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Karl Robinson (Ed. Page 79 - GONE- Mutual Consent)

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  • 7th is crap. Robinson's aim at the begging of the season was promotion. Then it was the play-offs and now its 6th. Would you be happy with finishing 6th? I wouldn't. All the 'big games' since Robinson has been in charge we have lost. I have zero faith that we would win 3 play-off games under him. Yes he has had no money, but not many teams in League One do. Look at our team on paper compared to most teams we have played. We should be in a lot better position than we are.

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  • 100% Agree,

    Believe they took him on because of his ability to sell and talk the talk..
    Look at his interviews at MK, we even done the before game video of the team and set up Lolol
  • They saw him as a face, a talker, a man that could bring togetherness
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  • He's the Derek Acorath of Football ....
  • I'd say these 9 clubs' managers

    Southend United
    Blackburn Rovers
    Plymouth Argyle
    Portsmouth
    Gillingham
    Rotherham United
    Shrewsbury Town
    Wigan Athletic
    Scunthorpe United
    Sorted

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  • Yes, my point exactly.

    He said what the regime wanted him to say and was happy to do it. He even said his job was to do the talking that Meire wouldn't.

    That's why they hired him despite being relegated behind Karel Fraeye's disaster team.

    He was happy to say how great things were when they were in charge, what great backing he had, what a great budget they'd given him.

    Now they are selling he's praising the fans, Murray, his coaches and telling everyone how tough he's had it.

    He has one job, win games, and he hasn't done that often enough.

    Other managers?

    Paul Cook
    Paul Hurst
    Nathan Jones
    Jason Euell
    Kenny Jacket

    Would they have taken the job under Roland? Most likely not but what does that say about Robinson?
    Mr Seed.

    Read this post and concede defeat with your support of Robinson.
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    I’m admittedly very naive but don’t get the hate towards KR

    His tactics are limited but bloody hell what do people expect to manage Charlton Athletic

    From my perspective it’s always been about the end of the season result, if we are out of the top 6 he goes and if we get in there who knows

    I honestly don’t think there is much better out there than our favourite scouser get on with it

    Tbh thats not very good for a manager is it?

    You would expect a manager to have the skilset to change tactics - before or during a game.... That’s what the training ground is for. It’s basic stuff for a manager you would think.

    Shrewsbury was a game that summed him up for me. They were better than us in every department. Personally I think we have better players quality wise than them, but that means nothing if they can’t perform as a team...Shrewsbury did that.

    Afterwards Robinson, (and I can’t remember the exact words) said something along the lines of “we knew what they were going to do and how they would play” - my question is what was he doing on the training ground all week if he knew? Why didn’t he try and combat what Shrewsbury had to offer? Because he couldn’t - he didn’t have the tactical nous to do it.



  • I've seen a couple of posts stating Robinson is inexperienced. He has managed in 417 games. That is not inexperienced.
    He is doing what a lot of managers do. He had success with a formation and he is sticking with it. He tries to sign players he knows.
    I could argue that the formation is wrong for this division and the players he has available but that would just be my opinion.
  • Robinson was prepared to be a puppet for the Belgians.

    He's now p***** off with it and now trying to get sympathy. He cannot have it both ways.

    another good point, end of the day its everyone opinions, but questioning Robinsons credentials doesn't make you anti-charlton, i wont support the manager if hes shite and not correct for the job.
  • 7th is crap. Robinson's aim at the begging of the season was promotion. Then it was the play-offs and now its 6th. Would you be happy with finishing 6th? I wouldn't. All the 'big games' since Robinson has been in charge we have lost. I have zero faith that we would win 3 play-off games under him. Yes he has had no money, but not many teams in League One do. Look at our team on paper compared to most teams we have played. We should be in a lot better position than we are.

    will be finishing mid table next, with players out injured because we've come so far and there's a real buzz about the ground i can see it, the players feel it.
  • edited March 2018
    I have said this before, but whilst most of us couldn't manage a football club, we actually have more experience of watching football games than many managers. Now some people watch, but others get enjoyment doing some analysis during the game - speculating on tactical changes managers might make etc... It can make us quite informed amateurs.

    I say this because it is clear to me from watching so many games in my life that some managers manage with fear. And I am very qualified to make that observation, as are many others. For instance, I know that when something isn't working it generally stays like that -it doesn't fix itself. So why do some managers, and Powell was guilty of this too, wait for something bad to happen in the hope that it won't when it is clear it isn't working. Robinson is incredibly weak in this area. Now if you change something/try something different it might not work, but it ought to be common sense to try.

    Shrewsbury was a good example - we were lucky not to be losing at half time. I said to my brother during the interval, they are on top of us but Robinson won't make a change until they go one up. Sure enough, as soon as they scored, Fosu came on. Now why wait for the inevitable? Even if your changes do not work, you have tried them - you have nothing to lose. And this is where I think the fear comes in, a manager may think, well we are holding on, I don't want to risk things by making a change - this is even more common if they have a lead - but of course the biggest risk is to ignore what you are seeing and not try to act on it. I can tell all of these fearful managers that I have seen enough games to say that this fear loses you more points than it gets you!

    It absolutely makes no difference if your changes work or not - they might very well not, but you can't know - what you do know, or at least you should know, is what you are doing now isn't working! Robinson has his qualities, but is in good company in this respect, but I don't see how managers can't identify this weakness and do something about it!
  • I have said this before, but whilst most of us couldn't manage a football club, we actually have more experience of watching football games than many managers. Now some people watch, but others get enjoyment doing some analysis during the game - speculating on tactical changes managers might make etc... It can make us quite informed amateurs.

    I say this because it is clear to me from watching so many games in my life that some managers manage with fear. And I am very qualified to make that observation, as are many others. For instance, I know that when something isn't working it generally stays like that -it doesn't fix itself. So why do some managers, and Powell was guilty of this too, wait for something bad to happen in the hope that it won't when it is clear it isn't working. Robinson is incredibly weak in this area. Now if you change something/try something different it might not work, but it ought to be common sense to try.

    Shrewsbury was a good example - we were lucky not to be losing at half time. I said to my brother during the interval, they are on top of us but Robinson won't make a change until they go one up. Sure enough, as soon as they scored, Fosu came on. Now why wait for the inevitable? Even if your changes do not work, you have tried them - you have nothing to lose. And this is where I think the fear comes in, a manager may think, well we are holding on, I don't want to risk things by making a change - this is even more common if they have a lead - but of course the biggest risk is to ignore what you are seeing and not try to act on it. I can tell all of these fearful managers that I have seen enough games to say that this fear loses you more points than it gets you!

    It absolutely makes no difference if your changes work or not - they might very well not, but you can't know - what you do know, or at least you should know, is what you are doing now isn't working! Robinson has his qualities, but is in good company in this respect, but I don't see how managers can't identify this weakness and do something about it!

    I'm sure most of us have no real idea of what it takes to manage a league one club particularly with our ownership.

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  • I'm not saying we do - I am saying we know that when something isn't working it generally stays not working.
  • It's interesting comparing this season with last. We're getting more points per game, despite scoring no more goals per game and conceding MORE goals per game (last season our goals were inefficiently spread around, we stuffed Bristol Rovers twice for example) but I had expected things to be better

    Either way, it's not massive progress.

    Last season in 46 games we got 60 points (1.3 points per game) scoring 60 goals (1.3 per game) and conceding 53 (1.15 pg)

    This season in 33 games we have 51 points (1.55 points per game) scoring 43 goals (1.3 per game) and conceding 41 (1.24 pg)
  • seth plum said:

    I feel more charitable towards Robinson than most.
    I think he was naive to believe the guff he was fed, but in the early days carried a kind of innocent hope. I certainly think he believed he would get more backing regarding players than he got, and I don't believe he intended to disappoint (unlike the questionable motives of mr 'patient').
    I do think that Karl is not experienced enough or rounded enough to meet all the footballing challenges, and he needs to concentrate on that rather than think he has to heal all areas of the club. From the beginning (and always and for all time) it should have been about the results and judging him by results it has been decidedly indifferent, judging him on the wider areas of his role he has not been the wicked witch of the west, but rather as I said, naive.
    I have even been pleasantly diverted by the fact we have even had a manager for more than five minutes and it has been possible to contemplate his football philosophy for a while. There was never time to really assess the managers that preceded him under this regime. At least even if you disagree with him, Robinson is a football person that one can reflect about rather than something that whizzes past the corner of your eye.

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  • What exaggerations exactly?
    Well, you make it sound like he was endlessly extolling RD & KMs' virtues, when it was just one or two comments at pressers. Did he say we had a 'great budget'? If he did, did he say it hoping to lever one out of RD perhaps? We know he didn't have a great budget. Maybe he was promised one, which seems bloody likely to me.

    I'm not his biggest fan, but I don't get the blaming KR for all the clubs ills when the blame should be focused on RD.
    But sure there are better managers out there, but would they join us under RD? No. It remains to be seen whether they'll join us under new owners.
  • Do people genuinely believe that players are joining us cos we are the mighty Charlton
    The likes of Reeves Fosu and co will have signed for us because we can offer the best wages , you can bet your bottom dollar our wage bill is top 6 easily

    Fosu was an unknown quantity last season... Don't think he had many/any other offers.

    Reeves thought he could do better but no one was willing to meet his salary demands... Not even us. He settled for our contract when he realised it.
  • Come on Henners and Jimmy you broadly agree with each other, you don't want me putting this up on the argument thread do you.
  • HarryLime said:

    Come on Henners and Jimmy you broadly agree with each other, you don't want me putting this up on the argument thread do you.

    If you don't, Bertie will
  • HarryLime said:

    Come on Henners and Jimmy you broadly agree with each other, you don't want me putting this up on the argument thread do you.

    I haven't read the grass thread for years.

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    I haven't read the grass thread for years.

    That must takes some self control. We all like reading about ourselves don't we ;-)
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