothetical.Valley11 said:No one said it’s not a gamble worth taking or that RD was that bad. The point was made that no owner could be as bad as RD.
I disagree with that and the O’s and Blackpool owners would suggest I’m right.
Eh? Sorry that doesn’t make sense. The original statement was:
No owner can be as bad as RD.
Taking your interpretation: Do you really think no new owner can be as bad? That history shows only the two you mention -Becchetti and the Oystons - are as bad as RD?
If you do then you’ve chosen to ignore Cellino (Leeds), SISU Capital (Coventry), Chanrai (Portsmouth), the Venkys (Blackburn) I could go on....
Look, the new lot will hopefully be brilliant and we’ll march to the Premier League and Champions League titles within five years.
But for now you can’t say they won’t be as bad as (or, god forbid, worse than) RD. We simply don’t know.
So yes, plenty of owners are worse than the 'ownership' over the last six months. Few are worse than what went before.
All I was saying was that there may be some who think new owners might be worse than RD based partly on the way things have been over the last six months, an atypical period in our recent history when a more normal system was in place i.e. no network/Driesen, not interfence
Obviously when RD's way of running things was in full sway it's hard to imagine anything being worse. For I time I was thinking 'this isn't too bad', when we put together that decent run and we were second (or third was it?) in the league. Of course RD never intended us to run in an ordinary was so was plotting his way out.
I wasn't having a go at you, and I agree with your point that new owners could be worse than RD, they could even be the worst owners in football history for all we know. So don't take it all so personally.
Good to see @Henry Irving getting stuck in with the 'like' though.
If you wanted to make the point about people being 'swayed' then you should have made it without quoting what I'd written.
It's quite simple really. And best not to try and muddle the facts when you've been caught out.
Apologies for using the quote button if that made it look like I was referring to you particularly. I didn't intend to imply you were swayed if that's what you mean.
I don't have a beef with you if that's what you're worried about. I don't particularly remember seeing your name before valley11.
Sometimes forums can be a minefield. And I'm sure you're more used to navigating them than I am.
I agree with the earlier posts that there's a certain amount of over sensitivity on here at the moment.
People should learn to accept an apology for a start.
My posts aren't personal, except when they're directed at Henry of course.
It can get a bit childish.
No one said you were being personal, you're just wrong. And I missed the bit where you apologised, so in this instance it's particularly hard for me to 'learn to' accept one.
How daft that two posters chose to misinterpret what I said in the first place which, for final clairty, was that you can't say with certainty that 'no owner could be as bad as RD'.....
But, no more. Back to the thread and the prospect of a takeover.1 -
Henry Irving said:
I only need to read them once as unlike you I don't have to look up the "big" words in a dictionary.Addickted said:I bet @Henry Irving has read every post.
Twice.
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https://giphy.com/gifs/jsTgk136sV71K/html5Henry Irving said:
I only need to read them once as unlike you I don't have to look up the "big" words in a dictionary.Addickted said:I bet @Henry Irving has read every post.
Twice.1 -
There hasn't been much fan engagement since he left.Davo55 said:
It's Jimmy Stone - ex CAFC Fan Engagement and Digital Comms. Very well connected.ShootersHillGuru said:Who are GTKTheNetwork ? Would they know ?
Wouldn’t Richard Cawley be likely to break this ?0 -
That was a no ball.Pelling1993 said:
https://giphy.com/gifs/jsTgk136sV71K/html5Henry Irving said:
I only need to read them once as unlike you I don't have to look up the "big" words in a dictionary.Addickted said:I bet @Henry Irving has read every post.
Twice.
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Just catching up on this thread. Thanks to @WSS for putting "Imminent" in the title. Without him, none of this would be possible.bobmunro said:
Not unreasonable that the employees are told first, some of whom may be jobless as a result of new owners taking over. The fact he has taken the opportunity to do so seems to me to increase the ‘should’ to a higher degree of probability.golfaddick said:
Pleased that the fans are thought about too.WSS said:
Anyway, didn’t Richard confirm much the same in his meeting with the Trust?
A couple good points here from bob. First and foremost, you absolutely tell your employees first if you're expecting an imminent change in ownership. This has the potential to directly affect their lives and livelihoods, so they need to know. And also, it's just the right thing to do. No one should read about changes to their company in a press statement or in the paper.
Second, this fits in with what Murray told the Trust, which gives me a lot of hope. He did say there that he's not personally party to negotiations, but I think it's entirely possible that Roland has given him the heads up that things are close. Though given there can be all kinds of hold ups in M&A deals, I won't be holding my breath that everything will be done in February. But the end seems nigh.
Going back a few pages, @ShootersHillGuru if you listen to podcasts, I highly recommend Getting to Know the Network. It's a really good look both at the last few years under RD, but also at what things were like at the club just before he took over. And I think that latter part is something we often overlook, just how dire the finances were, given that I think it lead to the club being sold to someone with a week's worth of due diligence.
My hope with new owners, by contrast, is that they will have had months of looking at the books and doing DD. Even if they're not people with a history in football or sport, you hope they have the business savvy both to bring in people with footballing knowledge, and to also understand where Charlton Athletic, as a business, needs investment.
It's not just in playing staff (and I would argue another, more experienced coach for Robinson) and facilities. The club itself seems to have lost a lot of people over the past few years and either not replaced them or forced someone else to do that job in addition to their own job, including in leadership roles. I've seen in my own career that not investing in "support" staff (for lack of a better term) and leadership can see a business rot from the inside.
Charlton will not come cheap, both in what RD is asking for, in what it costs to run the club, and in making investments needed to improve on the status quo. The one thing I hope for in new owners is that they understand this. That they understanding that you have to speculate to accumulate in football, and that's it's not as simple as "we buy the club, make a couple signings, and in a couple years we're in the Prem with huge amounts of cash." Very rarely, if ever, do things happen that way.
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Blimey sugar tits, you're like a dog with a bone.RedChaser said:Valley11 said:
No....no I didn't.RedChaser said:
Ah but you made assumptions from what I wrote and drew the wrong conclusions, people in glasshousesValley11 said:
Haha....ok. Just as long as you learn to read then write a response that's relevant to what I said.RedChaser said:
As you asked so nicely of course we can, just try not to be so condescending next time.Valley11 said:
Oh dear.....I'm perfectly calm.RedChaser said:
Calm down, calm down I haven't chosen to ignore anything but neither am I going to base the future on the handful of zealots (I was merely referring back to your examples of the Oystens and Orient) that have ruined football clubs in the past. Especially compared to the hundreds of owners whose intentions have been honourable and I did say anything else is hypothetical ie we don't know. I'll deal with with any negativities from a new ownership as and when but for now I'm not going to let anyone piss on my Moët.Valley11 said:RedChaser said:
Depends how you interpret 'no owner' I'd take that to mean no new owner of us because I wouldn't think for one minute the Oystons or the Orient destroyer would now want to get involved with us or come to that would be allowed to. Anything else is purely hypothetical.Valley11 said:No one said it’s not a gamble worth taking or that RD was that bad. The point was made that no owner could be as bad as RD.
I disagree with that and the O’s and Blackpool owners would suggest I’m right.
Eh? Sorry that doesn’t make sense. The original statement was:
No owner can be as bad as RD.
Taking your interpretation: Do you really think no new owner can be as bad? That history shows only the two you mention -Becchetti and the Oystons - are as bad as RD?
If you do then you’ve chosen to ignore Cellino (Leeds), SISU Capital (Coventry), Chanrai (Portsmouth), the Venkys (Blackburn) I could go on....
Look, the new lot will hopefully be brilliant and we’ll march to the Premier League and Champions League titles within five years.
But for now you can’t say they won’t be as bad as (or, god forbid, worse than) RD. We simply don’t know.
But one more time, just for the record and to get this back on point - my comments were about a post that stated 'no owner can be as bad as RD'. Historically owners have been and there's no guarantee the new lot will be better. That does not mean I think Roland has been good, decent, average. He's been disastrous.
I'm not a Roland apologist. I despise the man for everything he's done to our club.
Can we give this a rest now?
Check back sugar tits.
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JamesSeed as well actually.1
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Perhaps RM has just got a letter from Staprix giving him a month's notice.0
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ElfsborgAddick said:
Blimey sugar tits, you're like a dog with a bone.RedChaser said:Valley11 said:
No....no I didn't.RedChaser said:
Ah but you made assumptions from what I wrote and drew the wrong conclusions, people in glasshousesValley11 said:
Haha....ok. Just as long as you learn to read then write a response that's relevant to what I said.RedChaser said:
As you asked so nicely of course we can, just try not to be so condescending next time.Valley11 said:
Oh dear.....I'm perfectly calm.RedChaser said:
Calm down, calm down I haven't chosen to ignore anything but neither am I going to base the future on the handful of zealots (I was merely referring back to your examples of the Oystens and Orient) that have ruined football clubs in the past. Especially compared to the hundreds of owners whose intentions have been honourable and I did say anything else is hypothetical ie we don't know. I'll deal with with any negativities from a new ownership as and when but for now I'm not going to let anyone piss on my Moët.Valley11 said:RedChaser said:
Depends how you interpret 'no owner' I'd take that to mean no new owner of us because I wouldn't think for one minute the Oystons or the Orient destroyer would now want to get involved with us or come to that would be allowed to. Anything else is purely hypothetical.Valley11 said:No one said it’s not a gamble worth taking or that RD was that bad. The point was made that no owner could be as bad as RD.
I disagree with that and the O’s and Blackpool owners would suggest I’m right.
Eh? Sorry that doesn’t make sense. The original statement was:
No owner can be as bad as RD.
Taking your interpretation: Do you really think no new owner can be as bad? That history shows only the two you mention -Becchetti and the Oystons - are as bad as RD?
If you do then you’ve chosen to ignore Cellino (Leeds), SISU Capital (Coventry), Chanrai (Portsmouth), the Venkys (Blackburn) I could go on....
Look, the new lot will hopefully be brilliant and we’ll march to the Premier League and Champions League titles within five years.
But for now you can’t say they won’t be as bad as (or, god forbid, worse than) RD. We simply don’t know.
But one more time, just for the record and to get this back on point - my comments were about a post that stated 'no owner can be as bad as RD'. Historically owners have been and there's no guarantee the new lot will be better. That does not mean I think Roland has been good, decent, average. He's been disastrous.
I'm not a Roland apologist. I despise the man for everything he's done to our club.
Can we give this a rest now?
Check back sugar tits.
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