Jonjo Shelvey

Addickted said:

Bedsaddick said:

I wouldn’t have him anywhere near the England World Cup squad . He’s liable to do something really stupid at a crucial time . Having said that he’s a better player than Henderson and he still keeps getting in the team.

So you wouldn't have taken Rooney in 2006?

Or Beckham in '98?

Or Wilkins in '86?

Shelvey will go alright. There's been a lot of canvassing for him in the press in the past two months - and rightly so.

Yes because Shelvey is as important to England as Rooney , Wilkins and Beckham were!

Precisely. Any England player can be sent off at the whim of the referee.

Indeed, there are a few I can think of that should have been for all the good they were doing on the pitch.

Shelvey has only had four yellow cards all season. He seems to have consciously eliminated that side of his game. He's a massive upgrade on sideways Henderson.

Better passer than Alli or Lallana? Do me a favour.

He's a boom/bust player. 75% of the time he's an average footballer but people only look at the highlight reels.

Oxlade Chamberlain is the player you want in the midfield rather than Shelvey. Much better player and proven at a higher level.

ForeverAddickted said:

SurvivaloftheFittest said:

The Red Robin said:

Shelvey has only had four yellow cards all season. He seems to have consciously eliminated that side of his game. He's a massive upgrade on sideways Henderson.

He’s has two red cards this season.

He’s also only had 2 assists and 1 goal in 27 appearances this season.

Not wanting to make him out as a terrible player because he’s a good PL midfielder but I can’t work out where the Shelvey love-in has suddenly come from in the media.

Has bang average Strikers in front of him...

How many key passes has he made that have been wasted, I'd be more interested in that stat

Bedsaddick said:

I wouldn’t have him anywhere near the England World Cup squad . He’s liable to do something really stupid at a crucial time . Having said that he’s a better player than Henderson and he still keeps getting in the team.

Agree.

No highlight reel analysis from me. I would select Shelvey every time. His ball and player awareness are without parallel in the English set up. He knows almost exactly where he is going to put the ball as it leaves the foot/ head of the player passing to him or picking up a stray ball. It is instinctive. It is immediate.

Such play gives the receiving player more time, more space, more momentum. Invariably at Newcastle someone will cock it up. At an international level such time must make a difference.

The number of simple instant one touch lay offs and passes over 5, 10, 15 yards are without parallel, nearly all perfectly in stride, at the right height and pace.

He is the chess player with the ball because beyond the above he has the vision to see how to stretch the game and then the ability to deliver the 20, 30, 40 yard bombshell.

Just look at the targets he has had to work with at Newcastle. No disrespect to Gayle, Perez etc., but with targets like Kane, Ali, Vardy, Rashford, Lingard he can offer so much more than offerred elsewhere.

He will take risks, he will make mistakes but he will win you games. We need to approach these tournamounts without fear.

Is he a risk in terms of his defensive loss of concentration and his temperament? Without a doubt but if he has modified his approach then you can mitigate the other.

He has to be in the next squad. It has to be about options, options, options. It has to be about creating different challenges for the opposition. Far too often even the most mundane sides are able challenge us because we are one dimensional.

I am not going to disrespect any player but in international terms several can be seen as no more than talented water carriers.

We have too many "butterfly" players, they add value but play in front of and do not hurt the opposition.

Shelvey can offer more.

Shelvey is a considerably bigger talent than anything else England have in his position but he is also a potentially much bigger liability. Such a shame.

I've no idea what Jake Livermore has done to be even called up in the first place

No youth appearances for England (and being at Spurs you stand a better chance of being called up) and then played for 2 mediocre Premier League clubs without doing anything outstanding

I don't think he will make the squad but I think he should. The best English passer by some distance. Also, he's capable of passing more than 10 yards, right onto a striker's toe.

I don't think he'll make it though because England play a short passing game and he doesn't fit that style. Also, his temperament is questionable, especially after stamping on Dele Alli. Shame because Shelvey would find Vardy several times a game. Southgate doesn't seem to want that direct an option.

Grapevine49 said:

No highlight reel analysis from me. I would select Shelvey every time. His ball and player awareness are without parallel in the English set up. He knows almost exactly where he is going to put the ball as it leaves the foot/ head of the player passing to him or picking up a stray ball. It is instinctive. It is immediate.

Such play gives the receiving player more time, more space, more momentum. Invariably at Newcastle someone will cock it up. At an international level such time must make a difference.

The number of simple instant one touch lay offs and passes over 5, 10, 15 yards are without parallel, nearly all perfectly in stride, at the right height and pace.

He is the chess player with the ball because beyond the above he has the vision to see how to stretch the game and then the ability to deliver the 20, 30, 40 yard bombshell.

Just look at the targets he has had to work with at Newcastle. No disrespect to Gayle, Perez etc., but with targets like Kane, Ali, Vardy, Rashford, Lingard he can offer so much more than offerred elsewhere.

He will take risks, he will make mistakes but he will win you games. We need to approach these tournamounts without fear.

Is he a risk in terms of his defensive loss of concentration and his temperament? Without a doubt but if he has modified his approach then you can mitigate the other.

He has to be in the next squad. It has to be about options, options, options. It has to be about creating different challenges for the opposition. Far too often even the most mundane sides are able challenge us because we are one dimensional.

I am not going to disrespect any player but in international terms several can be seen as no more than talented water carriers.

We have too many "butterfly" players, they add value but play in front of and do not hurt the opposition.

Shelvey can offer more.

Grapevine the great has spoken. His decision is final.



Seriously though I agree completely agree