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  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,027
    aliwibble said:

    Mark Carney, the Governor of the Bank of England. Why should we care what he's got to say? He's only and expert. This is Brexitland, we can ignore all the experts we like.
  • aliwibble
    aliwibble Posts: 26,299
    Given it's in Private Eye, and Carney's a Canadian so probably doesn't instantly reach for Jeremy Kyle and Pot Noodle as cultural references, I suspect that's probably a humorous invention @Stig. Especially given if he had actually said it we'd all be deafened by the sound of the Brexiteers calling for his head.
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,150
    hu
  • Jensenwasclass
    Jensenwasclass Posts: 835
    ''If you live in Lewisham East you can vote for Howling Laud Hope in a fortnight.''

    If you live in Lewisham East I feel sorry for you, was a decent area many many years ago,
    not now!
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,150
    Jensenwasclass said:

    ''If you live in Lewisham East you can vote for Howling Laud Hope in a fortnight.''

    If you live in Lewisham East I feel sorry for you, was a decent area many many years ago,
    not now!

    But if you voted remain in that ward you are the dogs bollocks arnt you.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    edited June 2018
    Jensenwasclass said:

    ''If you live in Lewisham East you can vote for Howling Laud Hope in a fortnight.''

    If you live in Lewisham East I feel sorry for you, was a decent area many many years ago,
    not now!

    It is actually the centre of the universe and the wellspring of all good things!

    Mrs Plum and I have just returned from a stroll in Manor House Gardens, all the streets clean and quiet, greenery in abundance, Canada Geese and various ducks in the park, parents and grandparents out with kids for their evening walk, the WW2 jeep and motorbike and sidecar parked in the usual place, even ducks swimming along a very clean Quaggy, lots of local people doing their houses up around and about, and nice nodding greetings from the diverse community around.
    Hither Green and Lee station nearby if you want to get away and the greatest city on earth all around with jobs and culture at hand.
    The Valley a 15 minute drive, 40 minute public transport or a 70 minute walk away.
    What's not to like?
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,809
    But but but Blue Passports!

  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,809
    And as Sam Coates from the Times has said, everyone in the Civil service is covering their arses for the Chilcot style public enquiry that is going to come on this massive massive clusterfuck
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,256
    Chippycafc said:

    hu

    Eu
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,341
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  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,150
    Rothko said:

    But but but Blue Passports!

    Who is he.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,341
    Chippycafc said:

    Rothko said:

    But but but Blue Passports!

    Who is he.
    He's a journalist. He works for one of the world's biggest news organisations. He's the Europe Editor. And he's based in London.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,043
    edited June 2018
    Chizz said:

    Chippycafc said:

    Rothko said:

    But but but Blue Passports!

    Who is he.
    He's a journalist. He works for one of the world's biggest news organisations. He's the Europe Editor. And he's based in London.
    And he's reporting on a potential scenario revealed by the Sunday Times - a pro-Brexit newspaper. Could it be that the Brexiteers in some quarters are actually starting to wake up to the utter disaster that we are heading towards?
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,150
    Another expert then.
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,150
    Everybody knew that though....what would you do without Mr Google...
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,341
    Chippycafc said:

    Another expert then.

    No. A journalist. Reporting on an article in The Times. Which was about a report drawn up about the effects of Brexit, by experts, ie the civil service.

    Have you so thoroughly bought in to the mantra that "experts" is something to be feared or ignored?

    There's a fine line between being scared by experts and being concerned by some of what they disseminate. I'm worried for you and your ilk, Chippy, if you genuinely are afraid of experts. Because, frankly, where would you go once you realise you need help?
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,150
    Chizz said:

    Chippycafc said:

    Another expert then.

    No. A journalist. Reporting on an article in The Times. Which was about a report drawn up about the effects of Brexit, by experts, ie the civil service.

    Have you so thoroughly bought in to the mantra that "experts" is something to be feared or ignored?

    There's a fine line between being scared by experts and being concerned by some of what they disseminate. I'm worried for you and your ilk, Chippy, if you genuinely are afraid of experts. Because, frankly, where would you go once you realise you need help?
    Don't need any help thank you very much......I am doing nicely thanks for your concern......I am not scared its the constant posting of people no-ones heard of, in a desperate act to scaremonger as usual...as said on the Marr show this morning....does everyone recall the millennium bug that was going to destroy us...
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,341
    Chippycafc said:

    Chizz said:

    Chippycafc said:

    Another expert then.

    No. A journalist. Reporting on an article in The Times. Which was about a report drawn up about the effects of Brexit, by experts, ie the civil service.

    Have you so thoroughly bought in to the mantra that "experts" is something to be feared or ignored?

    There's a fine line between being scared by experts and being concerned by some of what they disseminate. I'm worried for you and your ilk, Chippy, if you genuinely are afraid of experts. Because, frankly, where would you go once you realise you need help?
    Don't need any help thank you very much......I am doing nicely thanks for your concern......I am not scared its the constant posting of people no-ones heard of, in a desperate act to scaremonger as usual...as said on the Marr show this morning....does everyone recall the millennium bug that was going to destroy us...
    Yes. Many people remember the millennium bug. The vast majority of people understood what it meant and what its impact could be. Industry spent years planning for it to be successfully negotiated. And we were one nation among the entire globe ensuring that the millennium bug had little effect and was fully mitigated. No-one voted for the millennium bug. So, not really a great analogy.

    Chippy, why do you assume that if you haven't heard of someone, everyone else is equally ignorant? Should we only pay attention to warnings of impending problems if they're made by people with whom you are familiar?

    And, if so, how far should we take that? If a mechanic finds a problem with a car, should we ignore it if you haven't heard of him? If a doctor diagnoses a terminal illness, should we seek a "better" opinion from someone on your list?
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Those who voted brexit are so entrenched that even slaughter of the first born won't change anything for them. Any price is worth paying as they jut out their collective jaws and say 'bring it on'.
    What is fascinating is them saying continually they knew what they were voting for and they are across all the practical issues. Anybody who brings up actual details are still, even now, accused of operation fear, yet solutions are the problem of some vague other force. brexiters ought not to be expected to say 'how', asking such a question is shouted down as unpatriotic and talking the country down.
    Any sensible leader can look at the 17 million plus people who voted brexit, assess that their collective IQ is about 20, offer blue passports and tell them brexit has happened (leaving everything else the same).
    In the surprise event of a brexit voter with an IQ of 21 objecting, simply ask them for their ideas and they will crumble away.
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,150
    Chizz said:

    Chippycafc said:

    Chizz said:

    Chippycafc said:

    Another expert then.

    No. A journalist. Reporting on an article in The Times. Which was about a report drawn up about the effects of Brexit, by experts, ie the civil service.

    Have you so thoroughly bought in to the mantra that "experts" is something to be feared or ignored?

    There's a fine line between being scared by experts and being concerned by some of what they disseminate. I'm worried for you and your ilk, Chippy, if you genuinely are afraid of experts. Because, frankly, where would you go once you realise you need help?
    Don't need any help thank you very much......I am doing nicely thanks for your concern......I am not scared its the constant posting of people no-ones heard of, in a desperate act to scaremonger as usual...as said on the Marr show this morning....does everyone recall the millennium bug that was going to destroy us...
    Yes. Many people remember the millennium bug. The vast majority of people understood what it meant and what its impact could be. Industry spent years planning for it to be successfully negotiated. And we were one nation among the entire globe ensuring that the millennium bug had little effect and was fully mitigated. No-one voted for the millennium bug. So, not really a great analogy.

    Chippy, why do you assume that if you haven't heard of someone, everyone else is equally ignorant? Should we only pay attention to warnings of impending problems if they're made by people with whom you are familiar?

    And, if so, how far should we take that? If a mechanic finds a problem with a car, should we ignore it if you haven't heard of him? If a doctor diagnoses a terminal illness, should we seek a "better" opinion from someone on your list?
    No-one had heard of him and neither had you.
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  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,150
    seth plum said:

    Those who voted brexit are so entrenched that even slaughter of the first born won't change anything for them. Any price is worth paying as they jut out their collective jaws and say 'bring it on'.
    What is fascinating is them saying continually they knew what they were voting for and they are across all the practical issues. Anybody who brings up actual details are still, even now, accused of operation fear, yet solutions are the problem of some vague other force. brexiters ought not to be expected to say 'how', asking such a question is shouted down as unpatriotic and talking the country down.
    Any sensible leader can look at the 17 million plus people who voted brexit, assess that their collective IQ is about 20, offer blue passports and tell them brexit has happened (leaving everything else the same).
    In the surprise event of a brexit voter with an IQ of 21 objecting, simply ask them for their ideas and they will crumble away.

    ZZZZzzzzzzzz
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,013
    edited June 2018
    seth plum said:

    Those who voted brexit are so entrenched that even slaughter of the first born won't change anything for them. Any price is worth paying as they jut out their collective jaws and say 'bring it on'.
    What is fascinating is them saying continually they knew what they were voting for and they are across all the practical issues. Anybody who brings up actual details are still, even now, accused of operation fear, yet solutions are the problem of some vague other force. brexiters ought not to be expected to say 'how', asking such a question is shouted down as unpatriotic and talking the country down.
    Any sensible leader can look at the 17 million plus people who voted brexit, assess that their collective IQ is about 20, offer blue passports and tell them brexit has happened (leaving everything else the same).
    In the surprise event of a brexit voter with an IQ of 21 objecting, simply ask them for their ideas and they will crumble away.

    Yep, the majority of the public definitely voted for the mass murder of babies.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    edited June 2018
    Covered End said:

    seth plum said:

    Those who voted brexit are so entrenched that even slaughter of the first born won't change anything for them. Any price is worth paying as they jut out their collective jaws and say 'bring it on'.
    What is fascinating is them saying continually they knew what they were voting for and they are across all the practical issues. Anybody who brings up actual details are still, even now, accused of operation fear, yet solutions are the problem of some vague other force. brexiters ought not to be expected to say 'how', asking such a question is shouted down as unpatriotic and talking the country down.
    Any sensible leader can look at the 17 million plus people who voted brexit, assess that their collective IQ is about 20, offer blue passports and tell them brexit has happened (leaving everything else the same).
    In the surprise event of a brexit voter with an IQ of 21 objecting, simply ask them for their ideas and they will crumble away.

    Yep, the majority of the public definitely voted for the mass murder of babies.
    If you can't follow my analogy, that included the word 'even' that is your problem
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,013
    seth plum said:

    Covered End said:

    seth plum said:

    Those who voted brexit are so entrenched that even slaughter of the first born won't change anything for them. Any price is worth paying as they jut out their collective jaws and say 'bring it on'.
    What is fascinating is them saying continually they knew what they were voting for and they are across all the practical issues. Anybody who brings up actual details are still, even now, accused of operation fear, yet solutions are the problem of some vague other force. brexiters ought not to be expected to say 'how', asking such a question is shouted down as unpatriotic and talking the country down.
    Any sensible leader can look at the 17 million plus people who voted brexit, assess that their collective IQ is about 20, offer blue passports and tell them brexit has happened (leaving everything else the same).
    In the surprise event of a brexit voter with an IQ of 21 objecting, simply ask them for their ideas and they will crumble away.

    Yep, the majority of the public definitely voted for the mass murder of babies.
    If you can't follow my analogy, that included the w,ord 'even"that is your problem
    Stop being silly.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Start suggesting solutions
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,013
    seth plum said:

    Start suggesting solutions

    It's up to the government not me. There are plenty of solutions, but the government are too busy infighting.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    edited June 2018
    Covered End said:

    seth plum said:

    Start suggesting solutions

    It's up to the government not me. There are plenty of solutions, but the government are too busy infighting.
    If there are plenty of solutions do you know about any of them? Ones that would actually be a practical solution to the Irish border issue for example, or solve the massive hold ups at Dover as the UK inspects the incoming goods and allows commerce at the same speed as now?

    If there are plenty of solutions how come we haven't heard of any?
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,341
    Chippycafc said:

    Chizz said:

    Chippycafc said:

    Chizz said:

    Chippycafc said:

    Another expert then.

    No. A journalist. Reporting on an article in The Times. Which was about a report drawn up about the effects of Brexit, by experts, ie the civil service.

    Have you so thoroughly bought in to the mantra that "experts" is something to be feared or ignored?

    There's a fine line between being scared by experts and being concerned by some of what they disseminate. I'm worried for you and your ilk, Chippy, if you genuinely are afraid of experts. Because, frankly, where would you go once you realise you need help?
    Don't need any help thank you very much......I am doing nicely thanks for your concern......I am not scared its the constant posting of people no-ones heard of, in a desperate act to scaremonger as usual...as said on the Marr show this morning....does everyone recall the millennium bug that was going to destroy us...
    Yes. Many people remember the millennium bug. The vast majority of people understood what it meant and what its impact could be. Industry spent years planning for it to be successfully negotiated. And we were one nation among the entire globe ensuring that the millennium bug had little effect and was fully mitigated. No-one voted for the millennium bug. So, not really a great analogy.

    Chippy, why do you assume that if you haven't heard of someone, everyone else is equally ignorant? Should we only pay attention to warnings of impending problems if they're made by people with whom you are familiar?

    And, if so, how far should we take that? If a mechanic finds a problem with a car, should we ignore it if you haven't heard of him? If a doctor diagnoses a terminal illness, should we seek a "better" opinion from someone on your list?
    No-one had heard of him and neither had you.
    Thank you, yet again, Chippy, for making my point for me, so eloquently.
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,809
    Ah the Leaver bollocks about the Millennium bug, something with the help of experts, proper planning, and good delivery, was dealt with and the problem resolved.

    Everything that Brexit isn’t
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,625
    Chippycafc said:

    Chizz said:

    Chippycafc said:

    Another expert then.

    No. A journalist. Reporting on an article in The Times. Which was about a report drawn up about the effects of Brexit, by experts, ie the civil service.

    Have you so thoroughly bought in to the mantra that "experts" is something to be feared or ignored?

    There's a fine line between being scared by experts and being concerned by some of what they disseminate. I'm worried for you and your ilk, Chippy, if you genuinely are afraid of experts. Because, frankly, where would you go once you realise you need help?
    Don't need any help thank you very much......I am doing nicely thanks for your concern......I am not scared its the constant posting of people no-ones heard of, in a desperate act to scaremonger as usual...as said on the Marr show this morning....does everyone recall the millennium bug that was going to destroy us...
    You don’t need any help ? You’ll soon go running to seek the advice of “experts” should you (god forbid) find yourself in ill health won’t you.

    People spend years studying and working in a particular field and earn the right to be considered “an expert” be that in medicine or mechanical engineering. There’s no such thing as 100% certainty in any field of expertise but you risk much when you think you know better than those that have years of experience.

    You and your ilk are arrogant and stupid to the maximum degree. Answer me this. You I know are considered “an expert” in your field of heating and ventilation ( apologies if that not quite correct). Would you poor scorn onto someone with little or no experience in your area of expertise if they told you you were talking bollocks ?

    I think I already know the answer and so do you.

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