The influence of the EU on Britain.

golfaddick said:

redman said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

428 pages on and it still boils down to the Brexiters wanting out of Europe because they hate the idea of anyone other than someone from Eton running the show. Hate the idea of being European and not English / British (delete as applicable). See the future through the prism of the 1950’s and would rather the economy flatlines than admit or even recognise that we will all be worse off for a very long time as a result. No amount of expert opinion or economic forecasts are going to make the slightest difference but fuck it. At least we have blue passports and anyway queuing is what the British do best. They won’t admit to this of course. They just re peddle the lies of taking back control and project fear and offer nothing constructive by way of a solution.

I haven't looked at this thread for a couple of months. Read just one comment (this comment) and remember why.
Just totally insulting and ignorant.
If I had a £ for every time somebody told me why I voted Brexit I would have bought Charlton by now with many million to spare to get us back to the premier!

Just seen there are over 100 posts since this one, but dont need to read anymore. This says it all for me. I hope we crash out without any deal just to annoy all those remainers who are so smug thinking they know best.

Couldn't give a toss anymore. TM will stitch us up. The EU will stich us up. Hope there is a GE & Corbyn gets in. Then you'll really have something to moan about & I'll come back & say......."your problem - you sort it"

seth plum said:

golfaddick said:

kentaddick said:

https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/status/1051366874250907653?s=21

Since when was it either noble or the “right” decision to continue to pursue a policy that will knowingly make everyone’s lives worse off in the name of a political ideology?

its not political fucking ideology its what the electorate voted for ffs !!

Leave means leave. not stay in some convoluted customs union or tied to the EU in any wsy shape or form.

I for 1 salute MP's like her. Prepared to stand up & be counted & not meekly agree with whatever shitfest TM concocts with the EU.

The other day the thing that you said threatened 'leave means leave' was the IRA, now you say it is whatever shitfest TM concocts with the EU. Are you now saying TM is a member of the IRA?

MuttleyCAFC said:

se9addick said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

I'm still waiting for a politician to give a clear definition of a Brexit strategy rather than a string of inane soundbites.

Nobody wants to take responsibility but everyone is happy to blame everyone else.

For those who voted for Brexit what did you expect to happen? Surely you expected sonebody to have a clue how to action this.

We had a referendum on leaving the EU not on the Brexit process itself which has rendered it all utterly pointless. Even now the Brexiteers in Parliament can't agree a coherent strategy at this late stage which shows what a farce it is.

The issue is with our inept political class.

Didn’t we have a refderendum in 2017 to decide on the Brexit strategy? That election went about as swimmingly as everything else has for the past 2 years if I remember rightly!

The election removed the power from May to do a deal. Simply, she agreed a deal a few months ago remember, which was stopped by the DUP. May would have been quite happy to sign up to the EU's suggestion of a different customs arrangement for Northern Ireland if she had the power at home to do so. We know this because she pretty much had agreed it. The governments position seems to be, we can't solve it so we would like a deal that gives us another couple of years to solve it. That is frankly ridiculous and I can't see the EU agreeing to it. The best they will give May is delaying the deadlines in the short term so this week no longer becomes a crunch week. Not sure what the point of that is though, as if there was a solution, somebody would have found it by now.

golfaddick said:

redman said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

428 pages on and it still boils down to the Brexiters wanting out of Europe because they hate the idea of anyone other than someone from Eton running the show. Hate the idea of being European and not English / British (delete as applicable). See the future through the prism of the 1950’s and would rather the economy flatlines than admit or even recognise that we will all be worse off for a very long time as a result. No amount of expert opinion or economic forecasts are going to make the slightest difference but fuck it. At least we have blue passports and anyway queuing is what the British do best. They won’t admit to this of course. They just re peddle the lies of taking back control and project fear and offer nothing constructive by way of a solution.

I haven't looked at this thread for a couple of months. Read just one comment (this comment) and remember why.
Just totally insulting and ignorant.
If I had a £ for every time somebody told me why I voted Brexit I would have bought Charlton by now with many million to spare to get us back to the premier!

Just seen there are over 100 posts since this one, but dont need to read anymore. This says it all for me. I hope we crash out without any deal just to annoy all those remainers who are so smug thinking they know best.

Couldn't give a toss anymore. TM will stitch us up. The EU will stich us up. Hope there is a GE & Corbyn gets in. Then you'll really have something to moan about & I'll come back & say......."your problem - you sort it"

golfaddick said:

redman said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

428 pages on and it still boils down to the Brexiters wanting out of Europe because they hate the idea of anyone other than someone from Eton running the show. Hate the idea of being European and not English / British (delete as applicable). See the future through the prism of the 1950’s and would rather the economy flatlines than admit or even recognise that we will all be worse off for a very long time as a result. No amount of expert opinion or economic forecasts are going to make the slightest difference but fuck it. At least we have blue passports and anyway queuing is what the British do best. They won’t admit to this of course. They just re peddle the lies of taking back control and project fear and offer nothing constructive by way of a solution.

I haven't looked at this thread for a couple of months. Read just one comment (this comment) and remember why.
Just totally insulting and ignorant.
If I had a £ for every time somebody told me why I voted Brexit I would have bought Charlton by now with many million to spare to get us back to the premier!

Just seen there are over 100 posts since this one, but dont need to read anymore. This says it all for me. I hope we crash out without any deal just to annoy all those remainers who are so smug thinking they know best.

Couldn't give a toss anymore. TM will stitch us up. The EU will stich us up. Hope there is a GE & Corbyn gets in. Then you'll really have something to moan about & I'll come back & say......."your problem - you sort it"

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

I'd love to hear what David Cameron thinks about his gutless decision to hold a referendum and then bail out when he didn't get the result he wanted. The man is an utter tool yet largely seems to have escaped criticism.

We have a divided country and a set of bickering politicians - nobody seems to be in control. The icing on the cake is Arlene Foster from the DUP trying to hold the country to ransom.

se9addick said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

se9addick said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

I'm still waiting for a politician to give a clear definition of a Brexit strategy rather than a string of inane soundbites.

Nobody wants to take responsibility but everyone is happy to blame everyone else.

For those who voted for Brexit what did you expect to happen? Surely you expected sonebody to have a clue how to action this.

We had a referendum on leaving the EU not on the Brexit process itself which has rendered it all utterly pointless. Even now the Brexiteers in Parliament can't agree a coherent strategy at this late stage which shows what a farce it is.

The issue is with our inept political class.

Didn’t we have a refderendum in 2017 to decide on the Brexit strategy? That election went about as swimmingly as everything else has for the past 2 years if I remember rightly!

The election removed the power from May to do a deal. Simply, she agreed a deal a few months ago remember, which was stopped by the DUP. May would have been quite happy to sign up to the EU's suggestion of a different customs arrangement for Northern Ireland if she had the power at home to do so. We know this because she pretty much had agreed it. The governments position seems to be, we can't solve it so we would like a deal that gives us another couple of years to solve it. That is frankly ridiculous and I can't see the EU agreeing to it. The best they will give May is delaying the deadlines in the short term so this week no longer becomes a crunch week. Not sure what the point of that is though, as if there was a solution, somebody would have found it by now.

Bizarrely perhaps, I actually agree that NI shouldn’t have a different customs, trading and markets arrangement from the rest of the UK - unlike the DUP, however, I believe that principle should also extend to civil rights.

To me the answer is that the whole of the U.K. remains in the customs union until we find a solution that avoids a visible, hard border and we come to an agreement on our future relationship with the EU that will wreak significantly less havoc on our economy than no deal. I don’t even really understand why that’s particularly controversial.

MuttleyCAFC said:

se9addick said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

se9addick said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

I'm still waiting for a politician to give a clear definition of a Brexit strategy rather than a string of inane soundbites.

Nobody wants to take responsibility but everyone is happy to blame everyone else.

For those who voted for Brexit what did you expect to happen? Surely you expected sonebody to have a clue how to action this.

We had a referendum on leaving the EU not on the Brexit process itself which has rendered it all utterly pointless. Even now the Brexiteers in Parliament can't agree a coherent strategy at this late stage which shows what a farce it is.

The issue is with our inept political class.

Didn’t we have a refderendum in 2017 to decide on the Brexit strategy? That election went about as swimmingly as everything else has for the past 2 years if I remember rightly!

The election removed the power from May to do a deal. Simply, she agreed a deal a few months ago remember, which was stopped by the DUP. May would have been quite happy to sign up to the EU's suggestion of a different customs arrangement for Northern Ireland if she had the power at home to do so. We know this because she pretty much had agreed it. The governments position seems to be, we can't solve it so we would like a deal that gives us another couple of years to solve it. That is frankly ridiculous and I can't see the EU agreeing to it. The best they will give May is delaying the deadlines in the short term so this week no longer becomes a crunch week. Not sure what the point of that is though, as if there was a solution, somebody would have found it by now.

Bizarrely perhaps, I actually agree that NI shouldn’t have a different customs, trading and markets arrangement from the rest of the UK - unlike the DUP, however, I believe that principle should also extend to civil rights.

To me the answer is that the whole of the U.K. remains in the customs union until we find a solution that avoids a visible, hard border and we come to an agreement on our future relationship with the EU that will wreak significantly less havoc on our economy than no deal. I don’t even really understand why that’s particularly controversial.

Because you don't know when that will be. It could be never. How do you get that past a hard Brexiter?

MuttleyCAFC said:

se9addick said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

se9addick said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

se9addick said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

I'm still waiting for a politician to give a clear definition of a Brexit strategy rather than a string of inane soundbites.

Nobody wants to take responsibility but everyone is happy to blame everyone else.

For those who voted for Brexit what did you expect to happen? Surely you expected sonebody to have a clue how to action this.

We had a referendum on leaving the EU not on the Brexit process itself which has rendered it all utterly pointless. Even now the Brexiteers in Parliament can't agree a coherent strategy at this late stage which shows what a farce it is.

The issue is with our inept political class.

Didn’t we have a refderendum in 2017 to decide on the Brexit strategy? That election went about as swimmingly as everything else has for the past 2 years if I remember rightly!

The election removed the power from May to do a deal. Simply, she agreed a deal a few months ago remember, which was stopped by the DUP. May would have been quite happy to sign up to the EU's suggestion of a different customs arrangement for Northern Ireland if she had the power at home to do so. We know this because she pretty much had agreed it. The governments position seems to be, we can't solve it so we would like a deal that gives us another couple of years to solve it. That is frankly ridiculous and I can't see the EU agreeing to it. The best they will give May is delaying the deadlines in the short term so this week no longer becomes a crunch week. Not sure what the point of that is though, as if there was a solution, somebody would have found it by now.

Bizarrely perhaps, I actually agree that NI shouldn’t have a different customs, trading and markets arrangement from the rest of the UK - unlike the DUP, however, I believe that principle should also extend to civil rights.

To me the answer is that the whole of the U.K. remains in the customs union until we find a solution that avoids a visible, hard border and we come to an agreement on our future relationship with the EU that will wreak significantly less havoc on our economy than no deal. I don’t even really understand why that’s particularly controversial.

Because you don't know when that will be. It could be never. How do you get that past a hard Brexiter?

I don’t though, do I? That’s not how democracy is supposed to work, I don’t have to find a solution that keeps everyone happy.

But you do if they can scupper what you plan to do. If you put it to a hard Brexiter - who are they representing, they will say 17 million voters. It is ridiculous but we are seeing it daily!

se9addick said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

But you are not Theresa May. She has to bother.

She really doesn’t. I think the truly hardcore, Mogg type, Brexiteers are a noisy minority in her party and in the House. Trying to be all things to all people has been one of May’s real fatal flaws. Time to put something on the table that says we will leave the EU in March but remain in the customs union and single market during the “implementation period” which, if we don’t have a solution after the implementation period, then we stay in both until a solution is found and dare the House to vote it down in favour of a no deal alternative.