The influence of the EU on Britain.

A-R-T-H-U-R said:

I marched in 2003 in the largest anti war march in history. Well over 6 million in Europe joined me, which was nice.
But futile.

You were on the right side of history. At least you got off your arse and did something

golfaddick said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

It is pathetic that May is trying to sort out solutions to real problems and seemingly the one positive thing - from her perspective - she got from the meeting i.e. more time to sort out the backstop issue and she has to play it down as it was only a couple of months that we are very unlikely to require. We were told by the EU it was potentially another year FFS! What sort of crap is going on here? If she has to tread on eggshells with her own party we need to try to find a way to give the negotiators some power - that can be by having a clear mandate following a second vote or an election. May weakly stumbling from one internal crisis to another is damaging the country and any deal she gets will be rejected.

If we do have brexit and it turns out only half as bad as predicted - the conservative party will be unelectable for decades. That doesn't make me happy as I have no great desire to live in a poorer country.

I'm still waiting for an ardent Brexiteer on here to explain who should be leading the negotiations?

Jacob Rees-Mog

Please tell me you don’t actually think that ?

golfaddick said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

It is pathetic that May is trying to sort out solutions to real problems and seemingly the one positive thing - from her perspective - she got from the meeting i.e. more time to sort out the backstop issue and she has to play it down as it was only a couple of months that we are very unlikely to require. We were told by the EU it was potentially another year FFS! What sort of crap is going on here? If she has to tread on eggshells with her own party we need to try to find a way to give the negotiators some power - that can be by having a clear mandate following a second vote or an election. May weakly stumbling from one internal crisis to another is damaging the country and any deal she gets will be rejected.

If we do have brexit and it turns out only half as bad as predicted - the conservative party will be unelectable for decades. That doesn't make me happy as I have no great desire to live in a poorer country.

I'm still waiting for an ardent Brexiteer on here to explain who should be leading the negotiations?

Jacob Rees-Mog

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

I look forward to JRM as PM as he has all the qualities needed:

He speaks slowly
He wears a double breasted suit
He has a large private income and understands hedge funds
He doesn't raise his voice
He understands Latin
He takes good care of his nanny
He doesn't have self doubt
He gives his children obscure names
He has strong religious beliefs

You forgot Eton educated.

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

I look forward to JRM as PM as he has all the qualities needed:

He speaks slowly
He wears a double breasted suit
He has a large private income and understands hedge funds
He doesn't raise his voice
He understands Latin
He takes good care of his nanny
He doesn't have self doubt
He gives his children obscure names
He has strong religious beliefs

You forgot Eton educated.

Sorry.

I thought it was implied

golfaddick said:

Oh.......and Macron got my goat earlier saying that the problem was now a political one ( re TM & her Government)....

no it isn't you french numpty !! Its because years of fighting between 2 sides of Ireland were solved by the GFA......and that Treaty said somthing along the lines of there shouldnt be a border between the 2 countries.

blame Tony Blair.

Just to remind you that the fighting was not between the two sides of Ireland. It was between two communities within Northern Ireland, a part of the United Kindom. The PIRA, UVF etc were made up of citizens of the United Kingdom (there were probably a minority of Irish born citizens in the PIRA but the vast majority were British citizens).

MuttleyCAFC said:

What is noticeable is that the solutions hard Brexiters give to serious issues are the sort of solutions my mum's cleaner gives. Just get on with it, it will sort itself out! And if there are easy solutions that will be solved by getting on with it, the government won't need any extensions. So Rees Mogg and his cronies opposing something that if they are right shouldn't be needed are admitting it isn't easy in an indirect way! That's the closest you will get from those absolute clowns.

Is your mum's cleaner Nadine Dorries?

golfaddick said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

I look forward to JRM as PM as he has all the qualities needed:

He speaks slowly
He wears a double breasted suit
He has a large private income and understands hedge funds
He doesn't raise his voice
He understands Latin
He takes good care of his nanny
He doesn't have self doubt
He gives his children obscure names
He has strong religious beliefs

You forgot Eton educated.

sorry, I forgot you're not allowed to be "educated" anymore. Fwiw I know JRM will never be PM because of the way he speaks so its all academic (see what I did there) anyway.

Katie Price for PM !!!

Fully support the idea that Prime Ministers should be educated. What’s not sitting with me comfortably though is the fact that Eton College is one school in the UK and yet it is disproportionately represented in the House of Commons on the front benches and out of a total of 54 Prime Ministers the staggering figure of 19 were educated at Eton.

Now that’s quite some coincidence or something else is working here.

I will also add that I do worry that too many people equate speaking with a plummy accent as being a sign of intelligence. But the British do still like in the main to doff our caps.

golfaddick said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

I look forward to JRM as PM as he has all the qualities needed:

He speaks slowly
He wears a double breasted suit
He has a large private income and understands hedge funds
He doesn't raise his voice
He understands Latin
He takes good care of his nanny
He doesn't have self doubt
He gives his children obscure names
He has strong religious beliefs

You forgot Eton educated.

sorry, I forgot you're not allowed to be "educated" anymore. Fwiw I know JRM will never be PM because of the way he speaks so its all academic (see what I did there) anyway.

Katie Price for PM !!!

Are you saying we've never had a PM with a posh voice? Alec Douglas-Home (a member of the aristocracy), Anthony Eden (a member of the aristocracy) - both in my lifetime (Eden just!) and both Old Etonians.

The so-called 'elite' will always run the country - twas ever thus, despite the hopes that leavers had of the little man taking back control.

Good news, but the UK could do all of this within the EU could not not? Certainly agree we need to become an "export driven economy" I know there are attempts to fix this with lots of Innovate UK funding... But stuffing up the automotive industry by leaving the Customs Union isn't going to help.

Stu_of_Kunming said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

golfaddick said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

I look forward to JRM as PM as he has all the qualities needed:

He speaks slowly
He wears a double breasted suit
He has a large private income and understands hedge funds
He doesn't raise his voice
He understands Latin
He takes good care of his nanny
He doesn't have self doubt
He gives his children obscure names
He has strong religious beliefs

You forgot Eton educated.

sorry, I forgot you're not allowed to be "educated" anymore. Fwiw I know JRM will never be PM because of the way he speaks so its all academic (see what I did there) anyway.

Katie Price for PM !!!

Fully support the idea that Prime Ministers should be educated. What’s not sitting with me comfortably though is the fact that Eton College is one school in the UK and yet it is disproportionately represented in the House of Commons on the front benches and out of a total of 54 Prime Ministers the staggering figure of 19 were educated at Eton.

Now that’s quite some coincidence or something else is working here.

I will also add that I do worry that too many people equate speaking with a plummy accent as being a sign of intelligence. But the British do still like in the main to doff our caps.

Top positions being filled from The best schools seems reasonable to me.

You might imagine that such selection would lead to the best quality applicants. Take a look at our 'top' politicians; it doesn't seem to be working.