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  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,635
    Great watching the debate in the House this afternoon......I seem to agree with everyone....even Anna Soubry ! Dominic Grieve should be given a medal....and I speak as a leave voter
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    I am watching too. Pretty compelling. I think the vote comes soon.
    Ken Clarke was great.
    Bill Cash and others tried to give it in broad brush strokes as in 'the people have spoken' but it seems unarguable that the HOC should be only a passive spectator in this historic process.
    The debate seems to be a clear win for Greive, but the Solicitor General is desperately trying to save the day by offering last minute private discussions.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    They are voting now. Result in about 15 minutes I suppose.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Result expected at 4.30
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,045
    Sounds like the Gov't have bought off Tory rebels with a last minute concession on the Grieve amendment - but nobody has said what it is yet!
  • Red_in_SE8
    Red_in_SE8 Posts: 5,961
    Kate Hoey makes my skin crawl. Absolute odious despicable inarticulate bitch. How has she survived as a Labour MP for so long? Her constituency voted 77.6% to remain! Frank Field is not much better!
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,045
    Red_in_SE8 said:

    Kate Hoey makes my skin crawl. Absolute odious despicable inarticulate bitch. How has she survived as a Labour MP for so long? Her constituency voted 77.6% to remain! Frank Field is not much better!

    She's absolutely dreadful
  • NornIrishAddick
    NornIrishAddick Posts: 9,623
    Red_in_SE8 said:

    Kate Hoey makes my skin crawl. Absolute odious despicable inarticulate bitch. How has she survived as a Labour MP for so long? Her constituency voted 77.6% to remain! Frank Field is not much better!

    I do think that you need to get off that fence.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,045
    se9addick said:

    Sounds like the Gov't have bought off Tory rebels with a last minute concession on the Grieve amendment - but nobody has said what it is yet!

    Sound like a fairly large concession from the Governmemt.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,730
    edited June 2018
    A massive one because of the message it sends to the Hard Brexiters as much as anything. Watch this space!
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  • randy andy
    randy andy Posts: 5,455
    It took a fight, but we've not got the parliamentary sovereignty that the hard brexiters fought so hard to deny after claiming that's what they wanted throughout the referendum campaigning.

    Now hopefully parliament will do it's job if the negotiated deal (or lack thereof) isn't good enough for the British people, rather than BoJo and Rees-Mogg forcing through a Brexit at any cost.
  • NornIrishAddick
    NornIrishAddick Posts: 9,623
    edited June 2018
    se9addick said:

    se9addick said:

    Sounds like the Gov't have bought off Tory rebels with a last minute concession on the Grieve amendment - but nobody has said what it is yet!

    Sound like a fairly large concession from the Governmemt.
    It may just be because I'm a cynic, but a lot depends on how HMG interpret "no deal".

    Not that I would, for one minute, suggest that David Davis might seek to renege, or anything, but I can see him viewing the compromise employed today more as "no Brexit negotiations completed", so that walking away without agreement would not be considered "no deal".
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,730
    But basically the government knows it doesn't have the numbers - which is massive.
  • charente addick
    charente addick Posts: 3,810
    Soft Brexit here we come.

    Well played Grieve, Soubry et al. Big concession by the government but no defeat in the vote (assuming that happens of course!).

    Look forward to the backlash from JRM and his mates.
  • Southbank
    Southbank Posts: 5,253
    charente addick said:

    Soft Brexit here we come.

    Well played Grieve, Soubry et al. Big concession by the government but no defeat in the vote (assuming that happens of course!).

    Look forward to the backlash from JRM and his mates.

    You guys are funny, did you ever think Remainer May would want Brexit? It is nothing to do with Soubry et al-it's what May and the Cabinet want.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    May says brexit means brexit.
  • Southbank
    Southbank Posts: 5,253
    seth plum said:

    May says brexit means brexit.

    Brexit means what she and the Remainer majority want it to mean-Remain under a slighhtly different hat.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,682
    seth plum said:

    May says brexit means brexit.

    May says a lot of things
    The trouble is she doesn't mean what she says.
    A very weak person.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,045
    edited June 2018
    Southbank said:

    seth plum said:

    May says brexit means brexit.

    Brexit means what she and the Remainer majority want it to mean-Remain under a slighhtly different hat.
    The "remainer majority" that were voted into parliament by their constituents...
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,150
    Grieve is on your heroes Ian Dale shortly. P
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  • Southbank
    Southbank Posts: 5,253
    se9addick said:

    Southbank said:

    seth plum said:

    May says brexit means brexit.

    Brexit means what she and the Remainer majority want it to mean-Remain under a slighhtly different hat.
    The "remainer majority" that were voted into parliament by their constituents...
    On pro Brexit manifestoes they are now reneging on.
  • randy andy
    randy andy Posts: 5,455
    Southbank said:

    se9addick said:

    Southbank said:

    seth plum said:

    May says brexit means brexit.

    Brexit means what she and the Remainer majority want it to mean-Remain under a slighhtly different hat.
    The "remainer majority" that were voted into parliament by their constituents...
    On pro Brexit manifestoes they are now reneging on.
    That's their job!

    If something is going to.damage the country they're not supposed to carry on regardless, they're supposed to act in the best interests of their constituents and the country as a whole. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,150
    randy andy said:

    Southbank said:

    se9addick said:

    Southbank said:

    seth plum said:

    May says brexit means brexit.

    Brexit means what she and the Remainer majority want it to mean-Remain under a slighhtly different hat.
    The "remainer majority" that were voted into parliament by their constituents...
    On pro Brexit manifestoes they are now reneging on.
    That's their job!

    If something is going to.damage the country they're not supposed to carry on regardless, they're supposed to act in the best interests of their constituents and the country as a whole. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?
    Why don't they do it after an election then.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,781
    Rothko said:

    This man is a patriot, not the likes of Rees Mogg and the scumbag right wing press





    Spineless.
  • Jensenwasclass
    Jensenwasclass Posts: 835
    Dennis Skinner has always voted for Brexit,
    one of the few Labour MPs with true principles!
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,730
    I have been fearful of a hard Brexit as a business owner. A soft one I can live with, as long as it is genuinely soft. I'm happy it looks like it will be! It is still Brexit, its just a Brexit most of the population prefer, if we are going to have a Brexit which it looks like we will!
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,029
    If this steers us away from the horror of a hard Brexit, then good. Forgive me for not celebrating too much though when I am about to give up rights and privileges just so some folk get their preferred shade of travel documents.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Southbank said:

    seth plum said:

    May says brexit means brexit.

    Brexit means what she and the Remainer majority want it to mean-Remain under a slighhtly different hat.
    How do you work that out?
    May says she is going to get a good deal, don't you believe her?
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    I went to the Lewisham East Hustings in Catford this evening, but the meeting was closed by the police after half an hour.
  • aliwibble
    aliwibble Posts: 26,299
    Why Seth, what happened?
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